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5 Early Soft Conclusions And Opportunities With Penguin 2.1

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Scritty, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    By soft conclusion I'm saying that their is a great deal more detail to be added. The absolute nuggets of truth. What percentage of this and what keyword mix of the other... down to precision levels is something I just don't know.
    It's going to take a major study by people like the guys at SEOmetrics to get to the bottom of that, and that takes resources I just don't have.
    Also, my findings are taken from a specific branch of the IM and SEO community. I haven't analysed the effect of P2.1 on micro niche sites, local sites or "rank bank and tank" set ups.
    With the latter in particular I'm sure that to an extent most of the fast old ways still work very well if you just twist them a little - there is nothing wrong with ranking for a short term long tail product of market keyword, ranking foir a few weeks or months, banking then taking the hit. I've no problem with that at all...that just isn't what I'm discussing here.

    Likewise established international authority sites play by their own rules. We've just got to accept that. Look at the number of Facebook, Twitter, Amazon and Wiki pages that are now on page one alongside a couple of Youtube vids... leaving virtually no space for independants to rank for anything. Again I can't analyse those, I don't have access to their back end and I don't have time to check the providence of the billion sof links these sites have.

    I'm talking specifically about sites that promote a range of products and get added to now and then "active" sites where the owner has a view of growing both the site and its reach over time in a risk reduced way (no such thing as risk free - twats like Rand Fishkin might want to sell you that Idea for $200 a month - but it just isn't how the real world works). So my own blog is an example of that and is one of the 8 of my own sites alongside arounf 15 other sites mostly from members of this forum who have contacted me in the last week and allowed me to analyse and use their data when coming to these conclusions - soft though they are.

    5 Penguin 2.1 Risks and Opportunities

    If you disagree with these ideas and soft conclusions that's fine. No problem But please be constructive. Why do you disagree and what circumstances and conditions are you on about an do you base your views on.
    No problem with open discussions here, but flame wars and trolling isn't going to help. These 5 points really are the ones that seem to stand out for the type of IM I do.

    So what are your takeaways, How do they differ, How are they refined? What might the similarities be?

    Scritty
     
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  2. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Just skimmed through it (saved for reading later) but my response is:

    Penguin 2.1 - Not Even Slightly Funny - AGREED

    Links Equals Success - AGREED

    Quality Beats Quantity. - AGREED

    A Badly Formed Second Tier Can Now Hurt You - AGREED

    Penguin And Hummingbird Mimic Panda..Sort Of. - UNSURE

    Hummingbird And Penguin Together? - UNSURE

    A Mixed Social Media Profile Is Increasing Important. - UNSURE

    Look forward to reading it properly as I always find what you post to be interesting and informative. Cheers
     
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  3. cloakndagger2

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    Insightful information as always scritty. I do alot of local and I'd advise you get your site in places. Business directories take more slots now on the first page with less organic business sites ranking. I have seen changes locally on a daily basis, is this penguin incorporated into a live algo ?, only time will tell. This looks identical to every penguin update in this regard, this was ironed out after a week or so.

    Google appears to like new sites but this could simply be because they were not in the original data set .

    Your concept of search phrases today e.g the uk suv example rings true. It makes sense, this can perhaps explain why more inner pages are currently ranking .
    I have always been a fan of partial matches and have never had a site hit through any update. I am not a fan of click here type anchor, I'd use a raw url in those cases.

    Anyway very good initial summary scritty. :)
     
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    Thanks for the post Scritty reading the content now...:cool:
     
  5. PrinceVisi

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    Hey Enemy,

    I have a new website that I am trying to finish right now in a very competitive niche and I am thinking of long term!

    The SEO of the Top 10 competitors is not focused on the main keyword and it is not optimized for that keyword too, but they are ahead of me with their PR and authority, especially the Top one.

    I am trying to optimize my website for that keyword and also for some other related keywords and also interchange pages with each other with anchor text, and also give a feeling of authority.

    I am thinking of following a simple strategy next month: Social Shares + Home page niche related links of PR 3-5. Building 1 backlink per day and blast once per week with social share in facebook, tweets, google plus and pinterest.

    Do you think it will get my new website near the competitors this kind of strategy?
     
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  6. Scritty

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    In general the first point aqbout getting related keywords is vital I think. No longer a bonus - but a neccesity.
    Someone will develop a related keywords tool (not a market tool - but an SEO tool) soon.
    As for the rest fine just remember to scale it to your current site, linking profile and authority.
    If you ever ask yourself the question "Should I make "X" links or "2*X" links - the very fact you are asking that question means you should probably make the smaller quantity...for now.
    It's more subtle than that, but general rules are all we can work out till the likes of SEOmetrics get their teeth into macro analysis of millios of sites

    Scritty
     
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  8. PrinceVisi

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    Thank You!

    I will make a case study of this site and report back the results for everyone here!
     
  9. Nargil

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    From what I have read so far during the last week, the solution really seems as follows:

    Use private blog network links, 0 - 1 per day. Throw in a few, like really few web 2.0 links with few pages of content. Use really really diverse anchor text. Partials, hard URLs, really long question phrases "how to train my german sheppard" in case my main KW is dog training. Keep exact anchor text to less than 10% and add some social presence. Never ever use any spun content for tier 1. No idea about tier 2 though.

    This is my own conclusion from reading every single thread about P 2.1 here on forums and everywhere on the net. I've never tested it.
     
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  10. bigger dog

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    I am new to IM and SEO. That was a good read.
    Seems like the SEO game is getting better. The ways are getting more refined.

    I personally like the steeper learning curve. Helps to distance the amateurs from pros.
     
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    Nice info here. Eventhough you say it is soft conclusion, It has its weight of details. worth a read.
     
  12. seo-addict

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    After every Penguin update I hear "quality content, quality content!" And it's never true.


    Have you tried using spun content to the exact same sources on another test? Then how do you know that "quality content" is needed? I have sites ranking near top 10 (high competition) with mainly blog network posts using spun content. You should try spun content as a test first and see if you have any results.
     
  13. Nargil

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    As I said, I don't have resources to test myself. What I wrote there are the most repeated "sightings" after P 2.1 on BHW.
     
  14. Stufferizer

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    Nice writeup!

    We can also see that you follow your own suggestions seriously posting here:
    "But add to that presence on niche related forums and blogs."
    Really nice marketing! May I ask how many visitors from BHW alone you got today?
     
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    So you're repeating the same shit that's been said on this forum since forever. Now I remember why I quit reading blackhat forums last year, people spreading non-sense while I was making $5k+/day ranking in some most competitive markets online. People were in here talking about "web2.0s" when I was spamming 50k links in a day and banking hard.

    Word of advice to any serious SEOs - don't listen to this unique content bullshit and do your own testing. That's how you make the big bucks... I will get there again. Fuck you Cutts!!

     
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  16. Nargil

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    Yes, you obviously stopped reading and started just posting your crap. Read the first post carefully:

    So go discuss your churn and burn somewhere else. And I don't really think that anyone here was curious about how much you were making per day. So jerk off a bit, calm yourself down and then go making your 5K+ a day and let us "pathetic noobs" discuss our shit.
     
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    We are in business to PROFIT.... Period. Not to make some unique web2.0 BUT if that's what it took then id do it ... So long as I PROFIT max amount. Don't build shit just because you "think it's the right thing to do"... This is BLACKHAT SEO for fucks sake...
     
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    Glad you edited your post, the "liberal" part wasn't making any sense really.

    Building shit because it's the right thing to do depends on your approach. Yeh, you can go with churning and burning, I would do it myself if I had the resources and knowledge, but alas, I do not.
    For many people here though, building sites that last or have a better chance of lasting is more important. Some people here are building websites for clients who have regular business and they mostly do not like the churn and burn approach. And it doesn't really matter if this site is dedicated to black hat or not. Even this thread is about grey hat, not about spamranking.

    So unless you can accept other approach, besides churn and burn, you shouldn't really go around the forum and be offensive to everyone who doesn't share your approach. Hope you understand.
     
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    When scritty comes up with something you gotta listen :)

    Btw how do I subscribe to your blog???
     
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    For sure ^^
    Personally, I gave his site a +1 on Google so that his updates would appear on my newsfeed there, and I also added his website to my Feedly (Replacement for Google Reader) on my smartphone for quick browsing and checking for updates.