1500 words OK ? For money article

The average attention span is 4 seconds. This has nothing to do with me or my sites, this is a fact unrelated to me at all. It's a result of the digital age and the growing internet.

In regards to my data, I believe I have well more than you do if you cannot grasp such simple common sense here. I have had sites rank for 50,000 word keywords #1 with no links and a 1000 word article. But that along with your data are irrelevant here. You are missing the point.

It's as if you are confusing both google and humans as an algorithm. There are queries which shorter articles are more appropriate. After all, you are writing for users first and search engines second. 14,500 words of unnecessary filler and redundancy will hurt you in the long run when no one reads it and bounces off before you actually answer their question.

For example, I encourage you to write a 15,000 word article on the keyword "How to Install a Wordpress Plugin" and see what results you get.

Popularity prevails. Quality over quantity prevails. This is not unlike keyword stuffing in the past. Unnecessary inclusion at the expense of quality or for the purpose of gaming a system will bite you in the ass when it hurts user experience.

But maybe you are right. You have cracked the code and figured it out; if every website in the world only wrote 15,000 word articles for every post they'd all be in a better position. Just format it right and you're golden. All those SEOs are wasting their time with puny 2-3k articles.

I have personally found that longer articles with pagination work best (using actual data, not assumptions). Google sees one long article, visitors see a series of short ones. I personally hate pagination with a passion, but in the niches I cover, paginated articles get more engagement and a lower bounce rate than single-page articles of any length.

Yes, exactly, in your niches it works better. Your niches. It's not a rule. And no one is arguing longer content doesn't generally do better... it does. But I think I explained multiple times over why "the longer the better" and that writing 15,000 word articles isn't optimal if the quality will suffer.

In regards to pagination, splitting articles into multiple posts with the same title on the surface seems as though it would be a nightmare for seo and lead to content cannibalization; and you virtually never see these done outside of magazine style websites with terrible SEO. However, I know there is ways to tell Google essentially what's going on, but I've never looked into it enough to comment on it.
 
The average attention span is 4 seconds. This has nothing to do with me or my sites, this is a fact unrelated to me at all. It's a result of the digital age and the growing internet.
I don't wager my livelihood on the word of scientists, gurus, and other 'experts' who have little to know experience with real-world marketing, I rely on split-testing and personally collected data.

I have never seen an authority site with articles that adhere to your 4-second rule, and none of my own sites with short articles have performed well in SERPS or with visitors. But if your personal experience has been different, well done, I'd love to hear more about your testing. (If you're just going to repeat "common sense" and "scientists say'", don't bother.)
 
The average attention span is 4 seconds. This has nothing to do with me or my sites, this is a fact unrelated to me at all. It's a result of the digital age and the growing internet.

Not sure how making 1K word article would change anything if the average span is 4 seconds then. :)

In regards to my data, I believe I have well more than you do if you cannot grasp such simple common sense here. I have had sites rank for 50,000 word keywords #1 with no links and a 1000 word article. But that along with your data are irrelevant here. You are missing the point.

It's not him who is missing the point here.

It's as if you are confusing both google and humans as an algorithm. There are queries which shorter articles are more appropriate. After all, you are writing for users first and search engines second. 14,500 words of unnecessary filler and redundancy will hurt you in the long run when no one reads it and bounces off before you actually answer their question.

For example, I encourage you to write a 15,000 word article on the keyword "How to Install a Wordpress Plugin" and see what results you get.

You are honestly not able to think outside your little box. Why would I limit myself to write a single post about "how to install WP plugin", when I can add dozens of similar keywords in to that article and rank for all of them with as little effort as possible. That is for example "How to install WP theme", "What is WP plugin", "How to uninstall WP plugin", etc etc. That allows you to go for a pretty long article that will rank
for hundreds of keyword. And with correct navigation within the article, there's no "UX" suffering, no higher bounce rate and so on.

Popularity prevails. Quality over quantity prevails.

Wrong. Amazing that your entire argument is based on "Longer is not always better", but in this case "Quality is always better". Wow. Hypocritical much?

Unnecessary inclusion at the expense of quality or for the purpose of gaming a system will bite you in the ass when it hurts user experience.

I agree partially, thing is, if the site has a terrible bounce rate and shitty "UX", it would not rank in the first place, nor convert much. Neither of this is true for my sites.

All those SEOs are wasting their time with puny 2-3k articles.

Most "SEOs" have never ranked shit in their lives.

False. Some people actually like to read entire articles before clicking or performing any actions. If the article is 15,000 words, they might eject or bookmark it for later (and we all know how bookmarks go with forgetting and revisiting).

I wonder how they manage to do that with their 4 second attention span.

You are basing this off your narrow-experience of your Amazon sites and passing it off as a general rule. And this is simply not the case.

No, I am basing this on my 7+ year experience screwing with fuckin Google from Youtube, to 1 pagers, to 300 word articles, to 15K word articles, to authority sites, to CPA, Adsense, CPS and so on. I really do not need to prove myself. Take from my posts what you will, if you don't, it's not my loss really.

The average attention span is 4 seconds online (something like that)... and you cannot possibly fathom how some people prefer to read shorter articles?

As I have said before. Point is, to get the user get the hell out of your site via affiliate link. Give him an immediate solution for his problem, give him a link and he is done within 4 seconds. If the user wants to read more, he is more than welcome to. I am sure there are plenty of guides on how to structure the article/site properly. You might want to give them a read.

Don't write for bots

This one is not from you Cod, but quoting on BHW us hell on Earth.

Anyway, you are writing for bots. Your entire SEO campaign from start to finish is about writing for bots. Anything you do, any letter you write, any keyword you use, any backlink you build, you do, to please Google. Thus, you are writing for bots, whether you like it or not. And considering the quality of writing services on BHW and overall, I really wonder, how many people can actually write something really engaging that's not just a Google fodder.
 
7 years experience I guess have never given you common sense.

I can't believe I am actually arguing the notion that 15k articles aren't the best possible scenario 100% of the time.

I wonder how they manage to do that with their 4 second attention span.

When they scan a page and see it's not a book and decide to read it.

As I have said before. Point is, to get the user get the hell out of your site via affiliate link. Give him an immediate solution for his problem, give him a link and he is done within 4 seconds. If the user wants to read more, he is more than welcome to. I am sure there are plenty of guides on how to structure the article/site properly. You might want to give them a read.

No that's your point. Many sites operate outside of your tiny box that you can't seem to escape; they actually want users to read the entirety of their articles, get on their mailing list, build trust, etc. It's not, hey let me shove this article with as much content regardless of whether it's crappy filler or not... because, screw the user it's all about that first paragraph affiliate link.

Again, how is this even debatable.

Why would I limit myself to write a single post about "how to install WP plugin", when I can add dozens of similar keywords in to that article and rank for all of them with as little effort as possible. That is for example "How to install WP theme", "What is WP plugin",

That doesn't require 15k words. But even in your examples targeting "how to install wp theme" and "how to install wp plugin" are different enough keywords that you'd likely rank better with separate posts. Run a query for both terms: do you see any which are targeting both terms in the context of one massive general article? No, you see targeted posts specifically for that term and synonymous terms/LSI. The broader the scope of the article the harder it can be to rank for specific terms since the page is so diverse. And no diverse doesn't equal LSI it equals completely different keywords like "install wp plugin" and "install wp theme".

Anyway, you are writing for bots. Your entire SEO campaign from start to finish is about writing for bots. Anything you do, any letter you write, any keyword you use, any backlink you build, you do, to please Google. Thus, you are writing for bots, whether you like it or not. And considering the quality of writing services on BHW and overall, I really wonder, how many people can actually write something really engaging that's not just a Google fodder.

You discredit yourself immediately by stating this.
 
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No that's your point. Many sites operate outside of your tiny box that you can't seem to escape; they actually want users to read the entirety of their articles, get on their mailing list, build trust, etc. It's not, hey let me shove this article with as much content regardless of whether it's crappy filler or not... because, screw the user it's all about that first paragraph affiliate link.
This is an SEO forum, not a writers forum...

The title of this thread mentions "money article", and it was posted in the White Hat SEO section, so clearly OP is asking about articles to rank highly on Google and make sales. So why are you making off-topic comments about building a fan-base for non-monetized blogs? How does your answer in any way relate to OP's question, or even this forum?
 
It doesnt matter if you write 15k or 150 k , Till the time its fresh content you would be approved even if its 150 words
 
This is an SEO forum, not a writers forum...

The title of this thread mentions "money article", and it was posted in the White Hat SEO section, so clearly OP is asking about articles to rank highly on Google and make sales. So why are you making off-topic comments about building a fan-base for non-monetized blogs? How does your answer in any way relate to OP's question, or even this forum?

The only fault here was recommending 15k articles to OP's "money article" as some type of catch-all answer. Define "money article". Is it an affiliate site? A blog with a mailing list? No one even knows what OP's site or topic is. To suggest 15k is optimal in all cases is ridiculous.

Also, you're now stripping out context from what I've said and devolving the argument.

I can only assume you don't understand SEO if you think UX doesn't matter and it's solely all about keywords and content length. But we've been over this so maybe we'll just stop here. I think OP has written the article 10x over by now anyway.
 
An article should be as long as it needs be.
 
I can only assume you don't understand SEO if you think UX doesn't matter and it's solely all about keywords and content length.
I already spoke on the topic of UX, but you selectively ignored all that and kept arguing against what you imagined other people were saying.
 
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