Advice needed on Stealth Paypal setup

I have tried Paypal earlier but I have had my $500 stuck in Paypal earlier. So this time, I did some research and put in efforts to create a stealth Paypal.

Please advice me on how this could be improved. Here's my setup which I have planned out by now:

Qubes OS with windows VM (by elliottkillick on github) and separate Proxy VM(with secure core ProtonVPN) for high anonymity.

Arranged for all kinds of docs required ever by PP (photo and physical ones too)

Non-voip number on long term rental by sms.red or phoneblur or others.

Arranged for a good VBA and VCC (creating them myself for better long term solution)

Ways to withdraw the money to Crypto

Antileak browser. (using incogniton for now but there are many options which I may try to)

Authy for 2FA of Paypal

Basic Warmup of accounts with low amounts

I shall not use these accounts to integrate with the website directly. Will use the Paypal hosted checkout pages and stripe checkout and use the webhook to initiate the checkout process and product delivery externally. This way my domain does't gets on their radar for being used by multiple stealth accounts

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I'm lil stuck with finding a good quality static residential proxy. Any suggestions on this?

Last time I tried 911 and vip72 proxies and it took me a while to realize they weren't a good solution for paypal longterm.

I have researched on few like abm.net (Seems good but they are down temporarily). Blazingseo has strict usage policies. There are many in the marketplace but I am able to find only rotational / session / sticky proxies there mostly.

Found proxy-cheap to be a good alternative for now but haven't tried it (maybe lil strict usage policy for PP. I should ask them maybe)

I have seen some people mentioning that Residential RDP is being detected too by Paypal (as they scan for open port numbers for any RDP or similar services).

Plus I'm lil concerned with having my paypal and stripe used in a different company's RDP since the RDP owners can access it too. Sure, I can have it in an encrypted sandbox kind of application but I would prefer to have it on my secure PC.

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Any suggestions on how I can improve my setup?

and please suggest me on which proxy can I use for the setup of stealth PP (Stripe and VBA too)

P.S. I know that no matter what I do, my accounts on Paypal and Stripe may go down someday. I just want a solution that will last as long as it can.

What email addresses are you using for these services? Are they the same? Is it Gmail?

bladee4r said:

What email addresses are you using for these services? Are they the same? Is it Gmail?

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Planning to use self-created gmail for these and using same email

Seth Harris said:

Planning to use self-created gmail for these and using same email

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I would opt for protonmail tbh. Gmail will store everything about the site and track you across it. They will match times of when you receive a message from one service and it goes to the other email too. Or maybe this is my paranoia.

bladee4r said:

I would opt for protonmail tbh. Gmail will store everything about the site and track you across it. They will match times of when you receive a message from one service and it goes to the other email too. Or maybe this is my paranoia.

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The thing is I am anyways creating this fresh gmail on a separate Qubes VM which will be used only for Paypal and similar purpose and using the proxy. So it doesn't matter if they track anything up there.

and I think gmail would be much better than protonmail to use with PP,VBA and stripe.

Any advice on the proxy for it?

Seth Harris said:

The thing is I am anyways creating this fresh gmail on a separate Qubes VM which will be used only for Paypal and similar purpose and using the proxy. So it doesn't matter if they track anything up there.

and I think gmail would be much better than protonmail to use with PP,VBA and stripe.

Any advice on the proxy for it?

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Oh, didn't make that connection. Yeah that should be fine then actually.
Are you using different account/number/service for different VMs?
So, you are trying to have a different IP for each container right? Have you thought of purcahsing OVPN subscription for each service, I feel like that would be the best idea but maybe very expensive. This guarantees uptime and places the hands of your proxy in a more reliable hand than a residential proxy dealer which are usually shady. Also they could be logging your info. However I do not know if OVPN will work on paypal.

bladee4r said:

Oh, didn't make that connection. Yeah that should be fine then actually.
Are you using different account/number/service for different VMs?
So, you are trying to have a different IP for each container right? Have you thought of purcahsing OVPN subscription for each service, I feel like that would be the best idea but maybe very expensive. This guarantees uptime and places the hands of your proxy in a more reliable hand than a residential proxy dealer which are usually shady. Also they could be logging your info. However I do not know if OVPN will work on paypal.

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Yes each container will have a completely separate identity.

Res Proxies can log my details but they cannot know the IP behind my system anyways since it is in a separate Qubes VM over a proxy VM.

I feel Privacy and security isn't a major concern since thats being taken care of with appropriate OPSEC.

What I am struggling with is finding a right static Residential Proxy for Paypal account so it lasts long.

Seth Harris said:

Res Proxies can log my details but they cannot know the IP behind my system anyways since it is in a separate Qubes VM over a proxy VM.

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Ok, i get that now.
Honestly I want to modify my setup similar to yours. if you could PM me more details / resources you got info from that would be great.
Cannot really recommend 100% a proxy for this.

bladee4r said:

Ok, i get that now.
Honestly I want to modify my setup similar to yours. if you could PM me more details / resources you got info from that would be great.
Cannot really recommend 100% a proxy for this.

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Please do PM me if you want any specific info about it

off topic: What are some good alternatives to Paypal, besides crypto and gift cards?

TIBHD said:

off topic: What are some good alternatives to Paypal, besides crypto and gift cards?

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What are you looking for? Something easy to spoof? Something more secure?

bladee4r said:

What are you looking for? Something easy to spoof? Something more secure?

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the key points I look after:
- easy verification
- reliable
- low fees

I do not expect you to believe me, but do remember what I've mentioned in this reply, as in future you will for sure remember what I'll mention.
PayPal has some backend algorithms that we can say give a "rating" to a PayPal account the moment a PayPal account is created.
Your biggest mistake is using a VPN such as ProtonVPN (all data center IPs are looked upon as suspicious by those backend PayPal algorithms. And no matter how much you farm that PayPal account, it will NOT be a practically usable PayPal account.
Things with PayPal has changed a lot since last 6 months and people do not realize this.
It is fine with me if everyone disagrees with what I've mentioned. Fine, keep creating stealth PayPal the way you feel is right. Keep trying and all the best.

Raj Kesu said:

I do not expect you to believe me, but do remember what I've mentioned in this reply, as in future you will for sure remember what I'll mention.
PayPal has some backend algorithms that we can say give a "rating" to a PayPal account the moment a PayPal account is created.
Your biggest mistake is using a VPN such as ProtonVPN (all data center IPs are looked upon as suspicious by those backend PayPal algorithms. And no matter how much you farm that PayPal account, it will NOT be a practically usable PayPal account.
Things with PayPal has changed a lot since last 6 months and people do not realize this.
It is fine with me if everyone disagrees with what I've mentioned. Fine, keep creating stealth PayPal the way you feel is right. Keep trying and all the best.

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Thats a good pointer bro.

But I am not planning to use protonvpn at all for Paypal. That's just on qubes.

For Paypal, I want to use a dedicated residential proxy very strictly.

I tried with residential proxies of 911 and vip72 but these are not static and hence I had the problem.

I don't even want to use data centre proxies here.

Hence I wanted an advice on which static residential proxies can be used for this purpose?

(I tried finding in marketplace. got many residential proxy but they are session, rotating or sticky ones only.)

The verification is live with PayPal know so good luck.

You create the account and then randomly get a verify via live cam.


The truth is buy accounts then use a mobile proxy or residential to use the accounts.

Making them you just get random verify and it not docs it live cam.

All accounts are now burning accounts they don't last long like old days

Only social accounts are possible.

You need 1 account that's yours and personal and use burning accounts and get all followers moved to the personal account.

The personal account always used manually.

PayPal accounts are too hard to make stealth because of the direct security cheek.

Ask an account creator, not like old days

The accounts from 2016 are best, that what I see people asking for a lot.

PayPal asks for street bank accounts to verify from the bank given so it not as easy as you think.

As soon as you make the accounts you get a random verify for live chat because PayPal a real online bank be warned.

Not advised to play with bank stealth accounts only warning you .

redarrow said:

The verification is live with PayPal know so good luck.

You create the account and then randomly get a verify via live cam.


The truth is buy accounts then use a mobile proxy or residential to use the accounts.

Making them you just get random verify and it not docs it live cam.

All accounts are now burning accounts they don't last long like old days

Only social accounts are possible.

You need 1 account that's yours and personal and use burning accounts and get all followers moved to the personal account.

The personal account always used manually.

PayPal accounts are too hard to make stealth because of the direct security cheek.

Ask an account creator, not like old days

The accounts from 2016 are best, that what I see people asking for a lot.

PayPal asks for street bank accounts to verify from the bank given so it not as easy as you think.

As soon as you make the accounts you get a random verify for live chat because PayPal a real online bank be warned.

Not advised to play with bank stealth accounts only warning you .

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Oh wow. When did Paypal start live verification bro? I mean when does it ask for it? when you reach a specific revenue or something? do you know of any scenario that can trigger this?

I am prepared for the accounts to burn. Just wanting to know more info so that it keeps lasting as long as it can? (and I mean if it lasts even for 10-15 days and takes in revenue of more about $1500-2000 before burning away)

In that case, I'll plan to have 3-5 always in active mode and use it with rotation.

Rinse and repeat the process.

I just want them to last as long as it can.

TIBHD said:

off topic: What are some good alternatives to Paypal, besides crypto and gift cards?

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Stealth Cashapp can be an option to. But again these are burn accounts (need to rinse and repeat)

Stealthpay.com can be a good alternative. But these are not customer friendly. If you have a proper customer base who can go through lil pain, then maybe consider it orelse no.

Can't recall anything else apart from this.

TIBHD said:

the key points I look after:
- easy verification
- reliable
- low fees

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I think it all depends on your products and country. If products are 100% whitehat, probably you can find many service easily on google depending on your country.

The issue is when the product is not 100% whitehat or maybe completely whitehat digital products too which sometimes gets a lot of chargeback.