2015 EU VAT TAX nonsense

Guys, hire a fucking accountant.

VAT is one of those things you do not fuck around with, its quite serious.

If you don't have to, don't register for VAT and hire an accountant.

They are worth every penny, they take a huge weight off your mind. I'm seeing my old account in the new year for a new venture I'm working on, I know he will teach more more in 1 hour of his time than I will learn in 10 hours of googleing shit.
 
Are you vat registered in your own country ? your vat liabilty is with your own vat authorities not with the ones overseas. Legislation may have changed in jan 15' but its been this way for years, vat gets charged at the final place of sale. If you are not vat registered and you are not invoicing out vat then I dont see how it affects you.

This is wrong. As of January 2015, the amount of VAT charged is dependent on the location/residence of the customer. For example, if you run a business and your company is VAT registered in Germany (19% VAT) and someone from France (20% VAT) buys your product/service, then you need to apply 20% VAT to the transaction. Furthermore, as per the new EU VAT regulations, quarterly VAT filings should be made to a central EU organization called MOSS (Mini One Stop Shop), from which your collected VAT gets distributed to the countries where your customers were from. If you do not do this, you will technically need to register yourself with the local tax authorities in every EU country where your customers were from and manually submit your VAT filings to each of the relevant local tax authorities.

Choosing not to register yourself for VAT is also not an option if you are actively selling products/services within the EU. You have to be registered with your local chamber of commerce if you are actively selling products/services and you have to be registered for VAT.

VAT is pretty much optional on digital products and services in the EU, if the company is based overseas.

Setup a company not in the EU, so you can get around the VAT.

This is also incorrect. As per the new EU VAT regulations, EU now expects non-EU businesses to also charge VAT (and collect the necessary information) when conducting business with EU citizens. How will this be enforced? Who knows. But the fact is this is something they are actively working on implementing.

Bump. Wondering if anybody here actually complies with this stupid law?

Btw, in 2017 a threshold is planned to be introduced below which businesses will be exempt of this law.

It is a pain in the ass, but you should definitely do the necessary research and become compliant with the new regulations. Feigning ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse and will not exempt you from potential penalties if the tax authorities deem you to be in violation of the regulations and decide to go after you.

Just to be clear, I am in no way in favor of the new regulations and I think the people in charge of making these decisions have a very poor grasp on the realities and complexities of running a business and complying with these regulations. But if you are serious about running a business, it should be your priority to become compliant with these regulations ASAP.
 
Guys, hire a fucking accountant.

VAT is one of those things you do not fuck around with, its quite serious.

If you don't have to, don't register for VAT and hire an accountant.

They are worth every penny, they take a huge weight off your mind. I'm seeing my old account in the new year for a new venture I'm working on, I know he will teach more more in 1 hour of his time than I will learn in 10 hours of googleing shit.

This is the best advice in this thread.

Too many people seem to think that money earned online is somehow subject to different tax regulations than traditional businesses and that your "internet monies" is safe from your local tax authorities and their laws. Do not think this way. You are risking learning a very expensive lesson with potentially disastrous consequences for your business and yourself.

If you are unsure what the rules are concerning VAT and how they apply to you and you do business with customers in the EU, book an appointment with an accountant ASAP.
 
Offshore company is the answer. Cookie law, EU VAT, shitload of bureaucracy... When it comes to internet scene, EU is falling behind USA by far. Instead of making better conditions for webmasters, EU is raping its citizens with idiotic laws.
 
How the fuck is a small guy going to keep private customers info for 10 years? He can get screwed by data protection laws just as well.
 
How the fuck is a small guy going to keep private customers info for 10 years? He can get screwed by data protection laws just as well.

I would suggest printing the information out and filing it. Pain in the arse but again, fucking around with VAT = prison. It happens more often than you think.
 
I would suggest printing the information out and filing it. Pain in the arse but again, fucking around with VAT = prison. It happens more often than you think.

Man, you could replace VAT with IRS in that post and it works 100% with the United States. Pain in the ass, but scary as fuck. Getting audited is every corporation's worst nightmare.
 
I actually had about $5 of sales of my music this year and didn't collect VAT. If the buyer was from EU, I could be fucked :rolleyes:.

"Breaking news: bedroom musician prosecuted - didn't pay $1 of VAT".
 
I know that I'm a little late for this since I'm already kinda fucked because law is already implemented.

What if I sold only 2 pieces of item through my website totaling 14$ in sales. Do I still need to travel to France and Spain, register for VAT, run with the bulls, pay 2.8$ in taxes, and spend thousands of dollars on lawyers, accountants and financial advisors?

Is this law just another way to say FUCK YOU!?
aren't the buyers supposed to pay the VAT (if they're from EU)? for instance Paypal automatically adds the VAT to orders where applicable (take a look at the Jr VIP membership here) and it's not the seller who pays that, but the buyer, on the other hand after this low amount i'm pretty sure that you don't have to pay income taxes, in the US i believe the limit is $600/year in earnings, where i live it's quite similar
 
I'm still not 100% sure what is an automatically delivered service and what exactly is "minimal" intervention. For example, I'm about to launch SEO and graphic design reselling businesses. It seems that these are considered manually delivered services, because they aren't instantaneous, take more than minimal intervention, sometimes include communication with the customer in order to have the service delivered, in other words that wouldn't be possible without active participation of the seller. I've read some of the official document (though it wasn't easy understanding it) and it seems that the law doesn't touch me but want to be sure, though.
 
aren't the buyers supposed to pay the VAT (if they're from EU)? for instance Paypal automatically adds the VAT to orders where applicable (take a look at the Jr VIP membership here) and it's not the seller who pays that, but the buyer, on the other hand after this low amount i'm pretty sure that you don't have to pay income taxes, in the US i believe the limit is $600/year in earnings, where i live it's quite similar

VAT is tax that the businesses collects.

That amount they add on still gets sent to the people you are buying from, its their responsibility to make sure the correct government gets it.
 
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