Using BHW is not easy

[spunweb]

I have been a member since 2015, about a year now. I read in this forum from time to time to get advice on using marketing tools like SENuke and such. But I have a barrier to entry here, and it has to do with the requirements needed to interact with people on this forum.

1. I need a Jr. VIP membership to post in the marketplace. So I go to upgrade, but the only thing on the page is a form, and some information about payment at the bottom. But I don't see any prices, or membership levels, etc. So I hesitate on wasting my time on the form.

2. I need to post 15 posts to be able to post links? I get there is probably a lot of spam here. So I guess what I do is keep lurking.

I would love to participate. I have some questions, and some advice to give. But mostly I want to buy some SEO tools as a package deal. But I just wait and lurk, and I typically do transactions on other forums instead.

Can anyone give me a step by step, and a price on what it takes to be able to interact here?

 

[Zwielicht]

1. The prices are shown in the image below. Jr. VIP is $97/year.

2. Yes, the spam is the reason for the 15 post count requirement.

Just post here if you want to interact with the members. Create an introduction thread, wish people luck on their journeys, ask people to clarify their posts, or just talk to the members here.

 

[blogzandstuff]

I don't understand the difficulty, read - engage - learn - earn what's difficult about that?

 

[grvvash]

i do not feel difficulty

 

[spunweb]

Thanks! I just posted my first two posts. I am now going to start researching the cost/benefits of a membership, and I may sign up.
I really don't sell anything. I have over 30 of my own websites, mostly political. And I typically just want to promote my own sites to get my message out.
Politics doesn't pay for me, it does for some. But for me it is a labor of love.

Thanks for the advice. I will continue to visit, and research, and I may join the ranks soon.

 

[spunweb]

Wow, one thing I can give this site credit for, is that it is active. Look at all of the replies already, after just a few minutes. Thanks everyone!

 

[Zwielicht]

Thanks! I just posted my first two posts. I am now going to start researching the cost/benefits of a membership, and I may sign up.
I really don't sell anything. I have over 30 of my own websites, mostly political. And I typically just want to promote my own sites to get my message out.
Politics doesn't pay for me, it does for some. But for me it is a labor of love.

Thanks for the advice. I will continue to visit, and research, and I may join the ranks soon.

The prices were in the image I posted above. As for the benefits, I've answered those questions before, so I quoted myself below.

How could I have left out this question from my thread this morning?
http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/the-pm-limit-your-other-questions-answered.865736/

Here are the answers:

• Jr. VIP vs premium member benefits: http://support.blackhatworld.com/cu...erence-between-jr-vip-and-premium-membership-
• Enterprise account: http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-enterprise-account.649072/

• You can use/rent out your signature, start a BST, and view the Jr. VIP subforums.
• Yes, there are Jr. VIP-only sections. No, we cannot tell you what's inside them.
• You'll need 60 days, 100 posts ("messages"), and $97. You can upgrade here: http://www.blackhatworld.com/account/upgrades

http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/difference-between-premium-membership-and-jr-vip.790436/

 

[spunweb]

The prices were in the image I posted above. As for the benefits, I've answered those questions before, so I quoted myself below.

Ok that is helpful. So in reality, to get the most benefit out of a JR. VIP account, I will need to spend;

60 days, 100 posts ("messages"), and $97.

Thank you for that. I probably would have been bummed out if I would have bought a membership, before having 100 posts. I will probably keep posting until I have 100 posts, and then I will upgrade.
Thanks for the great advice, this is indepth.

 

[Zwielicht]

Ok that is helpful. So in reality, to get the most benefit out of a JR. VIP account, I will need to spend;



Thank you for that. I probably would have been bummed out if I would have bought a membership, before having 100 posts. I will probably keep posting until I have 100 posts, and then I will upgrade.
Thanks for the great advice, this is indepth.

No problem.

Take your time getting to 100 posts as well. Any messages that come off as spam will be deleted and won't count.

 

[blogzandstuff]

i do not feel difficulty

Medal in the post!

 

[spunweb]

No problem.

Take your time getting to 100 posts as well. Any messages that come off as spam will be deleted and won't count.

Ok, thanks for the tip. I added a review for an item that I bought that I found on this forum. That is the reason that I actually logged into day, is to point out that I bought a bad product from someone.
I guess it is in moderation in "the Shit List". But I do try to contribute valuable information where-ever I post. Although I use SENuke, I actually login to each site that I post to, and I correct my grammar, and rewrite most everything that is posted. I like to live life as a service to others.

Thanks again

 

[PBN.BZ]

glad your getting the hang of this forum! Welcome!

 

[spunweb]

Well thanks. But it looks like I can't really post. I posted a review of a seller that I found on this forum. Waited 3 weeks for it to be approved. It was never approved.
So if I am not welcome here, then I will have to continue to search for a place to learn about SEO. It looks like this won't be that place unfortunately.

 

[spunweb]

I mean do I have to pay $97 per year for my posts to be approved? I don't get what it takes.

To me it sounds like this.

1. I have to have 100 posts approved
2. I have to pay $97 per year

To get full benefits of the site.

However, my posts have to have significant substance to post.
I posted something useful and original, which was a review of a seller that I found on this forum.
But it was not approved. If that doesn't qualify as original and a valid contribution, then I really have nothing more to offer.
I have given business to people on this forum. I have offered reviews of those people (mind you, a review not unlike what others have found common with this seller).
But some how my posts are not approved. In essence, wasting my time.

So I guess I need to know how should I go about getting my contributions approved? Is this a pay to play website?
If so, does everyone here that has paid find that their $97 was worth it?

Thanks

 

[proxygo]

far as i no less some1 can correct me u dont need to be a vip
to reply to a sales thread?

 

[MisterF]

You have to have 100 quality posts, not just inane repeating the same question then pay to upgrade.

Seriously, is it that difficult to understand ?

You do know to access the VIP Lounge, there's also a quite difficult IQ test to take. You must get into double figures at least.

 

[spunweb]

far as i no less some1 can correct me u dont need to be a vip
to reply to a sales thread?

I think you are right. I was allowed to reply, however my post was never approved. I think maybe it is because I had a negative experience with the seller, and the admin did not want to run off a paying member in favor of a non-paying member. The way it appears to work is that when you are a non-paying member, and you reply to a sales ad, your post goes into limbo, until the admin approves it. If it is not a positive review, then apparently it doesn't get approved. Correct me if I am wrong?

 

[spunweb]

You have to have 100 quality posts, not just inane repeating the same question then pay to upgrade.

Seriously, is it that difficult to understand ?

You do know to access the VIP Lounge, there's also a quite difficult IQ test to take. You must get into double figures at least.

Sure, but my point is that I have contributed quality posts, and they never get approved. Im not just going to spam the site with a bunch of crap. I will post when I think I have something important to add. So I do post, and wait for weeks, and my post never gets approved. That appears to be a barrier to entry.

 

[tasburrfoot]

I think you are right. I was allowed to reply, however my post was never approved. I think maybe it is because I had a negative experience with the seller, and the admin did not want to run off a paying member in favor of a non-paying member. The way it appears to work is that when you are a non-paying member, and you reply to a sales ad, your post goes into limbo, until the admin approves it. If it is not a positive review, then apparently it doesn't get approved. Correct me if I am wrong?

Shitlist threads are moderated, so they sit in a moderator queue before being posted to the public, this can take a day or two in some cases, but don't worry it will be reviewed. The reason is to ensure that there is a valid reason for the shitlist, and not just some griping.

The primary benefit of Jr VIP that I can see, is being able to start your own marketplace threads and sell products. You definitely don't need to be a paying member to experience all of the benefits of BHW.

 

[spunweb]

Shitlist threads are moderated, so they sit in a moderator queue before being posted to the public, this can take a day or two in some cases, but don't worry it will be reviewed. The reason is to ensure that there is a valid reason for the shitlist, and not just some griping.

The primary benefit of Jr VIP that I can see, is being able to start your own marketplace threads and sell products. You definitely don't need to be a paying member to experience all of the benefits of BHW.

That's what I figured. I waited for 3 weeks, it never got approved. Maybe my post was not proper, or inane, or in some other way didn't qualify. But if that didn't qualify, then nothing that I have to contribute will ever qualify.
I stated my case, offered my evidence, wrote my post well. But it never got approved, and I never got any notice as to why. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I don't have time to waste posting on a forum when my posts do not get approved.

If this is a taste of what it is like to be a member, then I will not make the leap and spend cash here. Just giving my review of my experience so far.