Paypal message Is this good or bad?

Heraldorks49 said:
Update: So a few days ago they asked me for documentation that was unbiased. I sent it and they sent me this message today.

"We received your fax. However, the document provided does not meet our requirements.
The requested document should clearly detail the extent of the damage or clearly explain how the item received significantly differs from the item

advertised. Also, we are unable to verify the named gemologist, and his contact telephone number.


In addition, the document you provided is somewhat unclear, and too dark to read."


My big worry and question is will they actually call the gemologist? I dont want to put a gemologist number on there and then he will ruin the case and say he doesnt know what he is talking about.

It said verify so do they search for the gemeologist or was that another way of saying they couldnt read the gemolgist name because of the darkness?

Please let me know asap

Is anyone here a licensed gemogist that would help me out for compenstation?
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Why are you worried about the company ruining your chances for a claim? :)
If it's damaged or not as described then the company only has to state the truth and PayPal can verify
your claim is legit.
 
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rabbitking said:
Why are you worried about the company ruining your chances for a claim? :)
If it's damaged or not as described then the company only has to state the truth and PayPal can verify
your claim is legit.
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Did u read the thread? I took a random company and gemologist and put their name and number on there.

I forged documents so i can advoid payin $200 for a real evaluation.
 
BassTrackerBoats said:
It I would think that a trip to a local jeweler explaining the whole situation could get you what you need for the price of a "Thank you for helping me out".
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No reputable business person would assist with fraud. Not worth risking going out of business for it.

BassTrackerBoats said:
That is just speculation but I would have to believe that you could sweet talk your way to a free assay by sharing what you are sharing here.
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The problem is, if you do a fire assay, you have to chip off pieces to melt it down, and you can't return anything that's not in original condition. The problem I see is that the OP made a dumb move by buying a $900 purchase with $300 shipping charge and now is pissed that they're not going to refund the shipping charge, and he made it worse by trying to file fraudulent paperwork with paypal.
 
toml3030 said:
No reputable business person would assist with fraud. Not worth risking going out of business for it.



The problem is, if you do a fire assay, you have to chip off pieces to melt it down, and you can't return anything that's not in original condition. The problem I see is that the OP made a dumb move by buying a $900 purchase with $300 shipping charge and now is pissed that they're not going to refund the shipping charge, and he made it worse by trying to file fraudulent paperwork with paypal.
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2 different transactions buddy
 
toml3030 said:
then why not just return as a "not as described" and get a refund? Why file false paperwork? Are you trying to keep the item and get a refund too?
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Because the guy doesn't accept returns
 
toml3030 said:
No reputable business person would assist with fraud. Not worth risking going out of business for it.
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I was actually suggesting that he get an assay as a favor from a jeweler... I should have been more specific. I did a quick Google search and it looks like it is about 40.00 - 60.00 on average but a local business might do it as a good will gesture.

The problem is, if you do a fire assay, you have to chip off pieces to melt it down,
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Did not know that... my experience with precious metals has always been in the commodity sector and I never took physical possession.

Glad you pointed that out; I learned something.
 
BassTrackerBoats said:
I was actually suggesting that he get an assay as a favor from a jeweler...
sure, they might tell him as a favor, but they're not going to want to put their reputation on line by signing some document

BassTrackerBoats said:
Did not know that... my experience with precious metals has always been in the commodity sector and I never took physical possession.
If you're dealing with significant amount of PM, always take physical delivery and put it in a safety deposit box or something. History says that if #$@! hits the fan, the government will confiscate it if they can grab it.

Anyhoo, they have electrical resistance testers now that are accurate, but I don't know if people will sign documents saying something is fake based on that.
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Okay time to go ahead and put what I really think on here since you created so many
threads related to this issue.

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/ebay/744225-will-ebay-link-me-ask.html

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/ebay/744344-paypal-message-good-bad.html

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/ebay/744181-knowledge-needed-ebay-problems-solutions.html

It looks like to me you are buying high end Jewelry with a stealth eBay account and now you
are charging back on the seller. Furthermore you are worried that the official company who inspects
your product will ruin your charge back if PayPal contacts them.

You know what that sounds like to me? Buyer Fraud. :)
Not trying to judge or make assumptions here, but dude you fit the perfect scenario of being a fraudulent
buyer. I bet you money PayPal is seeing it this way too.

First, you shouldn't be worried what the certified company says to PayPal if this whole process has credibility
to it. So by adding up all of your threads I am smelling something, and its not roses. :D
 
toml3030 said:
Doesn't matter what the guy says. eBay forces a seller to accept returns for NAD claims.
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Yes they do but I'm not dealin with ebay, im dealin with paypal.


paypal is asking for proof that it is fake.
 
rabbitking said:
Okay time to go ahead and put what I really think on here since you created so many
threads related to this issue.

It looks like to me you are buying high end Jewelry with a stealth eBay account and now you
are charging back on the seller. Furthermore you are worried that the official company who inspects
your product will ruin your charge back if PayPal contacts them.

You know what that sounds like to me? Buyer Fraud. :)
Not trying to judge or make assumptions here, but dude you fit the perfect scenario of being a fraudulent
buyer. I bet you money PayPal is seeing it this way too.

First, you shouldn't be worried what the certified company says to PayPal if this whole process has credibility
to it. So by adding up all of your threads I am smelling something, and its not roses. :D
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yes I'm getting a bunch of stealth accounts and buying old.

thats what i spend my money in.

ypu might spend yours in materialistic things that lose all of its value in a couple a months.

but i spend mine on gold.

i do tons of transactions and every once in a while i get issues lik everyone else.

To assume that im a buyer fraud is dead wrong and you soUnd incompetent.

because i like buying stuff thats increases in value and then open a case because i didnt get what i paid for, apparently makes me a fraud.

smh you dont know anything
 
Heraldorks49 said:
because i like buying stuff thats increases in value and then open a case because i didnt get what i paid for, apparently makes me a fraud.

smh you dont know anything
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Jesus, just return the item with a SNAD claim and get your money back if that's the case. What's with filing forged documents and all this crap?
 
Heraldorks49 said:
yes I'm getting a bunch of stealth accounts and buying old.

thats what i spend my money in.

ypu might spend yours in materialistic things that lose all of its value in a couple a months.

but i spend mine on gold.

i do tons of transactions and every once in a while i get issues lik everyone else.

To assume that im a buyer fraud is dead wrong and you soUnd incompetent.

because i like buying stuff thats increases in value and then open a case because i didnt get what i paid for, apparently makes me a fraud.

smh you dont know anything
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That was actually advice I gave you if you stop and think about it. Oh well when logic and shop talk turns
personal you know you struck a nerve. :D

Good luck to ya matey.
 
Nope im not, because i make post abou paypal means im a scammer. Then i guess becuase so and so made post about seo or google they are also scammers because someone else was trying to scam.

Thats not very good logic. That i must be the guy that scams because i post question about paypal.

The reason I post so many threads is because im trying to get help since these paypal claims dont stay open for ever i need someone to help me out asap.
 
Heraldorks49 said:
Nope im not, because i make post abou paypal means im a scammer. Then i guess becuase so and so made post about seo or google they are also scammers because someone else was trying to scam.

Thats not very good logic. That i must be the guy that scams because i post question about paypal.

The reason I post so many threads is because im trying to get help since these paypal claims dont stay open for ever i need someone to help me out asap.
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After you have filed forged documents there is little you can do but wait and see how things play out. IMO an experienced Gold Buyer would know how to deal with this issue without fraud.
I would also imagine that an experienced Gold Buyer would have connections, even a simple appraisal from a local jeweller stating that after testing it was not Gold or did not meet karat/fineness specs would have been sufficient
 
W130SN said:
I would also imagine that an experienced Gold Buyer would have connections, even a simple appraisal from a local jeweller stating that after testing it was not Gold or did not meet karat/fineness specs would have been sufficient
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many, many problems with his story

1. A real experienced gold buyer would own a $10 test that can test for gold purity without damaging the metal. Fake gold is also easy to spot since gold is so dense (twice as dense as lead) so even if you make a fake gold coin that looks exactly like the real thing, it will weigh much less. (Tungsten is almost as dense as gold but tungsten is shiny white and has qualities that make it a bad gold substitute)

2. No real large gold buyer buys their metal on eBay. You can buy metal for lower markup from a large gold dealer directly than on eBay.

3. No real large gold buyer uses paypal. You can buy all the gold bullion you want for 2% above spot price. Paypal fees are more than that.

4. eBay will force a pretty much automatic refund for NAD claims; no need to file forged paperwork. i'm guessing he's trying to scam the seller by trying to get a paypal refund (eBay will tell him to return the coins before they will force the buyer to refund) and not returning the coins. VERY common scam in designer clothes and shoes, because paypal policy on fake clothes and shoes is that the buyer should dispose of them, and don't have to return to seller.

5. There are few outright fake gold listed on eBay, since gold is pretty much impossible to fake if you know what to look for. What's much more common is fake numismatic coins that have the right gold content but is not from the time period
 
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