#1 With No Hands SEO Alone

Getwhatchuwant said:

I dunno if it hurts but many dont help. How then do people get slapped by google? I would think that it is through thousands of links in obviously unrelated places. I dont think I ever have heard of someone getting penalized by having thousands of links from contextual pages. But I have heard the opposite, hell it even happened to JC Penney, did you read that article?

I dont see how your hyperlinked "Pest Control" comment link really helps you in a Mongolian ice fishing blog.

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you will get sandboxed if you make thousands of backlinks in a very short time and ping them all, if you steal content or in other words if it's not unique and so on, like when people make 1000 backlinks with only one anchor text... its so unnatural and obvious that even ask.com could ban for this

mtwttr said:

you will get sandboxed if you make thousands of backlinks in a very short time and ping them all, if you steal content or in other words if it's not unique and so on, like when people make 1000 backlinks with only one anchor text... its so unnatural and obvious that even ask.com could ban for this

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Exactly. But what about thousands of BL's from your same niche? Wouldnt that be different? I think so, it is almost like going viral, wouldnt you think?

There is method with which you cant lose... How about 10-20 QUALITY backlinks daily. Backlinks from your niche PR1+ and you got nothing to worry about. You can backlink directly your money site b/c that is not some big amount of bl-s. And from that 10-20 bl-s daily you can expect at least 1-2 bl's are good, quality ones from the page with right niche subject. I say that b/c even NHS can be wrong no matter you put certain keywords in the keyword field.

And you can do all that with NHS . Tho first month only thing I would do with nhs is whois backlinks and manual backlinking by myself for first 3-4 weeks and when I get indexed then I would start doing bl's with NHS . Im 99% sure it cant go bad that way

Im testing the trial of NHSEO. Im linking directly to my money sites is this bad? From what I see NHSEO posts around 100 comments a day (depending on how long you leave it running) and about 10-30 of them are confirmed. Is my assumption correct that Google finds this practice "white hat" in their eyes and wont penalize me for linking directly to my money site?

Guys, I can't get into it right now but if you think that you can harm a website by building backlinks to it you are mistaken. If that were possible I would load up some spamming tool and send 1000s of crappy backlinks to my competitors and get them banned.

Most people that think they have been penalised / banned from google haven't at all and have just been over taken by competitors, those that have been penalised generally are penalised because they have crappy content on their site.

The JC Penny example is an extreme case because they were a very high profile website that had been outed as intentionally buying links to rank higher, it was in all of the news and they were making google look bad in public. I doubt many users here have websites that are as high profile and likely to trigger this knee jerk reaction from Google.

jimbobo2779 said:

Guys, I can't get into it right now but if you think that you can harm a website by building backlinks to it you are mistaken. If that were possible I would load up some spamming tool and send 1000s of crappy backlinks to my competitors and get them banned.

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I've tried for a long time to get people to realize this, but it never works. They believe the hype from the "guru's" selling a product more than real world examples.

I blasted 400,000 SB posts to a brand new site every day for 3 weeks and never got sandboxed. I was on the second page after the second week.

Also Jimbobo, I'm with Rushdie and I would pay nicely for a tool that could do 10-100x more than NHS is doing now.

I've been running for about 2-3 days and have less than 200 verified links. It's simply not enough for what I need. Is it possible in the new version to set the threads higher? I have lots of private proxies and it's running on a server of mine.

yeah im interested as well.
- if you can fix the memory issue
- able to do more backlinks a day
- maybe more platforms would just add more links
if you use another language than english does it matter ? i assume it shouldnt but better to ask first

Good tool, I agree... But this looks like post hype to me..

BHopkins said:

I've tried for a long time to get people to realize this, but it never works. They believe the hype from the "guru's" selling a product more than real world examples.

I blasted 400,000 SB posts to a brand new site every day for 3 weeks and never got sandboxed. I was on the second page after the second week.

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Meh, it doesn't really bother me when people claim things like that but it does when they try to tell me I am wrong lol

BHopkins said:

Also Jimbobo, I'm with Rushdie and I would pay nicely for a tool that could do 10-100x more than NHS is doing now.

I've been running for about 2-3 days and have less than 200 verified links. It's simply not enough for what I need. Is it possible in the new version to set the threads higher? I have lots of private proxies and it's running on a server of mine.

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If you have more profiles entered it runs each one concurrently in its own thread. V1.6 will introduce the setting of absolute number of threads and the workload from each profile will be spread across these threads, this should be released this week.

neu009 said:

yeah im interested as well.
- if you can fix the memory issue
- able to do more backlinks a day
- maybe more platforms would just add more links
if you use another language than english does it matter ? i assume it shouldnt but better to ask first

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V1.6 is fixing these issues this week. More platforms are not getting added anytime soon, the only platforms that could possibly be automated in the way No Hands SEO is are not worth having other than for indexing they have little to no effect for ranking. Any language should be supported just fine.

ardley216 said:

Good tool, I agree... But this looks like post hype to me..

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Hype? The problem is that there are so many dishonest vendors of SEO software and products that everyone is super cynical about anything that gets good reviews. I have never paid, or incentivized, for a review or testimonial, everything you read about NHSEO is 100% honest. If I had the money and contacts to do this I would have had my BST months (literally months) sooner, fact is the tool does everything I claim it to do.

If you look at the sales website you will notice that it does not claim you will get 1st page rankings, it does not claim you will earn thousands of dollars, all it claims is that it will get you backlinks without lifting a finger and it absolutely delivers on that promise. I prefer to be completely honest with people as in the long run it is the only way the tool will last a long time and I don't have to spend all day issuing refunds.

Also you can check out the websites blog to see how many updates I have released, I think this shows I am more interesting in providing a product that people see the use in than trying to scam people by making false claims.

I hope you don't see this as a rant aimed at you but I see skepticism from many people and just wanted to set the record straight.

Can someone please explain how this is different then SB? WHat does it do better?

jimbobo I do thank you, because you are one of the few that will let people try your product for a week free. Kudos for you and it is a good tool.

I am not sure if this is the tool for me though, even though you may think the sandbox is a myth or google penalty is a myth, I am not 100% certain and cannot take that risk. You have to understand this is do or die for me and I cannot afford a mistake otherwise I will scrap the project, I just cannot afford it to remain unprofitable for me.

That is why I wanted exact match and was hoping the tool would be more precise. Even though it is good about 20-25% seem to come from unrelated sources and when there are hundreds if not thousands (if I leave it running) of links that number can grow quickly. I WILL do this, I will blast a blog all night with this tool (I have 2 days left in the trial) and I have exactly 0 ranking in any keyword, if I somehow get ranked for any keyword, I will come back and give you CRAZY good reviews, for now I am not going to point it to the $$$ site and again, I want to give you some real credit for supplying this to the masses for a week free.

Dan Da Man said:

Can someone please explain how this is different then SB? WHat does it do better?

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They are completely different tools, there is a lot that you can do with scrapebox that you cannot do with NHSEO but there is not a single tool on the market that will get you bakclinks with as little effort as No Hands SEO.

Getwhatchuwant said:

jimbobo I do thank you, because you are one of the few that will let people try your product for a week free. Kudos for you and it is a good tool.

I am not sure if this is the tool for me though, even though you may think the sandbox is a myth or google penalty is a myth, I am not 100% certain and cannot take that risk. You have to understand this is do or die for me and I cannot afford a mistake otherwise I will scrap the project, I just cannot afford it to remain unprofitable for me.

That is why I wanted exact match and was hoping the tool would be more precise. Even though it is good about 20-25% seem to come from unrelated sources and when there are hundreds if not thousands (if I leave it running) of links that number can grow quickly. I WILL do this, I will blast a blog all night with this tool (I have 2 days left in the trial) and I have exactly 0 ranking in any keyword, if I somehow get ranked for any keyword, I will come back and give you CRAZY good reviews, for now I am not going to point it to the $$$ site and again, I want to give you some real credit for supplying this to the masses for a week free.

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A weeks trial is no biggy really, so many are so skeptical about it doing what I claim it does but it really does everythig I claim it to do. As for google penalties and non relevant blogs you can set it to only post to exact results in the settings, if this is what you want to do just uncheck the "broad search" checkbox in the settings tab.

Getwhatchuwant said:

I dunno if it hurts but many dont help. How then do people get slapped by google? I would think that it is through thousands of links in obviously unrelated places. I dont think I ever have heard of someone getting penalized by having thousands of links from contextual pages. But I have heard the opposite, hell it even happened to JC Penney, did you read that article?

I dont see how your hyperlinked "Pest Control" comment link really helps you in a Mongolian ice fishing blog.

Again I am no pro but I thought google was looking for good content and natural links back to your site from other sites in the same genre as yours.

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No offence I don't think you're quite cut out for BH.It's a risk,if you're not happy taking the risk don't,that's how simply it is.
If you waited for natural links you'd be dead before your site ranked anywhere decent in even a mid comp niche.

I've blasted a site continously for 4 days with the same keyword and got to #1 within 2 weeks.You can rank a blank page as long as you know how to do get your header right.
Here's the thing if your site is crap and you have 1000's of links at it,goodbye.Google is not a fool.Your site will either by crawled specifically looking at the obl's and content or manually if you have adsense.

If you have a site which sells a real product thats is bought from the site and has a handful of obl's links will not harm you whatsoever.If you have affiliate links it can be very different.

All your links coming from posts solely related to your niche is a bad idea as well.
If I were you I'd have a good look through BHW and learn.

Doing bh seo when you're desperate is never a good idea.

This is only friendly advice my friend but sometimes you need a reality check to kick your arse into gear to take action.

Fact,your site is nowhere to be seen so what have you got to lose,it's a simple question with a simple answer.
NSO will not hurt your site,the worst that can happen is your site isn't good enough and starts getting penalised.If you have adsense ,well,nuff said.

cloakndagger said:

No offence I don't think you're quite cut out for BH.It's a risk,if you're not happy taking the risk don't,that's how simply it is.
If you waited for natural links you'd be dead before your site ranked anywhere decent in even a mid comp niche.

I've blasted a site continously for 4 days with the same keyword and got to #1 within 2 weeks.You can rank a blank page as long as you know how to do get your header right.
Here's the thing if your site is crap and you have 1000's of links at it,goodbye.Google is not a fool.Your site will either by crawled specifically looking at the obl's and content or manually if you have adsense.

If you have a site which sells a real product thats is bought from the site and has a handful of obl's links will not harm you whatsoever.If you have affiliate links it can be very different.

All your links coming from posts solely related to your niche is a bad idea as well.
If I were you I'd have a good look through BHW and learn.

Doing bh seo when you're desperate is never a good idea.

This is only friendly advice my friend but sometimes you need a reality check to kick your arse into gear to take action.

Fact,your site is nowhere to be seen so what have you got to lose,it's a simple question with a simple answer.
NSO will not hurt your site,the worst that can happen is your site isn't good enough and starts getting penalised.If you have adsense ,well,nuff said.

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You might be right, I dont think I am cut out for BH or at least taking a risk with a retail e commerce site. With all the updates I dont think anyone can say for certain what is good/bad when it comes to BH anymore, lots or guys that were page 1 are creating threads about drops, why? Who knows if we all knew then the answer to fix it would be easy.

Anyway, I am running this sucker all night on a blog that has 0 ranking also to see what happens over the next fed days or week.

Funny thing is I have a "how to" blog that I do for fun that has 6,210,000 exact match results in google that I am on page 1 for 2 variations of the keywords and on page 2 for the most basic and searched version with no white or BH tactics, well just a little but basically have 30 BL's but real content.
Not sure why that is but, it is.
As an example my site is EMD "howtoplayfootballincollege" and ranks page 1 (3rd AND 4th) for how to play football in college, but also top 10 for how to play football in high school and page 2 for how to play football. Thats not the real KW's but you get the idea, again no real tactics and certainly no money spent since this one is for fun.

The one I want to rank..I cant...LOL....

Why are so many people afraid of the links coming to your site. Shit, if I wanted to ruin all my competition then I would find the shittiest porn links I could. I would put "gay porn viagra" as the anchor texts. Think about it. Everyone would be going all out war to try and sandbox the other site with porn links. It is better that most people believe you can get sandboxed because that leaves the playing field wide open for us who are not pussies to risk.

Dan Da Man said:

Why are so many people afraid of the links coming to your site. Shit, if I wanted to ruin all my competition then I would find the shittiest porn links I could. I would put "gay porn viagra" as the anchor texts. Think about it. Everyone would be going all out war to try and sandbox the other site with porn links. It is better that most people believe you can get sandboxed because that leaves the playing field wide open for us who are not pussies to risk.

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Well then blast away, with tools like this we can have MILLIONS of backlinks and rank #1 for every keyword on the planet.

Im guessing there is a bit of sarcasm in that post. If you are unsure about the effects link building has on your rankings then dont use tools for backlinking, you always have a choice. He is not saying that you can rank for a keyword simply by getting millions of crappy links he is just saying bad links should never count against you for ranking and that is something that is seen by all experienced blackhatters.

The only time inlinks can adversely affect your ranings is when your content is trash and you are subject to a manual review, if that is the case it is not the links that have caused the penalisation it is the crappy content.

jimbobo2779 said:

Im guessing there is a bit of sarcasm in that post. If you are unsure about the effects link building has on your rankings then dont use tools for backlinking, you always have a choice. He is not saying that you can rank for a keyword simply by getting millions of crappy links he is just saying bad links should never count against you for ranking and that is something that is seen by all experienced blackhatters.

The only time inlinks can adversely affect your ranings is when your content is trash and you are subject to a manual review, if that is the case it is not the links that have caused the penalisation it is the crappy content.

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Totally true. Great way of explaining it!

Only highly plagarised content will get you permanently slapped.
Even then - if you change the content you can recover.

Notihing that happens "outside" your site can get you permanently slapped.

If it did - I would junk spam link all my competitors with animal porn links with Xrumer.

Inernet doesn't work that way.

1. Onsite - relavent, unique content is king - the more the better.
2. Offsite links are king - the more the better - as long as you've got number 1 covered - go like crazy ape shit on number 2.

Most people don't have 1 covered

"My article was "almost" unique..it was xxx% copyscape blah blah."

Not unique then is it!

"I got two posts on my new site about the topic and a picture - almost 600 words in all."

Great - your nearest competitor has 3000+ words on his URL, and has been there for 3 years. Who do you reckon is going to win that one?

Sure Google will "shuffle" new sites, and shuffle any sites when it wants, but if they are "clean" have good content, a decent user experience (limited ads, few or no pop-ups or even light boxes these days) etc etc..then you will be back.

Over time - you will rank where your content, links, site age and authority (visitors, good coding etc) deserve you to be.

SEO is about as simple as that.

Fecking hard work - but also pretty darn simple.

Scritty