Giving up US citizenship soon

[Capo Dei Capi]

Thats a pretty big advantage depending on your income streams.....

Also, i'm guessing you have never been outside the US as you have dodged the question twice. I suggest you take a holiday to somewhere you plan to live and see what its actually like there and I suspect that may change your mind.

I've been to the UK.

But it doesn't really benefit much the deductions especially if its a low tax nation and the other nation is a high tax nation.

 

[stharthjw6j]

actually i dont want to get involved in this one.

willyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Shaunm]

I've been to the UK.

I'm from the UK, and I have been to the US and we are very similar as I suspect we are to Canada, Australia and New Zealand but I would also suspect we all have very similar taxation brackets and for good reason.

But the taxes are much higher in the usa, I'll be moving to a lower taxed nation. But if I were to remain a usa citizen I'd still owe taxes to America.

They are so much higher for good reason. Being in America offers you many, many benefits that I honestly don't believe you are appreciating due to you only having traveled to a country with an extremely similar culture to you.

The usa isn't that good anymore ad it used to be.

Anything to back this up? I think you would find with the global economic down turn the majority of counties arnt as good as they used to be.

Come on thats pretty much a straw man argument, bringing up 1 out of 180+ countries to say that 179 are bad.

Syria
Iraq
Iran
Afganistan
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
Palastine
Pakistan
Russia
Jordan
Egypt
Tunisia
Any of these 42....
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0908763.html
Any of these 12....
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themar...hot-spots-as-deaths-linked-to-terrorism-soar/
Any of these 10....
http://www.elist10.com/worlds-top-10-countries-slow-internet-connection/

In addition to those here are places you would be taxed more than in the US depending on your annual income.....
United Kingdom
Belgium
Germany
Denmark
Hungary
Austria
Greece
Ireland
Finland
Japan
The Netherlands
Sweden
Aruba

I'm sure there is some crossover in that list but you get the picture. There are also a fair few that are not on there.

In all honesty to me this thread comes across as immature and spoiled, you don't like jury duty? Would you rather be somewhere with a dictator and be judged at one mans whims? You don't like taxation? Would you rather be somewhere without clean and safe drinking water, hot showers, medical care, medical research or civil war?

There are many, many people on this very forum who would love to live in the US and you are throwing it all away for two stupid reasons I don't think you understand.

yeah right, AFTER US invaded it for no reason.

What US invasion? Are you from Syria? If so, do you enjoy Goverment forces, Rebels and ISIS all fighting each other killing civilians and looting gangs rampaging or would you prefer some stability? If you are not from Syria then please read up on the situation and attempt to understand it as best you can.

 

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[Capo Dei Capi]

Everyone that brings up higher taxes = better services never mentions that the private services you pay yourself are only a fraction of the tax savings. As for worrying about local economics, it doesn't matter if your income is globally sourced.

 

[archon10]

Ah Syria. So much more appealing than the US but you can't leave the house without wearing a hat or the occasional rape and stoning.

My dad did business in Haiti and brought back some pics. Man that place is a shithole.

 

[yesman23]

That's pretty funny because in my home country people would kill to come live over here lol.

 

[Shaunm]

Everyone that brings up higher taxes = better services never mentions that the private services you pay yourself are only a fraction of the tax savings. As for worrying about local economics, it doesn't matter if your income is globally sourced.

Globally sourced from the internet i'm guessing? From a country with potentially unstable internet and power grids? Also, local economics matter more than you think. From what you have stated the type of countries you are looking to move to don't have large stock piles of essential things such as fuel like the more developed nations. Say something does happen to counter ISIS and the price of oil sky rockets as it did at the start of the first gulf war. The new country you live in doesnt have stock piles of prebought oil and it cant afford to purchase it at the new rate. Transportation stops, no food/water/medical supply movements for an unspecified period of time.

Another example, take food....a famine hits the new country you live in and warlords take over control of the food supply such as happened in a number of places in Africa and save it for their own interests.

Another example, a natural disaster such as recently hit Nepal hits, most countries don't anything like FEMA (Not sure of the name, I mean the disaster relief fund in the US.)

Also could you please provide an example of some private services you pay for yourself so I can better understand your comment as it wasnt very clear to me.

Also you failed to reply to the part I quoted below with corrections to a typo in it, is there any chance you could answer it directly so the forum can better understand the quality of life you are willing to accept....

In all honesty to me this thread comes across as immature and spoiled, you don't like jury duty? Would you rather be somewhere with a dictator and be judged at one mans whims? You don't like taxation? Would you rather be somewhere without clean and safe drinking water, hot showers, medical care, medical research or with a civil war raging?

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

You keep trying to make it seem like every country besides the USA is some run down place, which is bogus. I'm not talking about moving to nation in crisis like Syria and Iraq but to an EU nation.

 

[Shaunm]

You keep trying to make it seem like every country besides the USA is some run down place, which is bogus. I'm not talking about moving to nation in crisis like Syria and Iraq but to an EU nation.

These are all relatively developed places that I have previously pointed out to you quoted below.....none necessarily ran down as you say but where you would pay an increased rate of tax than you would in the USA. Personally I think there are better places than the USA, the UK, Germany and Austria to name some I have been to/lived in.

Just because a nation is in the EU does not mean it is developed, economically stable or have stable power and internet, look at Greece for example they are close to being kicked out of the EU.

In addition to those here are places you would be taxed more than in the US depending on your annual income.....
United Kingdom
Belgium
Germany
Denmark
Hungary
Austria
Greece
Ireland
Finland
Japan
The Netherlands
Sweden
Aruba

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

Bulgaria is in the EU and has great internet very low taxes and the economy is stable and growing.

 

[Shaunm]

Bulgaria is in the EU and has great internet very low taxes and the economy is stable and growing.

I have just read up a bit on Bulgaria and from what I had time to read it does sound like a gem right now.

 

[artificial_genius]

Bulgaria is in the EU and has great internet very low taxes and the economy is stable and growing.

Do you speak Bulgarian? If not do you plan on learning Bulgarian anytime soon?

 

[cottonwolf]

anyone care to post some tit pictures here to make this thread more serious?
please..

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

Do you speak Bulgarian? If not do you plan on learning Bulgarian anytime soon?

I'll be going to a school to learn it once I'm there.

 

[BreaknBrix]

I'll be going to a school to learn it once I'm there.

Bulgaria is in a state of demographic crisis.[SUP][270][/SUP][SUP][271][/SUP] It has had negative population growth since the early 1990s, when the economic collapse caused a long-lasting emigration wave.[SUP][272][/SUP] Some 937,000 to 1,200,000 people—mostly young adults—left the country by 2005.[SUP][272][/SUP][SUP][273][/SUP] The total fertility rate (TFR) was estimated in 2013 at 1.43 children born/woman, which is below the replacement rate of 2.1.[SUP][274][/SUP] A third of all households consist of only one person and 75.5 per cent of families do not have children under the age of 16.[SUP][271][/SUP] Consequently, population growth and birth rates are among the lowest in the world[SUP][275][/SUP][SUP][276][/SUP] while death rates are among the highest.[SUP][277][/SUP] The majority of children are born to unmarried women (of all births 57.4 per cent were outside marriage in 2012).[SUP][278][/SUP] Bulgaria ranks 113th globally by average life expectancy, which stands at 73.6 years for both genders.[SUP][279][/SUP] The primary causes of death are similar to those in other industrialised countries, mainly cardiovascular diseases, neoplasms and respiratory diseases.[SUP][280]
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Bulgaria has a universal healthcare system financed by taxes and contributions.[SUP][280][/SUP] The National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) pays a gradually increasing portion of the costs of primary healthcare.[SUP][281][/SUP] Projected healthcare expenditures for 2013 amount to 4.1 per cent of GDP.[SUP][282][/SUP] The number of doctors is above the EU average with 181 physicians per 100,000 people,[SUP][283][/SUP] but distribution by fields of practice is uneven, there is a severe shortage of nurses and other medical personnel, and the quality of most medical facilities is poor.[SUP][284][/SUP] Personnel shortages in some fields are so severe that patients resort to seeking treatment in neighboring countries.[SUP][285]


[/SUP]I'm not a cultured person by any means but Bulgaria doesn't sound very tempting to live. Not many young people. Some of the highest death rates in the world. Poor medical facilities. You're gonna wind up going in with a toothache and leaving with an arm missing.

In all seriousness though.... I can't understand how people travel back and forth and live in so many different areas around the world. Maybe it's because I was born in the US and have a large Italian family. Its part of Italian culture to stay close to your family and your roots. Like I have 4 brothers, 2 parents, 3 cousins, an aunt, uncle and god knows who else all living within a 20 mile radius of my home. It's something I take for granted but when I drive around my area I always seem to be passing by a family members home. And there is something very special and unique about that. Something I could never turn my back on.

I understand not everybody has a huge family, but even if I didn't have a large family I still couldn't move to another county.

I'd feel like a loner.
A stranger.
A person with no real place to call "home".
I wouldn't understand the culture and wouldn't want to understand it.
Everyone around me would be "weird".
I'd quite literally feel like an alien.

With all that said, I still think it's cool that dudes can just up and leave to live in another country. Like I'd love to live in Thailand for 3 months. Or even the UK. But I think I'm somewhat of a baby. Cause my parents are both above 70. And I feel like if I go anywhere.... and something happens to them I could never forgive myself for not being here.

Either way OP. Where ever you do wind up going I hope you truly enjoy it and have no regrets.

-BB

 

[archon10]

The only country I'd entertain is the UK because it's just as rich and the land of opportunity as it is in the US. But then I'd pay 40% taxes. I know I'm spoiled as hell and have so much here. I take it for granted every day. I can't even imagine living in some shithole with no Internet and crap doctors. Doctors aren't important until you're in pain.

My friend is Hungarian and he told me I could live like a king in Hungary with my salary but it's definitely not the US. He lives in the US for a reason.

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

1. There are private hospitals in Bulgaria
2. Private Local Insurance + Private International Plan is cheaper than in the states
3. Life expectancy stats are mostly bullshit(I'm not going to go out and start smoking and drinking because its more common in a nation.)

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

The only country I'd entertain is the UK because it's just as rich and the land of opportunity as it is in the US. But then I'd pay 40% taxes. I know I'm spoiled as hell and have so much here. I take it for granted every day. I can't even imagine living in some shithole with no Internet and crap doctors. Doctors aren't important until you're in pain.

My friend is Hungarian and he told me I could live like a king in Hungary with my salary but it's definitely not the US. He lives in the US for a reason.

You don't need to live in a country to seek the benefits of its market place. You can own a business in the UK or the USA and dozens of other countries without being a citizen or living there.

 

[ORM]

1. There are private hospitals in Bulgaria
2. Private Local Insurance + Private International Plan is cheaper than in the states
3. Life expectancy stats are mostly bullshit(I'm not going to go out and start smoking and drinking because its more common in a nation.)

I have met quite a few women from Bulgaria. Not sure if it was just a coincidence but they all were damn hot.