AI Article Penalty Speed Run Case study 4000 posts

Very interesting case study

Good Luck with banking $$$$$
Thanks for the encouragement!!!



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just update



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This new traffic level has held for 3 days straight, each dat beating the last as highest day.

I cant keep up with updating the articles as fast right now as I find way more are gaining traffic vs the time I need to update them. The recent ones to starting bringing traffic havent been spreading out into clear winners like normal, so its like having 20 articles with 20 pageviews vs 2 articles jumping on the set with hundreds.
I also spent all day yesterday basically launching a new AI site
since I feel like 10 k articles on this one is already pushing it but I want to test more things. I was going to start it on an expired but couldnt find any that fit all my wants, so just doing the test on a fresh domain to see if I can see any results.

I really wanted to test AI in a niche ive always slightly been interesting in seeing if I can crack it, but never attempted since I avoid competition. However, since AI lets you build so much content so fast, I actually want to give it a crack to see if ill actually get even the slightest bit of traffic in this ymyl deal.

Ill just say the niche of the new site is Finance, since that is so broad, me revealing that much doesnt really matter.

Just like the gardening niche so much of the terms have been ranked to hell by authority sites but im gonna try anyways, the content is cheap so I only have domain cost etc to worry about.

Im gonna test if I can article blast it and get away with it like with this site.

Given I see my competitors who use AI on brand new domains falling off the edge of the world, id wonder what would possess me to do this but I'm gonna see what I can get away with.


I will write 20-30 articles, then try to get AdSense on the site. After I get AdSense on I will get Ezoic on. Assuming those 2 steps go by without much issues I will then begin pumping out content, however I'm gonna start at 50 a day. Im gonna use my own websites to temporarily promote the site and give it some links, I don't care what people say about this part, I've always had success doing that. Heck, if Investopedia, the balance, spruce etc and all those other big sites get away with linking to boost their new sites out of the sandbox then I'm gonna keep doing it myself.

If 50 a day is being indexed at a reasonable rate then I'm going to increase it.

For the start I'm going to see if I can go that far and avoid linking this side to it for any reason because I still don't understand how google snippet ban works and I don't really want my only affected site touching this new one and potentially making it a target algorithmically if I don't need to.


Im not sure anyone will be interested in watching that brand-new site so ill not really be reporting on how things are going with it if nobody wants to know.
 
Im not sure anyone will be interested in watching that brand-new site so ill not really be reporting on how things are going with it if nobody wants to know.
Of course we want to know LOL. Feedback like this is really valuable to the community and it's likely that more members here, interested in running an AI site, may be starting with a new domain rather than one already established (excluding expired domains for the moment). You've been very generous with your findings and I know it's been appreciated by many. So expanding your findings to include new domains gives a much more rounded picture.
 
I really think the secret to success with AI articles is to have aged content that is hand written. So start your site now with some handwritten stuff, let it sit for a while to age, then add AI articles. My successful AI site started 5 years ago with all handwritten stuff, and my AI stuff ranks fast and well and hasn't gone down. I started with AI content 2 years ago, too, so I know it won't suddenly collapse on me unless Google gets stupid aggressive.

You might want to buy a small aged domain to start your finance niche.
 
Amazing results. I think a new domain would be an interesting experiment. Also, any new ideas or insights about what is effective in terms of keyword research?
 
I really wanted to test AI in a niche ive always slightly been interesting in seeing if I can crack it, but never attempted since I avoid competition. However, since AI lets you build so much content so fast, I actually want to give it a crack to see if ill actually get even the slightest bit of traffic in this ymyl deal.
I love it! It's great to see people doing their own tests and not listening to all the naysayers out there. You never really know unless you try.
 
Thanks for the encouragement!!!



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just update



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This new traffic level has held for 3 days straight, each dat beating the last as highest day.

I cant keep up with updating the articles as fast right now as I find way more are gaining traffic vs the time I need to update them. The recent ones to starting bringing traffic havent been spreading out into clear winners like normal, so its like having 20 articles with 20 pageviews vs 2 articles jumping on the set with hundreds.
I also spent all day yesterday basically launching a new AI site
since I feel like 10 k articles on this one is already pushing it but I want to test more things. I was going to start it on an expired but couldnt find any that fit all my wants, so just doing the test on a fresh domain to see if I can see any results.

I really wanted to test AI in a niche ive always slightly been interesting in seeing if I can crack it, but never attempted since I avoid competition. However, since AI lets you build so much content so fast, I actually want to give it a crack to see if ill actually get even the slightest bit of traffic in this ymyl deal.

Ill just say the niche of the new site is Finance, since that is so broad, me revealing that much doesnt really matter.

Just like the gardening niche so much of the terms have been ranked to hell by authority sites but im gonna try anyways, the content is cheap so I only have domain cost etc to worry about.

Im gonna test if I can article blast it and get away with it like with this site.

Given I see my competitors who use AI on brand new domains falling off the edge of the world, id wonder what would possess me to do this but I'm gonna see what I can get away with.


I will write 20-30 articles, then try to get AdSense on the site. After I get AdSense on I will get Ezoic on. Assuming those 2 steps go by without much issues I will then begin pumping out content, however I'm gonna start at 50 a day. Im gonna use my own websites to temporarily promote the site and give it some links, I don't care what people say about this part, I've always had success doing that. Heck, if Investopedia, the balance, spruce etc and all those other big sites get away with linking to boost their new sites out of the sandbox then I'm gonna keep doing it myself.

If 50 a day is being indexed at a reasonable rate then I'm going to increase it.

For the start I'm going to see if I can go that far and avoid linking this side to it for any reason because I still don't understand how google snippet ban works and I don't really want my only affected site touching this new one and potentially making it a target algorithmically if I don't need to.


Im not sure anyone will be interested in watching that brand-new site so ill not really be reporting on how things are going with it if nobody wants to know.

i think the hard step here is to get approved from ezoic;
 
Hello @Jaordas tell me more about your experience with ezioc, I recently started integration with my money site but I am scared about finishing it I don't want problems
 
Updates:

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This week was a 60% increase over last week, a massive jump compared to gaining 10-20% a week like before

Month over month the website has practically doubled in pvs
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Keeping it sort, have only updated 5 more articles to human written, ive been spending most of my time setting up and making the new website look "decent" or "human" if you will. As I need to get it onto networks before I got hard on it.
I have a little backlog of posts to update but im the bottle next there since I do the final edits and optimization before posting.

Of course we want to know LOL. Feedback like this is really valuable to the community and it's likely that more members here, interested in running an AI site, may be starting with a new domain rather than one already established (excluding expired domains for the moment). You've been very generous with your findings and I know it's been appreciated by many. So expanding your findings to include new domains gives a much more rounded picture.
Thanks lol, I sorta started this off as a joke but seeing how interested people are in this, and the results it is producing in the short term is rewarding, I do think most people might be better able to use information from a fresh domain case study.
I really think the secret to success with AI articles is to have aged content that is hand written. So start your site now with some handwritten stuff, let it sit for a while to age, then add AI articles. My successful AI site started 5 years ago with all handwritten stuff, and my AI stuff ranks fast and well and hasn't gone down. I started with AI content 2 years ago, too, so I know it won't suddenly collapse on me unless Google gets stupid aggressive.

You might want to buy a small aged domain to start your finance niche.
I agree with your idea, however that is basically what my current case study is, since this domain you see results for is old, filled with human content, etc etc. AI was only added for the first time last month.
I want to test the waters with a new site, I also want to be reasonably aggressive for the sake of seeing what happens. I do not depend on either of these sites for income since I have actual main websites so I hopefully want to stress test the system a little.
Amazing results. I think a new domain would be an interesting experiment. Also, any new ideas or insights about what is effective in terms of keyword research?
Thanks, It will be interesting to see if it instantly flops or if I can get it to get any traction. I don't really have new keyword research insights, once you find a way that works for you, you stick with it. 2 years ago I was changing method every week but now I just do the same exact things over and over and don't try to complicate it. Ive explained my basics here already but a tldr is just looking at competitors, collecting topics and keywords into your hit list then doing them all one by one. You basically do keyword research once to last you weeks to months.
AI site keyword research is slightly different just because of the volume, hence just grab a ton and filter them. I have higher-powered websites so I usually don't even think about "can I rank for this?" when I'm picking topics and keywords anymore. If Wikipedia isn't at the top, and it isn't branded, etc etc then I usually have no reason not to write an article or have it written for me.
I love it! It's great to see people doing their own tests and not listening to all the naysayers out there. You never really know unless you try.
That is so true, if it wasn't for the few successes I've seen either I might not have even started but I choose to do my own test. I at least want to see how this is gonna work on a brand now domain in a hard niche.
hopefully in a month or so id have something to show you guys about it
i think the hard step here is to get approved from ezoic;
I don't agree, I've never had a single website denied from them, I also already have an account with them, as long as my site doesn't look like trash or clearly spam, I see no reason why I cant get it onto ezoic. Have they been having massive crackdowns on AI sites that I'm unaware of? it seems like every other week they are putting out content on how to use chat gpt in your business
Hello @Jaordas tell me more about your experience with ezioc, I recently started integration with my money site but I am scared about finishing it I don't want problems

Only speaking from my personal, keep in mind I try my best to NEVER interact with the people feeding me as to not create issues for myself, so I don't have much communication with them, all they are to me, is a network that I use which pays way more than adsense, and has outperformed mediavine etc on MY websites, I cant speak for other people and I do have little issues but so does every other network.

good:
raised my earnings
lots of data given to you about your earnings that others don't give
has free cdn (its been great as far as I've used it, better than any other I've used in fact, given I don't like changing products often cus its a hassle)
has mediation so you are still technically using adsense and ezoic at the same time, 0 reason to not use ezoic if you were just on adsense IMO.
Like here on a small site I have on it you can see they will break it down between what is adsense, premium and normal ezoic, your adsense will be paid to you by your actual adsense account.
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premium you need to pay for but it has always earned me more money than it costs.
If you are coming from a different ad service and your website is decently big, you can arrange with them if they think they can earn you more and potentially have some of your earnings protected if you dont make at the very least, similar income to when you were with the last service. Last I remember this is something you need to arrange I dont think they just give this to everybody.

when you are at a certian level of earnings and traffic you get a person assigned to your account that helps you out with things, place holders etc.


Bad:
My first set up took long but only really cus I didnt know what the heck I was doing, and when your website is small, you can get it onto ezioc but the less traffic and earnings you have is the less help you get from them, basically, they treat you better the more you earn, this is not a problem for me, it just means I needed to learn how to set it up myself years back.

Bugs (this is kinda unfair cus all ad services ive been with have bugs) but my god ive never went a week without seeing bugs. I have never had a bug affect income but ive seen people have issues before. I think that is in the minority tho. Sometimes I just plain out cant get their analytics to work or work on larger time frames, so I have the habit of exporting all my data whenever I do get it to work. Sometimes the site will be telling you that you dont have something enabled................ but when you go to enable it........... it was already on. But as I said, its not like other ad services dont have the same issues for me.
Setting up placeholders is sometimes buggy aswell, I suggest you read a lot about how the placeholders work so you can set them up right the first time and never need to do it again.


Ive seen them do false acceptances........ by that I mean, they accept you out right (like someone didnt look at your site properly) and you think you are all good and clear with your morally questionable site on it, but then out of the blue if anyone sees and realises your site is against their allowed things then they will just axe you immediately. So dont have some crazy spammy site, put it on there and think you are 100% in the clear cus they accepted you.

Like legit ive seen dudes go to support to ask a question, then since support has to check their site they realize it is a site that is not even supposed to be allowed on the platform, then they instantly axe you. This is why I tell people dont be careless with the hands that are feeding you, the less you need to interact with some companies os the better.
If you arent doing anything shady you are fine.

All that beings said, do I reccomend them? totally, they feed me so as long as they feed me and provide the products they offer I think they are fine.
 
You should be posting GSC data as well as it is more accurate data for your experiment. Non filtered page views from GA isn't very good metric to be tracking in general.
 
You should be posting GSC data as well as it is more accurate data for your experiment. Non filtered page views from GA isn't very good metric to be tracking in general.
Analytics is more useful to me as I get paid by pageviews, no just the basic views, it also doesn't count bing and other search that does provide traffic to me, in fact bing is currently having the biggest traffic gains over google. But here.
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Analytics is more useful to me as I get paid by pageviews, no just the basic views, it also doesn't count bing and other search that does provide traffic to me, in fact bing is currently having the biggest traffic gains over google. But here.
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A lot of page views could be bots from direct traffic which is irrelevant to the experiment. For this experiment your looking for organic traffic to the newly posted articles. No worries if you don't want to add GSC but it's hard to trust the integrity of this experiment without it. This is more of a "my journey" thread it seems.
 
A lot of page views could be bots from direct traffic which is irrelevant to the experiment. For this experiment your looking for organic traffic to the newly posted articles. No worries if you don't want to add GSC but it's hard to trust the integrity of this experiment without it. This is more of a "my journey" thread it seems.
I am not monetizing the site im just saying that as others things are going on on the site as interlinking etc, I was just thinking pageviews are a decent way to show the bigger picture. I have no problem posting gsc, hence, I posted it. I thought about moving this to journey but like.... for what? to report revenue =0$ every month lol.

but at the same time maybe its better to put there as this has gotten longer than I expected it. Was sorta expecting myself to forget about it in a week.
 
Updates:

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This week was a 60% increase over last week, a massive jump compared to gaining 10-20% a week like before

Month over month the website has practically doubled in pvs
View attachment 246380

Keeping it sort, have only updated 5 more articles to human written, ive been spending most of my time setting up and making the new website look "decent" or "human" if you will. As I need to get it onto networks before I got hard on it.
I have a little backlog of posts to update but im the bottle next there since I do the final edits and optimization before posting.


Thanks lol, I sorta started this off as a joke but seeing how interested people are in this, and the results it is producing in the short term is rewarding, I do think most people might be better able to use information from a fresh domain case study.

I agree with your idea, however that is basically what my current case study is, since this domain you see results for is old, filled with human content, etc etc. AI was only added for the first time last month.
I want to test the waters with a new site, I also want to be reasonably aggressive for the sake of seeing what happens. I do not depend on either of these sites for income since I have actual main websites so I hopefully want to stress test the system a little.

Thanks, It will be interesting to see if it instantly flops or if I can get it to get any traction. I don't really have new keyword research insights, once you find a way that works for you, you stick with it. 2 years ago I was changing method every week but now I just do the same exact things over and over and don't try to complicate it. Ive explained my basics here already but a tldr is just looking at competitors, collecting topics and keywords into your hit list then doing them all one by one. You basically do keyword research once to last you weeks to months.
AI site keyword research is slightly different just because of the volume, hence just grab a ton and filter them. I have higher-powered websites so I usually don't even think about "can I rank for this?" when I'm picking topics and keywords anymore. If Wikipedia isn't at the top, and it isn't branded, etc etc then I usually have no reason not to write an article or have it written for me.

That is so true, if it wasn't for the few successes I've seen either I might not have even started but I choose to do my own test. I at least want to see how this is gonna work on a brand now domain in a hard niche.

hopefully in a month or so id have something to show you guys about it

I don't agree, I've never had a single website denied from them, I also already have an account with them, as long as my site doesn't look like trash or clearly spam, I see no reason why I cant get it onto ezoic. Have they been having massive crackdowns on AI sites that I'm unaware of? it seems like every other week they are putting out content on how to use chat gpt in your business


Only speaking from my personal, keep in mind I try my best to NEVER interact with the people feeding me as to not create issues for myself, so I don't have much communication with them, all they are to me, is a network that I use which pays way more than adsense, and has outperformed mediavine etc on MY websites, I cant speak for other people and I do have little issues but so does every other network.

good:
raised my earnings
lots of data given to you about your earnings that others don't give
has free cdn (its been great as far as I've used it, better than any other I've used in fact, given I don't like changing products often cus its a hassle)
has mediation so you are still technically using adsense and ezoic at the same time, 0 reason to not use ezoic if you were just on adsense IMO.
Like here on a small site I have on it you can see they will break it down between what is adsense, premium and normal ezoic, your adsense will be paid to you by your actual adsense account.
View attachment 246384
premium you need to pay for but it has always earned me more money than it costs.
If you are coming from a different ad service and your website is decently big, you can arrange with them if they think they can earn you more and potentially have some of your earnings protected if you dont make at the very least, similar income to when you were with the last service. Last I remember this is something you need to arrange I dont think they just give this to everybody.

when you are at a certian level of earnings and traffic you get a person assigned to your account that helps you out with things, place holders etc.


Bad:
My first set up took long but only really cus I didnt know what the heck I was doing, and when your website is small, you can get it onto ezioc but the less traffic and earnings you have is the less help you get from them, basically, they treat you better the more you earn, this is not a problem for me, it just means I needed to learn how to set it up myself years back.

Bugs (this is kinda unfair cus all ad services ive been with have bugs) but my god ive never went a week without seeing bugs. I have never had a bug affect income but ive seen people have issues before. I think that is in the minority tho. Sometimes I just plain out cant get their analytics to work or work on larger time frames, so I have the habit of exporting all my data whenever I do get it to work. Sometimes the site will be telling you that you dont have something enabled................ but when you go to enable it........... it was already on. But as I said, its not like other ad services dont have the same issues for me.
Setting up placeholders is sometimes buggy aswell, I suggest you read a lot about how the placeholders work so you can set them up right the first time and never need to do it again.


Ive seen them do false acceptances........ by that I mean, they accept you out right (like someone didnt look at your site properly) and you think you are all good and clear with your morally questionable site on it, but then out of the blue if anyone sees and realises your site is against their allowed things then they will just axe you immediately. So dont have some crazy spammy site, put it on there and think you are 100% in the clear cus they accepted you.

Like legit ive seen dudes go to support to ask a question, then since support has to check their site they realize it is a site that is not even supposed to be allowed on the platform, then they instantly axe you. This is why I tell people dont be careless with the hands that are feeding you, the less you need to interact with some companies os the better.
If you arent doing anything shady you are fine.

All that beings said, do I reccomend them? totally, they feed me so as long as they feed me and provide the products they offer I think they are fine.
Thanks a lot for the extensive reply.
 
Since the site's traffic has decreased, it appears that they are attempting to sell it. Where is the site listed for sale?
Yes, of course.
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I have nothing to do with this site. I just saw it in the newsletter. By the way, on this site almost all sites are like this... You can analyze it yourself.
This leads to the idea that we have to follow some rules:
1) You should not make content only for RAA queries, you should also add some semantics...
2) Do not upload 500 articles in one day. Make a distribution.
 
Yes, of course.
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I have nothing to do with this site. I just saw it in the newsletter. By the way, on this site almost all sites are like this... You can analyze it yourself.
This leads to the idea that we have to follow some rules:
1) You should not make content only for RAA queries, you should also add some semantics...
2) Do not upload 500 articles in one day. Make a distribution.
You said this: "2) Do not upload 500 articles in one day. Make a distribution." What if you have 1 million articles? What will stop you from uploading 2,000 articles daily?
 
You said this: "2) Do not upload 500 articles in one day. Make a distribution." What if you have 1 million articles? What will stop you from uploading 2,000 articles daily?
I wonder what Google will say to such volumes of text? I don't know. I have to try it. I always try to be natural.

If not a secret, where did you get so many articles? That's amazing.
 
I wonder what Google will say to such volumes of text? I don't know. I have to try it. I always try to be natural.

If not a secret, where did you get so many articles? That's amazing.
The mighty Google has left bloggers in a state of bewilderment by failing to provide a specific recommendation on the number of blog posts to publish daily. One must delve into the murky depths of their website's needs and objectives, as well as the elusive tastes of their readers, to determine the optimal frequency of new blog post publication.

Nevertheless, a general recommendation has been unearthed: quality over quantity. It appears that one should prioritize the creation of high-quality, informative, and captivating content, brimming with value for the audience. A surplus of mediocre content may prove less beneficial than a dearth of top-notch pieces.

Maintaining a uniform publishing schedule that appeals to both website and audience is also essential. Some websites may discover that releasing one post weekly is sufficient, while others may feel the need to bombard readers with numerous posts per day. The murky waters of content creation can be quite the quagmire!

In the end, the objective is to produce blog posts that satisfy the cravings of the target audience and remain sustainable for content creators. One must find the perfect balance between frequency and quality to satisfy both parties. Oh, what a puzzling and tumultuous journey it can be!
 
It baffles me this is being discussed here in the light it is when part of the whole point of this post is that ive legit published thousands in a single day. In fact, even on my main site with no AI I've gone as high as having 500 published in a day a long while back, given those were basically youtube video transcripts, I cant say it did anything negative to them at all.
I don't think its healthy to just assume velocity was the single factor that killed the sight, its not like its backlinks are pretty or anything like that.
 
It baffles me this is being discussed here in the light it is when part of the whole point of this post is that ive legit published thousands in a single day. In fact, even on my main site with no AI I've gone as high as having 500 published in a day a long while back, given those were basically youtube video transcripts, I cant say it did anything negative to them at all.
I don't think its healthy to just assume velocity was the single factor that killed the sight, its not like its backlinks are pretty or anything like that.
How is the new website coming along? The number of posts to date?
 
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