Google "waiting period" after May 14 payday update?

[SEO Power]

True enough, there's hardly any way to rank instantly. SEO takes (a lot of) time, but I know of one way to rank instantly.

1. Buy an aged DA 40+, PR 3+ domain from Godaddy, Name Jet, or Snap Names.

2. 301 it to your new niche site.

The relevance isn't very important here but it adds extra ranking power if both domains are in the same niche.

 

[Wilson Grant Fisk]

Just more misinformation being spread about ... Nothing here, just lots of people who could not rank a website, jumping in telling others how they still cannot rank a website. ...

Too much of that going on. Half the time people think they are being helpful but in the long term they just cause damage spreading half truths and writing about what others have said, not what they have actually done. Sometimes it does look like the work of Google employees lol

...Your telling me as soon as you started churn and burn you ranked instantly on 1st day...LOL. ...

I always thought that the whole point of churn and burn WAS to rank as fast as possible and I thought those that were expert at it know how to spam their way to the top.
I have seen many sites come out of nowhere and get top positions, so some people must know how to do it.
Obviously it will depend on how competitive the niche is but personally if the niches has high competition I would say landing in the first 10-15 results could be considered successful.
Just because you haven't managed to rank a site instantly doesn't mean it isn't possible.

 

[hnmfvnxe]

I always thought that the whole point of churn and burn WAS to rank as fast as possible and I thought those that were expert at it know how to spam their way to the top.
I have seen many sites come out of nowhere and get top positions, so some people must know how to do it.
Obviously it will depend on how competitive the niche is but personally if the niches has high competition I would say landing in the first 10-15 results could be considered successful.
Just because you haven't managed to rank a site instantly doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Another one that spends more time posting on forums than doing actual work.

Of course the whole point of churn and burn is to rank fast.
And like I said before I would be able to rank sites within 1 week before this "lag/delay update". If you don't think ranking page 1 in a 1 week fast than you really never done seo for high comp keywords.

My problem is this "instantly rank" claim LOL...

Pretty much your stating as soon as you start sending high pr 301s domains, pbn links, sape, tiered links, homepage links, spam blast, etc. or whatever your churn burn strategy was before and you would rank "instantly" same day you started seo campaign.

Come on now...it takes time for G to analyze all that stuff your throwing at it.

Go rank "instantly" for Payday Loans or Viagra...LOL.

 

[Wilson Grant Fisk]

Another one that spends more time posting on forums than doing actual work...
... you would rank "instantly" same day you started seo campaign...
Go rank "instantly" for Payday Loans or Viagra...LOL.

Seriously Mate, you have no idea what "work" I do or how much time I have available.
It is a weak argument.

I don't see anywhere where anybody has stated they have ranked the same day or anybody saying they have ranked "Payday Loans" or "Viagra"
Again, another weak argument.

What I believe is being said is that the first position people get ranked for is in the top 20 results i.e not landing on page 10 or higher then taking 2 weeks to rise to page 1. That is what is meant by instant rank not the time spent on preparation and planning or rising through serps etc. Nobody is suggesting starting a site today and ranking No1 for payday loans tomorrow. use your common sense.

I don't do churn and burn but I have witnessed sites come in the first 10 results FROM NOWHERE, not spending time rising through serps, that is what I mean by instant rank. And what I imagine somebody who does C&B considers instant ranking.

 

[irfanlone]

Yes I have a lot of time on my hands, as I am successful, as I pay people to do my work. It is what successful people do. Or are you suggesting people who make money sit at their computers night and day trying to scratch around for pennies? People who do real churn and burns are laughing at you. Yes people who do real churn and burns put them instantly on top. Keep pretending you know how to churn a website because your fire up GSA on a new domain. You are so far of the mark it is laughable.

It would be very enlightening to share what you are doing exactly to make Churn and Burn successful.Kindly share your strategy how to do it right way.

 

[Chlenix]

So Matt Cutts is taking a break from taking a break=)

You nailed it man

 

[mickyfu]

Another one that spends more time posting on forums than doing actual work.

Of course the whole point of churn and burn is to rank fast.
And like I said before I would be able to rank sites within 1 week before this "lag/delay update". If you don't think ranking page 1 in a 1 week fast than you really never done seo for high comp keywords.

My problem is this "instantly rank" claim LOL...

Pretty much your stating as soon as you start sending high pr 301s domains, pbn links, sape, tiered links, homepage links, spam blast, etc. or whatever your churn burn strategy was before and you would rank "instantly" same day you started seo campaign.

Come on now...it takes time for G to analyze all that stuff your throwing at it.

Go rank "instantly" for Payday Loans or Viagra...LOL.

I am pretty much saying when I release my website, it ranks instantly. Go figure it out. Every churn and burn that is made by people who know what they are doing, is done using a certain technique, obviously something which you are clueless to.

I did not say I could rank for viagra, and neither would I try, as to rank for what I do, the process is long, and costs money, it would cost way too much, plus your website would be blew in straight away, making it pointless.

You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder, simply because you can't rank a site. It is a shame, why don't you try something a little more advanced than running GSA all day? You never know, you may actually get somewhere.

Oh and you do realise that YouTube is a search engine, and you do realise that yes people can "instantly rank" just like that, page 1. All programs can be gamed, you just have to be good at gaming them. Unfortunately for you, it seems you are not the best at the game.

 

[mickyfu]

And if that statement is being made *in the context* of highly competitive SERPs, people must demand that you substantiate these claims.

I understand what you are saying, but until the day when I can pay my way through life with forum brownie points, I will keep my sites and methods to myself. I have seen many great methods ruined on here for a few brownie points.

My websites are not highly competitive, they are medium - sort of low. I was simply confirming what I thought in the first place, that this supposed 30 day hold is certainly not on all websites. I think many others can confirm this too.

You see what has happened here is quite simple, a lot of people who have websites which are stuck, have all come together and invented something which they can relate to their problem. The more others join in (plenty who could not even rank a website in the first place), the realer the 30 day hold becomes. Where the fuck did 30 days actually come from in the first place? Oh that is it, someone just randomly threw a number in.

 

[togerr]

i guess he refers to new site who have not yet made to page 1.

Seeing similar in regards to taking longer to see movement.

In regards to "tripping" this "filter", if this was the case couldn't one just do a quick blast to some of the top website in page 1 and make them go to a waiting period also?

 

[jack81]

I am pretty much saying when I release my website, it ranks instantly.

How fast? Like you build site today and next day it get ranked? When you say ranks instantly , do you mean ranking in top 3 spots or ranking in first five pages of google?

 

[mickyfu]

I am pretty much saying when I release my website, it ranks instantly. /QUOTE]

How fast? Like you build site today and next day it get ranked? When you say ranks instantly , do you mean ranking in top 3 spots or ranking in first five pages of google?

I mean when it is indexed, it is normally indexed in the top ten, if they do not come in on the first two pages, I tend to leave them.

 

[Hybrid12346]

It would be very enlightening to share what you are doing exactly to make Churn and Burn successful.Kindly share your strategy how to do it right way.

How about he just builds your website for you too. GTFO. Why would someone give up one of their top earning methods just to please someone on a forum?

 

[conrulez]

I mean when it is indexed, it is normally indexed in the top ten, if they do not come in on the first two pages, I tend to leave them.

Thanks for the info. Nice little system you have developed.

One question: How long do your sites/pages typically keep their ranking before burning?

 

[mickyfu]

Thanks for the info. Nice little system you have developed.

One question: How long do your sites/pages typically keep their ranking before burning?

I have had ones last the best part of a year, I have one now from last October. I think what keeps them going is I iFrame free play casino games on them. So for instance if my page was about roulette, I would iFrame a roulette game onto the site. I would also target a lot of free play terms, this keeps people on the website for a considerable amount of time.

My old churn and burn websites which I did not iFrame games to, only used to last about three months, so I am pretty convinced that the games have a big impact.

 

[Bigzoom01]

Lets stay on topic. No fighting. Everyone lets stop competing and continue to investagate. Anyone recently affect by the rank freeze able to rank sv 800 plus keywords? Yet. Anything new?

 

[winosergio]

I understand what you are saying, but until the day when I can pay my way through life with forum brownie points, I will keep my sites and methods to myself. I have seen many great methods ruined on here for a few brownie points.

My websites are not highly competitive, they are medium - sort of low. I was simply confirming what I thought in the first place, that this supposed 30 day hold is certainly not on all websites. I think many others can confirm this too.

You see what has happened here is quite simple, a lot of people who have websites which are stuck, have all come together and invented something which they can relate to their problem. The more others join in (plenty who could not even rank a website in the first place), the realer the 30 day hold becomes. Where the fuck did 30 days actually come from in the first place? Oh that is it, someone just randomly threw a number in.

Well said, I would do the same in your position. If you show people a new method not mainstream, once it is abused will be dead by next Google update.

Any hint by how long it takes since you build your first links till you get it ranked??

 

[mickyfu]

Well said, I would do the same in your position. If you show people a new method not mainstream, once it is abused will be dead by next Google update.

Any hint by how long it takes since you build your first links till you get it ranked??

I takes me a month or two to get all the work done on several websites, it ranks when it is indexed, normally middle of the first page.

You see where people go wrong with churn and burns, is they think just spamming a new domain works, well it does not. You need to take advantage of the new domain period, so you do all the work before you send the links to the new domain. I know that sounds a little strange, but it is possible, and very simple. You can do it using masses of 301 redirects, however this is just only half of what I do.

 

[SEOMagicianAL]

I takes me a month or two to get all the work done on several websites, it ranks when it is indexed, normally middle of the first page.

You see where people go wrong with churn and burns, is they think just spamming a new domain works, well it does not. You need to take advantage of the new domain period, so you do all the work before you send the links to the new domain. I know that sounds a little strange, but it is possible, and very simple. You can do it using masses of 301 redirects, however this is just only half of what I do.

Stop outing! haha

For real though, listen to this guy.

 

[Peter Ngo]

I takes me a month or two to get all the work done on several websites, it ranks when it is indexed, normally middle of the first page.

You see where people go wrong with churn and burns, is they think just spamming a new domain works, well it does not. You need to take advantage of the new domain period, so you do all the work before you send the links to the new domain. I know that sounds a little strange, but it is possible, and very simple. You can do it using masses of 301 redirects, however this is just only half of what I do.

Wow you just hint something that i have never thought of. It is time to draw a graphs, brainstorm and split testing now .

 

[peterstern9]

Lets stay on topic. No fighting. Everyone lets stop competing and continue to investagate. Anyone recently affect by the rank freeze able to rank sv 800 plus keywords? Yet. Anything new?

Do you mean complete freeze?

I noticed that last 2 days my rankings are COMPLETELY stuck on pages 2, 3 and 4. Since then, rankings tend to be on position 18 one day, then on position 22 other day, third day position 20, etc. But last 2 days ALL main keywords are COMPLETELY stuck. For example, keyword stands on position 20 last 48 hours without any movement. And all other main keywords too.

Anyone noticing something similar?