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CB Shaving International Affiliates

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by Kikerinka, Feb 24, 2015.

  1. Kikerinka

    Kikerinka Senior Member

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    If you are from outside the US, I would suggest you to avoid promoting Clickbank products at all. The reason is simple: they shave international affiliates pretty badly. Just look at my stats below:
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    How do I know that they shave international affiliates? Well, I sell many products on my own, without any third party involvement. So I know very well which sales pages convert and which don't, what average conversion rates on different kind of sales pages and order pages are, how to refer people to product page so they are likely to buy it, etc.

    The CB product I promote has an excellent sales page and order page too. No mistakes at all, written by native speaker, very convincing. Based on my experience, I am pretty sure that in worst possible scenario, one of hundreds hops would convert for this offer... Yet in my stats, even not one in a thousand converts! That's a high class shaving really...

    Why can they afford shaving international affiliates like this?
    It is pretty simple - you can't sue them in any way, you have no power over them living outside of the US, you are just nobody to them. Actually, it's similar with many other aff networks, who treat US affiliates normally, but shave international one badly.

    So, be careful before you start investing any time or money into promoting CB products. If you're not an American, it will be most likely just a waste of time and money.
     
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    wizard04 Elite Member

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    Or you are just promoting a product that doesn't convert.

    CB does not gain anything from shaving you except loosing affiliates.
     
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    I feel the same for cj
     
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    share4win Power Member

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    I don't think it's true buddy! Attached SS is my yesterday's statistics and got 1 sale + 1 upsale from just 6 Hop Counts. And I'm from INDIA.....May be you need to think out of box before spending this much of amount in promoting a single product.

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  5. Kikerinka

    Kikerinka Senior Member

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    Good numbers, but one swallow doesn't make a summer... What about your long terms stats, e.g. one weeks or two weeks?
     
  6. Kikerinka

    Kikerinka Senior Member

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    Have you read the entire post, or just clicked on the picture?
    This product converts, I know it, because I sell similar products on my own. Their sales page is stellar too...

    And don't you know that CB is responsible for processing the transaction and distributing the money, not the product owner? If they do not credit the fee to the affiliate, they can keep it themselves. So it's foolish to believe they gain nothing from shaving. Time to wake up!
     
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    mahan_eesh Regular Member

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    Well this is something new! You can contact them ask questions on this. I'm sure they might be having a legitimate solution before you assume that they are shaving affiliates!
     
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    I agree....Instead of promoting a single product, I have built a landing page to get leads, offering a free e-book in my niche as an exchange for their e-mail, built a website in the same niche. Currently, I have around 10 posts more of them are product reviews in the same niche. I've collected around 50 leads in past two weeks (9% conversion rate..i believe it's a good number) and sent them my first email by yesterday about one product in my niche......The sale number which you've seen in my previous SS is from that conversion....It's not a big number and yes only one sale, but the method which are experts are saying here still works...instead of directing customers to sellers own page....

    I appreciate the experts' thought here...
     
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  9. wizard04

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    Yes I did read it.
    You are only assuming that is converting because in you opinion the CB sales page is great.

    I don't know why people always pointing the fingers on someone else if the fail in something.
    There are numbers of reasons why this is happening to you.
    1. The traffic is not targeted
    2. The traffic sucks (facebook traffic in most cases sucks big time from fanpages)
    3. Cookie problems
    4. Writing wrongly your affiliate name.

    There are many reasons, but yeah its always easier to point he finger on someone else.
     
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  10. Kikerinka

    Kikerinka Senior Member

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    Thank you for your reply, it is very interesting. I like your idea of building the list and building trust with quality freebies. Without a doubt it is a much better strategy than to just blindly send people to offers. Well done!
    However, you should know that I own more than thirty websites and the few on which I promote this CB product are very high quality and super targeted. Just the freebie isn't there :).

    Interested to see more opinions of international affiliates. Keep it coming, I may write to CB too.

     
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    Writing wrongly an affiliate name? Cookie problems?? Not targeted traffic???
    Are you a complete newbie, or you consider me to be? Go to Warrior Forum if you really believe that such are the reasons. That is the place to discuss such.

    There can hardly be more targeted traffic as the one I send to this offer. It's all from my own websites. No FB, no Yahoo Answers, no Parasites, nothing like that.
     
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    The numbers are indeed disturbing OP give it couple of days if its still the same move on to other product, Luck plays an important role
     
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    I simply hate to read when people just blindly excuse traffic as being terrible. For the person who says fb traffic sucks its evident you don't know how to properly convert cold traffic hence your comment.. Trust me Fb traffic is one of the top tier traffics out there for a reason. i am pretty sure op has a legitimate concern about his traffic. For some reason people has a false ideology that Shaving doesn't happen whether its clickbank or some cpa networks or an advertiser. It can happen anywhere....
     
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    IT'S FUCKING TRUE... last few days from 1k/day i went to ~$100/day... wtf?? I even hit my hops record yesterday.. but sales went down dramatically.. and traffic is laser targeted.. fuck that shit. P.S. Same shit happened last year at this time also.. there's only one solution, create new clickbank account.
     
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    For the umpteen time...Clickbank does NOT shave and I have the proof:


    Among our products, we've got three well-established ones that have been generating strong sales since 2012. For these 3 products, we offer free personal consultations to each customer. Now, when they email us, before getting them in touch with our health consultant, we ask them to supply their clickbank receipt number to verify their purchase. Since 2012, not a single purchase was 'missing' or not attributed to an affiliate. Keep in mind that each of these products generates well over 40 sales per day, so you can imagine the volume I am talking about. If clickbank was shaving, I would know it.


    If your traffic is high-quality and targeted, yet you are getting those crap conversion rates, than the product's conversion rate is crap - promote another one. Just because you think the sales page is stellar and you feel it should convert in theory, it does not mean it will convert in practice. I've seen countless high-caliber expertly written sales pages not work when tested on real traffic.

    P.S. I'm not American or living in the US either...

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  16. Kikerinka

    Kikerinka Senior Member

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    Mancar, I am sorry that a member like you did not understand the situation. I will put it in simple words for you...

    1. You are a vendor, so CB affiliates sell your products to clients.
    2. Your clients, people who purchased, of course get their receipt from CB they can show to you.
    3. However, this says nothing about the fact if your affiliates, that means guys like I who may promote your health products, have been paid for each sale they generated for you.

    Unless you whitelist affiliates, what I hardly doubt you do, because practically 0 vendors do that, you can't know who are your affiliates and if all the sales were really attributed to them.
    But I understand you advocate CB, as any platinum vendor would do... On the other hand, it is not right to confuse people here.


     
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    So, you think it's not true? look at this stas:

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    Yeah, that's more than 200 hops per day and 0 sales.
    BTW, I'm from Spain
     
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  18. mancar487

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    lol I can assure you that I understand very well how it works, no need to "put it in simple words" for me thank you.

    So according to you, clickbank will attribute sales to 'fake affiliates'? Eg if I see that a particular sale was attributed to an affiliate with ID "joedoe1"...you are saying that "joedoe1" may not exist and that it may be fake id written by clickbank so they get to keep that % of the earnings?

    Also, are you aware of how strict CB actually is in the types of products they accept on their platforms? And how many products they have banned? And how many disclaimers and ftc regulations they make vendors go through to get accepted?
    They do this to ensure they keep a good standing with regulating bodies such as FTC...yet according to you, they will 'fake' affiliate IDs so that they get to keep their earnings?

    Another point you made is that I don't know how my affiliates are. Obviously you don't know me and have never worked with me because I make it a point to get to know each and everyone of my affiliates. That's been the 'secret' of my success from day one - developing a relationship with my affiliates. Well so far, I've never had an issue with ghost/non-existent affiliates...

    I can assure you clickbank does NOT shave. If you are not generating sales, do an honest evaluation of your methods and/or product - somewhere in there there is something that is not right/not being done right. Don't blame clickbank if your current method is not working out.

    Mancar
     
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  19. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    OP, ClickBank isn't some small operation run by a kid from his mom's basement. If they shaved it would kill their operation overnight.


    It doesn't matter how many hops you show without a sale, I can show you an account with thousands of hops and no sales.
    Shit Traffic sent to a shit product = NO Sales.
     
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  20. K.H.R

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    You should know,Good Product Converts Best.

    Can you please show the Product Stats ? Dont need to show the Product name.

    So that we can be sure how CB Shaved you.