CB Shaving International Affiliates

True, my evidence is not satisfactory.
But the truth is also that few more international affiliates showed up in this thread and shared very disturbing stats...

YET there wasn't a single international affiliate who would come and show some encouraging stats, so we can say - ah yes, this guy lives overseas and still his stats seem realistic - not a single one came...
Mancar came, but he is Vendor, not Affiliate, so even though he is very experienced with CB, all he wrote here was not related to the topic at all.

Actually, I understand that most people on this forum do not sell their own products, so it's difficult for them to know how different kind of sales pages convert, they do not have their own stats. I have these stats, and believe me if I showed you my PayPal summary for any day, you would understand I had a LOT of statistics to look at and compare from.
Therefore, I stick to my original statement, and warn anybody living in Europe, especially in non-English speaking countries, to avoid working with CB as an affiliate.

Here is an interesting CB journey thread....
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ssions/736030-clickbank-journey-4k-month.html

I believe he is away from USA....You can check with him OP!
 
But the truth is also that few more international affiliates showed up in this thread and shared very disturbing stats...

YET there wasn't a single international affiliate who would come and show some encouraging stats, so we can say - ah yes, this guy lives overseas and still his stats seem realistic - not a single one came...

Drumroll, please!

[the proof that CB allows to make good money was here, no point in keeping it public anymore]

That's from 1 February till today.

Your conversion is low because either your traffic is non targetted/doesn't have a buying intent or the offer has a low converting landing page.
 
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The only reason why I am still working with them is that I miss a single sale to meet my payment threshold and get money from them again.
However, it seems like they will never credit me this sale, or at least squeeze me as much as they can :). I will wait one more week and if the sale is not there I'll stop promoting and just let them to keep the change...

You are a hypocrite!

How can you say to otthers to say away from CB when you are still working with CB?

And yes ultimately its the best to have your own product your own sale page at your own domain.
 
The bulk of my affiliates are not in the US actually (I know my top ones are from UK, Hong Kong and Mexico), so yes I do know what I am talking about.

Yes, many people fail on their first attempt at clickbank because they don't know what they're doing (bad traffic or crap product), but usually they will realize that something may not be right from their side, and they come here and ask questions. Those of us who have been in the game for a while will help them as best as we can (sometimes the answer lies in promoting a different product, sometimes they are using a ppc platform that does not convert, sometimes their video lacks a call to action, sometimes their targeting is subpar, etc etc). They will take our advice, and viola, a few days later they'll come back are report that sales have starting coming in.

You are the first one that just because your first attempt has failed (you have said it yourself that you are promoting just one product) has came here guns blazing and claimed that CB is stealing ALL your commissions. With this kind of attitude I can tell you 100% that you will fail at IM, irrespective of which platform you choose for your promotion. I say this with the best intentions. Do yourself a favour, and don't waste your time at IM; it just isnt for you.

Mancar
 
Mancar, how do you know that I never promoted another CB product before? Can you tell me where I shared such an information? And who told you that this was my first venture in IM? Can you tell? And most importantly, who told you that CB is my main focus in IM? Where did you read that?

The fact that other people do not come here boosting about their sales and relationships with affiliates like you do in all the threads you contribute to, does not mean that other people here do not make money from IM... Maybe much more than you do with much less work.

CB was an experiment for me. But everything I have experienced, that means "quality" of the platform itself, choice of "vendors", transparency, availability of "analytics", level of actual products being sold there as well as "sales pages", rights of affiliates and access to information, etc. was simply bad, sometimes even ridiculous. Shaving was just a last drop...

But it's like that, IM is still a young business field, therefore completely crappy companies like CB, or Flippa for example, can be market leaders in their respective areas. They were first, and first one typically takes the prize. At least for some time.

I wished people here were more creative, have their eyes open, look for different ways, do not make themselves slaves to companies like Clickbank... But unluckily for them, members like you do not help them in this aspect at all, even though having good intentions. My intentions are different than yours, and therefore we will probably never agree on a thread about CB. But it is just okay, until you turn the thread to knid of "you failed" "you will not succeed in IM", "I am king, I know everything, you know nothing", "IM is not for you" thing and making up things about me that aren't true. Than it is not okay anymore, and you should think about yourself, because apparently you have a problem.

The bulk of my affiliates are not in the US actually (I know my top ones are from UK, Hong Kong and Mexico), so yes I do know what I am talking about.

Yes, many people fail on their first attempt at clickbank because they don't know what they're doing (bad traffic or crap product), but usually they will realize that something may not be right from their side, and they come here and ask questions. Those of us who have been in the game for a while will help them as best as we can (sometimes the answer lies in promoting a different product, sometimes they are using a ppc platform that does not convert, sometimes their video lacks a call to action, sometimes their targeting is subpar, etc etc). They will take our advice, and viola, a few days later they'll come back are report that sales have starting coming in.

You are the first one that just because your first attempt has failed (you have said it yourself that you are promoting just one product) has came here guns blazing and claimed that CB is stealing ALL your commissions. With this kind of attitude I can tell you 100% that you will fail at IM, irrespective of which platform you choose for your promotion. I say this with the best intentions. Do yourself a favour, and don't waste your time at IM; it just isnt for you.

Mancar
 
... (you have said it yourself that you are promoting just one product) ...


Mancar, how do you know that I never promoted another CB product before?


This


The product my stats were about has a very good sales page, based on my personal experience. Experience means that I use similar sales pages for products I sell without third party involvement, so know perfectly sales/SP visits Order form visits/SP visits, Sales/OF visits ratio, and other stats. It's all in my analytics...


That's why I believe my calculation, for this particular case, that at least one of 200 hops must result to a sale is quite accurate. And bear in mind I am not native speaker, so their sales page is better than mine, at least when it comes to stylistics and avoiding grammar mistake here and there.

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... does not mean that other people here do not make money from IM... Maybe much more than you do with much less work...

You are the one who is saying this. I'm saying the exact opposite: I personally know a lot of people who are making LOTS of money online, including through CB, and many of them more then me yes. My top affiliates for example, make more than me as they get 75% of all sales, while we keep 25% and that is split among the team. And I agree that likely they achieve this with less work than I do, since we have to take care of all aspect of the product involving customer care and consultations. But that's what I've been saying all along...
 
Another point you made is that I don't know how my affiliates are. Obviously you don't know me and have never worked with me because I make it a point to get to know each and everyone of my affiliates.
 
Another point you made is that I don't know how my affiliates are. Obviously you don't know me and have never worked with me because I make it a point to get to know each and everyone of my affiliates.

Reported as being a Bot
 
my sALES GOES DOWN also for two weeks same traffic same hops
 
I don't think CB did it, it would be great if someone is a vendor selling his own product, he can check if CB rob his money
 
also amazon and cpa networks are shaving international affiliates leads
 
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I experienced the same situation over and over again and I just moved on to other affiliate networks over time. I just could not believe how people would not buy my product with good, easy to read landing page, good item and going through an ad which was plain simple what they were looking for in search engine for the first place. But I doubt it is this shaving tactic, all networks and all products I have taken on gave me no income, this means it is my landing page or something, I cannot really figure it out, I went through a lot of fixing and variations, no one of which worked. I did my journey topic few weeks ago and I barely hanging out there, still trying to make the impossible - to get steady income working online.
I am international publisher and I made about 15$ in a few months.
 
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