Wordpress! Is It Really for Noobs?

I completely disagree with this statement -- WordPress was designed with the end user in mind; but if you really think it's for newbies, why don't you guys code something like it?

You're completely wrong about WordPress being bad for SEO. There are far too many high ranked BLOGS that use WordPress that your argument just goes down the gutter (without me even having to disprove anything).

That being said, WordPress is for "newbies" but is also great for the advanced user who has ample knowledge in CSS, PHP, HTML etc. I am perfectly capable of designing a website in full HTML 5 and CSS compliant -- but why go through the hassle when I can simply install WordPress, get a nice theme, do a few custom mods and use the "WordPress SEO" plugin to ensure that all my blog posts are up to par.

Anyways, to the individual I quoted: I don't know what WordPress themes or plugins you have been using, but most of the themes I've used all have H1 tags used for the post title and for the front page the H1 is usually your logo or company name (which makes sense). If you're so bothered by it, why not make a few simple changes and SEO the website the way you want it? It seems like you're just incapable of handling a CMS made for "newbies" -- you're describing flaws that can easily be corrected and some I've never even noticed before.

Since I have already said it handles posts very well, I concede your point about them. However, if I write an article about this past election and use a page title along the lines of " What is up with the American Media" and write an article about the lack of professionalism in journalism today, the heading of the article needs to be the H! tag and support the article, not the attention getting headline.

Also, If I use the H1 tag I get something like this:
What's up with the American Media?


when I need something like this:

What's up with the American Media?

In order for it not to look like a 6th grader did it.

Since the theme allows different line heights for each title tag, it throws off the alignment of the article every time you use a heading. H1 title will have more space under and above it than an H2 or H3. causing the article to look like crap. Lord help you if you actually want to use the h-tags and keep all the titles the same size, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

Well, if you know coding, you can change the CSS for the tag, or you can add inline styles to the heading tag, but then you can wind up with a tag nested inside another tag because the theme has an assigned tag for the space you just used.

Also depending on the theme when you use an inline font statement the entire font statement gets carried to the nav menu, so if you use a h1 tag for a page title, the page title is huge in the menu.

I spent an hour yesterday getting one paragraph to display right because the damn theme kept floating the text to the right of the h2 tag title. Only did this on 1 of four h2 tags in the article, and I had to end up putting a <br><p></p><br> just to get the damn thing to display like the other tags in the same paragraph.

The fact that you have not ran into these issues tells me you are a fill in the space kind of guy or girl, that's all. You take the theme and fill in the blanks, and call it a site with SEO. Of course that perfect article you wrote and put on the page, added to all the text that your global areas toss into the page has now changed the focus of your SEO because your on-page SEO uses all the text on your page to figure out what the site is about. All those archives, related posts, and other crap is diluting the article and page focus, but I guess you figure that Google will simply read the content section and grade your page on it only. You must be special, for most of us, the entire page content is counted, global areas and all.

And if you are so comfortable using a WP theme, why do you assume that you must build an HTML page from scratch. There are far more beautiful HTML templates than WP themes, and they do not lock you into sidebar-content-sidebar, or sidebar-sidebar-content, or whichever option your theme offers.

As for the "incapable" statement, where do you get that? I'm incapable because I see the faults with this platform rather than gushing like a schoolgirl about it's power? Because I actually know SEO, and seeing the problems that WP has, pointed them out?

I actually use WordPress quite a lot. I am not incapable of fixing it, I just do not see the need to spend hours trying to defeat default behavior. When I can build a fill in the blank site I do. I have 5 page business sites that I clone when someone needs a 5 page business site. When I need to have a blog I use WP. I have a few themes that I even like, default behavior and all.

SEO is hard enough with out restrictions, WP sometimes inflicts insurmountable barriers to SEO. It does not allow for creativity, unless you are halfway to becoming a developer.

You're completely wrong about WordPress being bad for SEO. There are far too many high ranked BLOGS that use WordPress that your argument just goes down the gutter (without me even having to disprove anything).

This statement that I do not know what I am talking about because there are many high rated BLOGS simply proves my point. WP is a blogging platform. How many highly successful business sites or e-commerce sites do you see built in WP? How many times do you visit a blog and buy a product there?

I can add a trailer to a VW, and call it a log hauler, but it is not designed to haul logs, and no matter what I add to it, it never will be.

Wordpress is for blogging, not general websites nor e-commerce. It is designed from the ground up to offer minimum functionality in exchange for ease of use. It is designed to present the written word in chronological order. No matter what you hang on it, aside from a custom theme, it never will be anything else.

I completely disagree with this statement -- WordPress was designed with the end user in mind; but if you really think it's for newbies, why don't you guys code something like it?

Don't have to, HTML/CSS,m Joomla, and Drupal already exist.

use the "WordPress SEO" plugin to ensure that all my blog posts are up to par.

If you are happy with fill in the blank SEO solutions, fine. Generally though, SEO is more than title, desc, and h1 tags. Since youare blogging, I suppose the plugin is good enough.

the H1 is usually your logo or company name (which makes sense)

Really? That makes sense to you? For SEO?

I am perfectly capable of designing a website in full HTML 5 and CSS compliant -- but why go through the hassle when I can simply install WordPress, get a nice theme

Can't you do that with a HTML/CSS template, or is that somehow different in your mind to using a theme?

If you're so bothered by it, why not make a few simple changes and SEO the website the way you want it?

They aren't simple

you're describing flaws that can easily be corrected and some I've never even noticed before.

You never noticed some of this before? Good for you, just keep filling in the blanks. I try to customize my sites to satisfy my needs or what my customer needs.
 
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Wordpress is totally not for nubs. Truly the people who do not use it call it for nubs as they can see every one uses it. Even Google prefers wordpress on html. even the newbies can use it and as far as the professionals are concerned you can explore as many options as you wish to. Wordpress is really good and it is for every one from newbies to professionals.
 
Wordpress ie easy enough for a noob to learn on, but it is powerful enough that I would never call it "only for noobs". Problem is that people with exceptional skills in code are losing their jobs, because premium templates on Wordpress are "good-enough, if not better". So it's easy to be bitter, or adapt and accept that Wordpress is a wonderful platform to work with. Those who remain bitter will only be left behind, because there are infinite benefits to using Wordpress at any experience level.
 
Wordprss is very noob-friendly but can be very advanced and you can do practically anything with it. I use it for 80% of my websites and plan to keep doing so.
 
Frankly speaking, it is.
WP is designed to fail when you have great number of users and posts. Due to it's functional structure, almost everything gets loaded whenever you visit a page - in one word, waste of server resource. People love WP mainly because it's very easily customizable, but why? coz you don't need much knowledge on MVC, Oops or wotevr. So it's for the n00bies only :P

More experienced developers go for Joomla, Drupal, Magento, Yii, CakePHP and others, coz they know wot they are doing lol..
 
By the way, I fear that OP might have had a heart attack by now :sad6:
 
Frankly speaking, it is.
WP is designed to fail when you have great number of users and posts. Due to it's functional structure, almost everything gets loaded whenever you visit a page - in one word, waste of server resource. People love WP mainly because it's very easily customizable, but why? coz you don't need much knowledge on MVC, Oops or wotevr. So it's for the n00bies only :P

More experienced developers go for Joomla, Drupal, Magento, Yii, CakePHP and others, coz they know wot they are doing lol..

Bingo. Real web developers run away from Wordpress. It's horribly coded and inefficient for what it does.
 
WOW!!! So much feedback. I love it. Than You for the wonderful info. I love wordpress. Yes it is a gnarley blogging platform, Yes it is easy to rank. What else could you want. I think a lot of developers do not understand PHP so that is why they hate it. Yes Wordpress, I agree is easy for the noobs, but also once of the most complex cms platforms for the developer. I give everyone thumbs up for helping me not feel so bad when this guy stated to me Wordpress is for noobs. I feel better.
 
Frankly speaking, it is.
WP is designed to fail when you have great number of users and posts. Due to it's functional structure, almost everything gets loaded whenever you visit a page - in one word, waste of server resource. People love WP mainly because it's very easily customizable, but why? coz you don't need much knowledge on MVC, Oops or wotevr. So it's for the n00bies only :P

More experienced developers go for Joomla, Drupal, Magento, Yii, CakePHP and others, coz they know wot they are doing lol..

What he (or she) said.
 
Bingo. Real web developers run away from Wordpress. It's horribly coded and inefficient for what it does.
Not in terms of being a blog though ;)
It's horrible when you want to use it as a e-commerce platform and so on...
 
OP, keep using it if it helps you. WP can help you make money. You don't need huge traffic to make a few dollars, you can use a single HTML webpage and still make a lot of money. It's you and your skills (even including the skills of people whom you hire) that matters. If you use the best program and still can't have a site that attracts money and popularity, and whtever that counts, then what's the use?

WP, or Joomla, or anything else is just a medium to present those to the world.

If you're new in the field, WP can definitely help you a lot more than other applications.


HTH
 
You don't know how to use Wordpress, if you don't like your them modify it
Wordpress is the noob tool of choice, because just about anyone can make a default website with it. WordPress is not only the choice for noobs, but it is also server intensive, difficult to do SEO for, and almost impossible to get a high code to text ratio for SEO purposes. You simply cannot do SEO on a page if the contents of that page constantly change. Every time you throw a blog post on your "web site" you change the seo for the page. If they are disparate articles, your SEO goes to shit.

Wordpress is a blog maker, that's all it will do out of the box. It is designed to deliver the written word, perhaps a little media, in such a way that a moron could do it.

The problem is that a real website is not a blog, and dressing up WordPress with add ons does nothing to solve this problem.

WordPress is impossible when it comes to handling many pages, it only excels when handling blog posts, but that's it. Most wordpress sites look like and behave like a blog, they always will, and no matter what you do, unless you can hack the code, most visitors will immediately know it is an amateur site when they arrive.

This kills your credibility with your potential customer unless they are expecting a blog.

You cannot build what you want to in WordPress, you must accept the theme defaults. Even then, the theme will do all kinds of stupid crap, based on functions you cannot find. They have default behavior that will drive you insane trying to control. Even when you want an empty sidebar, WordPress will toss something there because the developer uses an "if empty" default that no one bothers to explain how to get rid of.

Almost no WP themes uses headings like they are supposed to use them, they use it for font size control. Many themes have no h1 tags, or multiple h1's and use the page title for the H tags anyway.

This is not to say that wordpress is ONLY a noob tool. If you take the time to learn PHP, and all the functions of a theme you can indeed make a real lookig website with wordpress, but most people cant even figure how to put an alt tag on an image, and getting the H1 heading small enough to look worth a damn is completely out of reach. Whet the hell, just use an H2tag, huh?

When you have to use the theme as is, your SEO is screwed, period. No plugin is going to fix that.

All you can say about WordPress is that it lets almost anyone build a website. They look like it crap for the most part.
 
wordpress is for everyone who is marketing online. ITs most versatile and I love it....
 
WOW!!! So much feedback. I love it. Than You for the wonderful info. I love wordpress. Yes it is a gnarley blogging platform, Yes it is easy to rank. What else could you want. I think a lot of developers do not understand PHP so that is why they hate it. Yes Wordpress, I agree is easy for the noobs, but also once of the most complex cms platforms for the developer. I give everyone thumbs up for helping me not feel so bad when this guy stated to me Wordpress is for noobs. I feel better.

WP for noobs? Here are some major sites using Wordpress: http://techker.com/major-sites-using-wordpress-as-their-preferred-cms
 
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+ Easy to use (good for noobs)
- Security flaws (especially if you're using the default WP installation)
- Resource intensive (most small sites do not need a database and all the extra files WP creates)

Straight out of the box, no its not better for SEO. The argument that top-ranked sites use WP is irrelevant, as: they have been optimized (use SEO plugins), and; html/php sites can rank just as well.

If you have a small site of 10-20 pages, you could create it a html/php/css site in a few 100kb instead of 20-30+ MB of code bloat that WP creates, and it will have a faster page load time.
 
Who cares what this loser said. Wordpress kicks ass, if it works for you, ignore retarded comments.
 
+ Easy to use (good for noobs)
- Security flaws (especially if you're using the default WP installation)
- Resource intensive (most small sites do not need a database and all the extra files WP creates)

Straight out of the box, no its not better for SEO. The argument that top-ranked sites use WP is irrelevant, as: they have been optimized (use SEO plugins), and; html/php sites can rank just as well.

If you have a small site of 10-20 pages, you could create it a html/php/css site in a few 100kb instead of 20-30+ MB of code bloat that WP creates, and it will have a faster page load time.

Definitely, every CMS has its pros and cons.

But why would not top-ranked (probably multi-million dollar) sites using Wordpress not be in WP's favor? If these sites, with their profitability and large investment backing choose WP, there must be a reason why. This is given that they have the financial ability for almost any CMS, even one that is custom-made and built from the ground up.
 
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