Is this a good or fair seo deal?

[alterego888]

This is from a USA Los Angeles, CA based provider who uses only white hat methods. Is this a fair deal that will help site rankings?

Date: 11/13/2014
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Proposal for Search Engine Optimization
(SEO)
1 Project description

We recommend our Bronze Package for $299 per month for at least 3 months
15 keywords
10 Local Citations
Title Tag Optimization
450 Total Approximate Backlinks
Meta Tag Optimization
Alt Tag Optimization
Additional Included Services:
H1 ‐ H6 Tag Optimization
Correct 404 Page issues
Content Optimization add nofollow links
Robots Optimization
W3C Validations
Google & Yahoo Webmaster Tools
Google Sitemap Creation
Yahoo Sitemap Creation
60 Search Engine Submissions
25 Directory Submissions
1 Article Submission(s)
1 Monthly Blog post(s)
20 Blog Comment(s)
20 Social Bookmark(s)
Monthly Website Reports
SEO Package Costs $299 per month

 

[1ksao]

To be honest there's a lot of fluff in that package. Where are these 450 backlinks coming from? Only 25 Directory submissions? Only 15 keywords? Cut out all of the optimization stuff too. I wouldn't buy it.

 

[flipzseo]

Nope, no good. SEO isn't one size fits all. Forget the "package" crap. And agreed with ^^^, there's a lot of fluff there.

 

[ThopHayt]

For $399 you shouldn't expect to get anything. Especially from LA... you can't wipe your ass with $400 there. You'll get SEO for $399, in the same way you'll get a hooker for $50. Enjoy the rash...

 

[alterego888]

My site does not have any H1 tags or 404 pages or anything

 

[alterego888]

What should I be looking for in a package?

 

[alterego888]

For $399 you shouldn't expect to get anything. Especially from LA... you can't wipe your ass with $400 there. You'll get SEO for $399, in the same way you'll get a hooker for $50. Enjoy the rash...

That's nice and we would all like to be married to super models to right? But better to be married to a woman than none at all. So I would love to buy a rolls royce but if I can only afford an economy car I want the best bang for my buck and if I can only afford 200.00 a month for seo same rules apply.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

What should I be looking for in a package?

Rankings, not backlinks.

 

[alterego888]

Can I get anyone from elance from India to do the basics like alt tags, h1 tags, no follow links, 404 page, etc.?

 

[LostConnection]

we would all like to be married to super models

Not really. I would just be happy to have found the right one to marry, whether she's a super model or not.

Being a super model would add to her points though.

 

[JasonS]

@OP: For all the fullffy tasks such as Meta/ Alt/ H1 H6 Tag/ Robots Optimization blah blah, you can get advices from here at free of cost.

And for these? fiverr is the place or check marketplace section here for quality work.

60 Search Engine Submissions
25 Directory Submissions
1 Article Submission(s)
1 Monthly Blog post(s)
20 Blog Comment(s)
20 Social Bookmark(s)

 

[alterego888]

fiver can give you bad backlinks

 

[Zwielicht]

That's nice and we would all like to be married to super models to right? But better to be married to a woman than none at all. So I would love to buy a rolls royce but if I can only afford an economy car I want the best bang for my buck and if I can only afford 200.00 a month for seo same rules apply.

Ordering an SEO services that charges under $750 a month is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Just like a low-quality woman, low-quality SEO services can be detrimental to your website. When choosing an SEO service, you will want to choose one that works not only with your website, but one that works with you.

How To Choose An SEO Agency Based On Services
​

It's important to choose an SEO company based on the services, not just the price. A good SEO company will offer services that follow Google's Webmaster Guidelines. The following list is a list of services that I recommend you look for when choosing an SEO company.

Services That High Quality SEO Companies Offer

• Website Audit Reports: A report that reviews your website's competitiveness, current rankings, and current issues. It also lists issues that need to be fixed.
• Weekly updates: Updates on SEO related changes to your website and any progress that has been made.
• Competitive Analysis Reports: A report on your competitors.
• Keyword Research Reports: A list of well-research relevant keywords that have the highest chance of helping your website rank.
• On-Page Optimisation: category descriptions, tags, keyword density, etcetera.
• Website Optimisation: issues from the website audit report that are fixed.
• White Hat Link Building on relevant authority website
• Social Media Optimisation: Optimisation of your social media pages.
• Continuous SEO Analysis: Checking the progress of SEO is important to determine which methods are working and which methods are not working.
• Client Training In SEO: This is important for the client so that the client knows exactly what you are doing. This also helps prevent the client from getting scammed by future SEO companies should the two of you decide to cancel the contract.
• Brandjacking Prevention: Claiming your brand on various websites to prevent brandjacking
• Local Citations (For Local SEO)

How To Choose An SEO Agency Based On Price
​

Not everyone has the luxury of affording $10,000 SEO services, so how does someone with a small budget afford SEO? Well, if you really want to be cheap, the minimum that any good search engine optimiser would charge is $750 a month, and that would be for a new website that is in an uncompetitive niche (at least, that's how much I charge for websites like that). For larger websites, expect to spend at least $1,500 a month and for larger website in a competitive niche, let's just say it's outside of your budget.

Now, you may be wondering just where the SEO company that you found fits into all of this. Well, it doesn't. You see, SEO companies that do cheap SEO are not worth your time. Not only is the SEO ineffective, but you may find yourself spending more money later on to hire someone to clean up the mistakes of the cheap SEO company. Sure, the SEO offered by thyese companies may seem cheap now, but they won't seem so cheap when you order from 100 of these companies and you're left with a penalised website.

Questions To Ask An SEO Company
​

1. What certifications do your optimisers have (are they inbound certified, optimising Adsense certified, Adwords certified, Bing Ads certified, etcetera)? While it's not imperative to have these services, they can be a good indicator of whether or not the optimisers took the time to receive some sort of credentials
2. How much experience do your optimisers have? Some optimisers can be good at the jobs with only a couple of years of experience, others may be abysmal.
3. Will I receive a report on the changes you've made to my website? These reports can be invaluable in cases where you need to reverse the damage.
4. Do your services include relevant backlinks? Puppy sites link to puppy sites. If you own a puppy site, do you think a golf site would naturally link to you?

 

[alterego888]

Ordering an SEO services that charges under $750 a month is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Just like a low-quality woman, low-quality SEO services can be detrimental to your website. When choosing an SEO service, you will want to choose one that works not only with your website, but one that works with you.

How To Choose An SEO Agency Based On Services
​

It's important to choose an SEO company based on the services, not just the price. A good SEO company will offer services that follow Google's Webmaster Guidelines. The following list is a list of services that I recommend you look for when choosing an SEO company.

Services That High Quality SEO Companies Offer

• Website Audit Reports: A report that reviews your website's competitiveness, current rankings, and current issues. It also lists issues that need to be fixed.
• Weekly updates: Updates on SEO related changes to your website and any progress that has been made.
• Competitive Analysis Reports: A report on your competitors.
• Keyword Research Reports: A list of well-research relevant keywords that have the highest chance of helping your website rank.
• On-Page Optimisation: category descriptions, tags, keyword density, etcetera.
• Website Optimisation: issues from the website audit report that are fixed.
• White Hat Link Building on relevant authority website
• Social Media Optimisation: Optimisation of your social media pages.
• Continuous SEO Analysis: Checking the progress of SEO is important to determine which methods are working and which methods are not working.
• Client Training In SEO: This is important for the client so that the client knows exactly what you are doing. This also helps prevent the client from getting scammed by future SEO companies should the two of you decide to cancel the contract.
• Brandjacking Prevention: Claiming your brand on various websites to prevent brandjacking
• Local Citations (For Local SEO)

How To Choose An SEO Agency Based On Price
​

Not everyone has the luxury of affording $10,000 SEO services, so how does someone with a small budget afford SEO? Well, if you really want to be cheap, the minimum that any good search engine optimiser would charge is $750 a month, and that would be for a new website that is in an uncompetitive niche (at least, that's how much I charge for websites like that). For larger websites, expect to spend at least $1,500 a month and for larger website in a competitive niche, let's just say it's outside of your budget.

Now, you may be wondering just where the SEO company that you found fits into all of this. Well, it doesn't. You see, SEO companies that do cheap SEO are not worth your time. Not only is the SEO ineffective, but you may find yourself spending more money later on to hire someone to clean up the mistakes of the cheap SEO company. Sure, the SEO offered by thyese companies may seem cheap now, but they won't seem so cheap when you order from 100 of these companies and you're left with a penalised website.

Questions To Ask An SEO Company
​

1. What certifications do your optimisers have (are they inbound certified, optimising Adsense certified, Adwords certified, Bing Ads certified, etcetera)? While it's not imperative to have these services, they can be a good indicator of whether or not the optimisers took the time to receive some sort of credentials
2. How much experience do your optimisers have? Some optimisers can be good at the jobs with only a couple of years of experience, others may be abysmal.
3. Will I receive a report on the changes you've made to my website? These reports can be invaluable in cases where you need to reverse the damage.
4. Do your services include relevant backlinks? Puppy sites link to puppy sites. If you own a puppy site, do you think a golf site would naturally link to you?

So basically it's just like politics on people with money can get ahead na I don't believe that. To say there are 0 solutions to improve attracting customers through seo on a budget of 300.00 a month or less is not true and leaves the little guy out of trying to create a business. Something this country (USA) was founded on. So there are things that can be done. Obciously having alt tags and h1 tags etc are better than not having them at all not to mention forum postings article writing and pr releases. So not everything is 750.00 and up in the seo world!

 

[Zwielicht]

So basically it's just like politics on people with money can get ahead na I don't believe that. To say there are 0 solutions to improve attracting customers through seo on a budget of 300.00 a month or less is not true and leaves the little guy out of trying to create a business. Something this country (USA) was founded on. So there are things that can be done. Obciously having alt tags and h1 tags etc are better than not having them at all not to mention forum postings article writing and pr releases. So not everything is 750.00 and up in the seo world!

:1::usa:

The assumptions you are making are astounding...

Before you get patriotic again, the $750 fee is a monthly fee for an SEO project. No where in my previous post did I state that there are 0 solutions to improve your website on a low budget since my previous post was about ordering a full SEO service. Because you seem to have misconstrued my entire post, I'll answer some additional questions here.

Are There 0 Solutions For People Who Want SEO On A Tight Budget?​

No, there are many other options for people on a tight budget such as ordering individual services, which are often much cheaper than ordering a full SEO service. While these individual services are not a replacement for a good search engine optimiser, they can still be used to drive traffic to your website and increase your website rankings. For an example of these individual SEO services, visit the Marketplace.

Can Only People With Money Receive Good SEO?​

No, this is a myth. There are several other options for someone who doesn't have any money to invest in SEO such as learning SEO yourself or finding a budding Internet marketer to do your SEO if they can use you as a reference in the future (use caution).

Is Tag Optimisation Useful?
​

Of course! They often come with on-page SEO services.

Is Everyone On Black Hat World From The USA?​

Of course not! Black Hat World is a diverse forum that welcomes people of all genders, races, ethnicities, and other ways of identifying people to learn and discuss Internet marketing. Because of this, not everyone is from the United States nor do they share the same notions as the general public of the United States. Assuming such a thing would be asinine.

To find out where a Black Hat World member is from, look at the information display on the top right of their posts, although beware as many people use a fake location as a joke (Kadykchan, for example). If they're using a fake location, ask them where they are from before bringing nationalistic ideals on a diverse forum.

 

[ThopHayt]

So throwing your money down a hole is better than nothing? Learn SEO here and outsource the specific sub-tasks. That's what 90% of SEO services do anyway.

That's nice and we would all like to be married to super models to right? But better to be married to a woman than none at all. So I would love to buy a rolls royce but if I can only afford an economy car I want the best bang for my buck and if I can only afford 200.00 a month for seo same rules apply.

 

[ThopHayt]

And if you are absolutely hell bent on a monthly all-in-one service that requires zero thought then I'd suggest at least looking at the services here on BHW. Most (most, not all) are pretty fair considering that you need to do no thinking other signing up once. But you'd get a lot farther outsourcing the individual SEO tasks.

And BTW the on-site crap listed in OP is meaningless in a monthly service as it's more on a fit-it-once thing and not something they will be doing on a monthly basis to spite the fact you're still paying monthly. Not to mention you have no way of knowing rather or not they will do a good job. So just be careful with the on-site... over zealous stuffing in tags in really bad to do.

Oh and the kicker in all of this... I would NOT call what you described as "white hat" as it has things like blog comments, paid blog posts, and bookmarks in it. That's black hat my friend. Just an FYI.

 

[vitarank]

What should I be looking for in a package?

The package at that is nonesense you can get an on page recommendation from other services here in blackhatworld and have your it team do the work. other parts of this package are not even worth mentioning, if you want SEO service, you should find on's that could provide a decent amount of high quality backlinks, social signals, and it should have a decent report on what links are being produced for your site. being secretive is one thing but its your site the least you should know is the quality of backlinks being spread for your site. One last thing look for some reviews of the service to verify the quality of the service. Hope this helps

 

[ThopHayt]

I can tell that there are a lot of business owners on BHW trying to get the inside track on how to save money on SEO... yet they don't want to actually have to bother learning any SEO. They want advice on being a consumer of SEO services, yet are only able to take blind advice without understanding any of the reasons behind what is being told to them. This will lead to frustration because they can't get what they want and don't understand why it isn't possible. These people also make tough customers if they ever buy SEO from you because they THINK they know what they are talking about. What people like this REALLY need is to either find a long-term SEO relationship they can trust and forget learning anything, or they need to learn SEO. There is no middle ground that is easy and super cheap. OP really could spend maybe $50 tops buying services on the marketplace here and get what he described for $399. But he would have to know WHAT to buy. If he had patience he could learn that though. Oh well.

 

[Duffers5000]

That looks like weak piss that wouldnt rank anything, let alone fifteen keywords.

When you read through most of the tasks you can do yourself, use a cheap or free service, hire a freelancer for a few $.

Dont go near a monthly service until you know SEO and are happy with what you are getting otherwise you will just get rinsed for six months while they say "we recommend you stay with us for a year to get the real link juice". Fuck that....Results in 10 days to two weeks or the guy doesnt know what hes doing.

SEO budget really depends on what you are trying to rank for and how long term you want those results to be but it doesnt have to cost a fortune.

Oh and by the way there is nothing Whitehat about that package. You're building links you are Black hat. These pricks use terminology like white hat so they can drag you along for another few months as the "White Hat" links are more natural and take time to work.