serpmover2014
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Clickbank doesnt need your little $50 sale buddy they got BILLIONS. It is YOU that has to wake up...
CB Shaving International Affiliates
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Clickbank doesnt need your little $50 sale buddy they got BILLIONS. It is YOU that has to wake up...
meannn
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lol, lets fix it; ALL INTL AFFILIATES X $50
Kikerinka
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Surely, because not a single big AFF network shaves, you can count on every service provider on BHW, and Mancar changes messages with every single affiliate on a daily basis, so he exactly knows how much everyone gets paid every week and invites them all to a party once a month and pays a hooker for everyone...
You guys live in a dream... Even in offline business people don't pay for what has been done, or do not do what they've been paid for, even though they know they can be sued, face legal problems etc.
Then in an online business, such as CB, where one has all the control and only they run all the stats and process the sales, so they can leave some commissions for themselves without everyone EVER having a chance to find out, surely, everybody there is honest and owners and account managers at CB are SAINTS.
And yes, "very well observed", when someone has 200 hops a day for a period of a month and does not make a single sale, surely the only reason why that is possible is because he has a shitty traffic and isn't a superb online guru like you. Or, like some "expert" wrote before, maybe he used a bad affiliate name or has a "cookie problem".
Wilson Grant Fisk
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wizard04
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Hold on ...
... that post is from November, so why the thread now?
lol and he is calling me a complete newbie.OP did you ever heard about sales page? make one!
Anyway I don't know why people are still trying to convince OP that CB is not stealing, when he is to arrogant to believe he is not right and that he is doing something wrong.
Jyeshtha
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OP, are you experiencing this situation with the product from the time you started promoting it? If yes, then the product is shit and you don't know that.
I agree with K.H.R, you can show the details so you get some expert advice if you need to promote them or not.
But, I guess it's better if you show product itself when the product is not working well, so others can avoid them and don't show the product if you're planning to stick on with them even after this happened.
I agree with K.H.R, you can show the details so you get some expert advice if you need to promote them or not.
But, I guess it's better if you show product itself when the product is not working well, so others can avoid them and don't show the product if you're planning to stick on with them even after this happened.
Freddyjames
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This is not proof of shaving - it is proof of either a crappy product, crappy traffic or simply bad luck. 1000 hops is nothing - even Mike Geary says 3000 hops is the minimum he lets a campaign run before drawing any conclusions.
I get traffic from many sources and many affiliates and their results vary wildly. One affiliate I have, so far, has sent over 10,000 hops to my sales page and has had just 4 sales.
Another has had the same amount of sales in just 32 hops.
Clickbank does not shave, there is no point in them doing it - they get the same amount of $ regardless of who makes the sale.
Clickbank is also not a small operation - it is the 19th most profitable website on the entire internet (google it) and makes over $11 per second! There is no way that they would jeopardize that income, just the same as Amazon or Facebook wouldn't.
In my opinion, this thread is a perfect example of somebody who wishes to blame everbody else for their problems, instead of focussing on the positive and working towards the goals they have.
He/she has learned a valuable lesson but has ignored it and chosen to be negative - The lesson is what they're doing is not working and needs re-evaluating - the most successful people in this world are those who do this the most.
Basically, the only person stopping the OP from being successful on Clickbank, is the OP.
I get traffic from many sources and many affiliates and their results vary wildly. One affiliate I have, so far, has sent over 10,000 hops to my sales page and has had just 4 sales.
Another has had the same amount of sales in just 32 hops.
Clickbank does not shave, there is no point in them doing it - they get the same amount of $ regardless of who makes the sale.
Clickbank is also not a small operation - it is the 19th most profitable website on the entire internet (google it) and makes over $11 per second! There is no way that they would jeopardize that income, just the same as Amazon or Facebook wouldn't.
In my opinion, this thread is a perfect example of somebody who wishes to blame everbody else for their problems, instead of focussing on the positive and working towards the goals they have.
He/she has learned a valuable lesson but has ignored it and chosen to be negative - The lesson is what they're doing is not working and needs re-evaluating - the most successful people in this world are those who do this the most.
Basically, the only person stopping the OP from being successful on Clickbank, is the OP.
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mancar487
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Hold on ...
... that post is from November, so why the thread now?
BUSTED! Thanks W130SN, I was going to waste my time again trying to help the OP understand where his problem may lie, but it is obvious he either has a personal agenda against CB or is just bitter his one attempt with them failed (maybe he bought one of those 'I'll send you a million real visitors to your page' from fiverr and is disappointed he didnt become a millionaire from it)...
cpa-marketing
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I sold him that fiverr gig, it's not my problem he didn't become a millionair :/
HoNeYBiRD
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OP, have you considered the possibility that not CB, but that particular vendor the one, who shaves your ass off, if there was any shaving at all and not your crap traffic is to blame? i don't really have experience with CB, but if shaving occurs on a CPA network for instance, it happens on the advertisers end in most cases and not the network itself which is responsible
i can't really agree with your generalization that networks shave international pubs, but not US pubs, being an international pub myself, i can assure you about that this is not true at all
more than likely what you need to do is switch offer/product to promote within the same network, which is CB in this case or send better traffic
i can't really agree with your generalization that networks shave international pubs, but not US pubs, being an international pub myself, i can assure you about that this is not true at all
more than likely what you need to do is switch offer/product to promote within the same network, which is CB in this case or send better traffic
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GroundUp
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You can't say that x amounts of hops with x amount of sales equals shaving. There is no set rule of thumb saying that if I get 200 hops I should get a sale. Your hops could be shit non targeted traffic. You may think you are targeting. But you need to tweak it and work at it.
Also if your sales drop off. It could be for many reasons. Maybe someone else has upped their game and got some of your sales. A new product could have launched and hit the market. Etc etc
id say it would be pretty difficult to find out if a network was shaving.
Im not saying they are not shaving. Cause IMO cb are money grabbers. It would just be difficult to prove 100% unless you know someone who is on the inside or has been.
Also if your sales drop off. It could be for many reasons. Maybe someone else has upped their game and got some of your sales. A new product could have launched and hit the market. Etc etc
id say it would be pretty difficult to find out if a network was shaving.
Im not saying they are not shaving. Cause IMO cb are money grabbers. It would just be difficult to prove 100% unless you know someone who is on the inside or has been.
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Kikerinka
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What is "busted" about that?
I visited countless sales pages of CB products, and the fact that 95% of sales pages there sucks doesn't mean all do.
The product my stats were about has a very good sales page, based on my personal experience. Experience means that I use similar sales pages for products I sell without third party involvement, so know perfectly sales/SP visits Order form visits/SP visits, Sales/OF visits ratio, and other stats. It's all in my analytics...
That's why I believe my calculation, for this particular case, that at least one of 200 hops must result to a sale is quite accurate. And bear in mind I am not native speaker, so their sales page is better than mine, at least when it comes to stylistics and avoiding grammar mistake here and there.
The purpose of this thread was to warn people from outside the US to waste their time bothering with CB, as I believe it shaves international affiliates. But it changed to something completely different, with some CB advocates and BHW "Gurus" joining the discussion. Maybe experienced there, maybe affiliated, but with very little sense in reading and understanding - be it as it is...
I still suggest anyone who is outside of the US to avoid CB completely. Take it as the very last option. IF you have traffic, you can monetize it much better.
I visited countless sales pages of CB products, and the fact that 95% of sales pages there sucks doesn't mean all do.
The product my stats were about has a very good sales page, based on my personal experience. Experience means that I use similar sales pages for products I sell without third party involvement, so know perfectly sales/SP visits Order form visits/SP visits, Sales/OF visits ratio, and other stats. It's all in my analytics...
That's why I believe my calculation, for this particular case, that at least one of 200 hops must result to a sale is quite accurate. And bear in mind I am not native speaker, so their sales page is better than mine, at least when it comes to stylistics and avoiding grammar mistake here and there.
The purpose of this thread was to warn people from outside the US to waste their time bothering with CB, as I believe it shaves international affiliates. But it changed to something completely different, with some CB advocates and BHW "Gurus" joining the discussion. Maybe experienced there, maybe affiliated, but with very little sense in reading and understanding - be it as it is...
I still suggest anyone who is outside of the US to avoid CB completely. Take it as the very last option. IF you have traffic, you can monetize it much better.
Wilson Grant Fisk
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When making a statement like that, then you need to provide proof.
The evidence you have provided has fallen short, that is all we are saying.
Kikerinka
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Yes, I am. Lot of hops, no sale since my OP...
Shortly I will create very similar product on my own, create a very similar sales page and sell it without being a slave of CB, whose managers most likely do not even know where my country lies on the map of the world!
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Take it as it is, I am tired of this American company and all their business activities. My EPC on sites directing to CB is even worse than EPC on sites monetized with Adsense... What more to say?
If you want, shoot me a PM in April, I will tell you how I am doing selling the product myself. I am sure I will meet my estimation of 1 sale/ 200 hops with no problem.
Shortly I will create very similar product on my own, create a very similar sales page and sell it without being a slave of CB, whose managers most likely do not even know where my country lies on the map of the world!
... Take it as it is, I am tired of this American company and all their business activities. My EPC on sites directing to CB is even worse than EPC on sites monetized with Adsense... What more to say?
If you want, shoot me a PM in April, I will tell you how I am doing selling the product myself. I am sure I will meet my estimation of 1 sale/ 200 hops with no problem.
Kikerinka
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True, my evidence is not satisfactory.
But the truth is also that few more international affiliates showed up in this thread and shared very disturbing stats...
YET there wasn't a single international affiliate who would come and show some encouraging stats, so we can say - ah yes, this guy lives overseas and still his stats seem realistic - not a single one came...
Mancar came, but he is Vendor, not Affiliate, so even though he is very experienced with CB, all he wrote here was not related to the topic at all.
Actually, I understand that most people on this forum do not sell their own products, so it's difficult for them to know how different kind of sales pages convert, they do not have their own stats. I have these stats, and believe me if I showed you my PayPal summary for any day, you would understand I had a LOT of statistics to look at and compare from.
Therefore, I stick to my original statement, and warn anybody living in Europe, especially in non-English speaking countries, to avoid working with CB as an affiliate.
But the truth is also that few more international affiliates showed up in this thread and shared very disturbing stats...
YET there wasn't a single international affiliate who would come and show some encouraging stats, so we can say - ah yes, this guy lives overseas and still his stats seem realistic - not a single one came...
Mancar came, but he is Vendor, not Affiliate, so even though he is very experienced with CB, all he wrote here was not related to the topic at all.
Actually, I understand that most people on this forum do not sell their own products, so it's difficult for them to know how different kind of sales pages convert, they do not have their own stats. I have these stats, and believe me if I showed you my PayPal summary for any day, you would understand I had a LOT of statistics to look at and compare from.
Therefore, I stick to my original statement, and warn anybody living in Europe, especially in non-English speaking countries, to avoid working with CB as an affiliate.
wizard04
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Yes, I am. Lot of hops, no sale since my OP...
Shortly I will create very similar product on my own, create a very similar sales page and sell it without being a slave of CB, whose managers most likely do not even know where my country lies on the map of the world!
Take it as it is, I am tired of this American company and all their business activities. My EPC on sites directing to CB is even worse than EPC on sites monetized with Adsense... What more to say?
If you want, shoot me a PM in April, I will tell you how I am doing selling the product myself. I am sure I will meet my estimation of 1 sale/ 200 hops with no problem.
You are a hypocrite!
How can you say to otthers to say away from CB when you are still working with CB?
And yes ultimately its the best to have your own product your own sale page at your own domain.