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Wordpress! Is It Really for Noobs?

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by Robert Corby, Nov 11, 2012.

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  1. Robert Corby

    Robert Corby Newbie

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    Wordpress, Is it really for nubs? I have playing around on the Internet for years. Self studied HTML back in 96'. And created my first website to sell coffee beans online. I studied and wanted to rank number 1 for the keyword coffee and did on Alta vista. Then came along Yahoo and then Google. Also ranked 1. Later sometime when Wordpress came about I started to study Wordpress SEO and also ranked. Anyways, the other day I was speaking with a web developer, not web master, and he stated "Wordpress is only for noobs". WOW!!! I was stunned, speechless, I did not know what to say, but at least I am ranking. I am still stunned, and if anyone feels that Wordpress is for noobs, let me know.
     
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    No it's not. It's flexible, you can do anything with it. I love it! The only thing i don't like is that it's SO easy to hack.
     
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    I also love Wordpress, and yes I do agree the .htaccess is easy to attack. But it seems the only area that is really infected. But wen it comes to design, ease of use, and the ability for rss to function well, along with twitter and much more, and if used properly, it rocks in the world of the SERPs. How in the hell can it be for noobs? Is PHP5 exactly for the noobs?
     
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    a more accurate statement than wordpress is only for noobs would be only wordpress is for noobs ( if you get the ideea )

    most self-hosted cms/blogging platforms are either too complicated or not flexible enough for newbies ( imho )

    but if you know what you are doing... wordpress is great even for the pro's of the internet
     
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    chris1025 Regular Member

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    yes indeed it is, the ease of use compare to other cms are quiet good.
     
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    No for noobs there is a thing called "Blogger"
     
  7. Robert Corby

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    I can see the point of Wordpress being easy to use. I am happy the developers kept the end-user in mind.
     
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    But why in someone's right mind would choose a more complex cms platform?
     
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    It actually can be as 'noisy' as you want

    :)
     
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    I think you argue just for the sake of argument. If you're doing web development since 96, then you should know what's best.

     
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    the best cms is no cms at all.
     
  12. Joker7

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    Wordpress is definitely not for noobs. People that don't use it will complain about it because every1 uses it but the main reason every1 uses it is because it can do anything! Plugins open the door for you to do anything with wordpress
     
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    Wordpress is the noob tool of choice, because just about anyone can make a default website with it. WordPress is not only the choice for noobs, but it is also server intensive, difficult to do SEO for, and almost impossible to get a high code to text ratio for SEO purposes. You simply cannot do SEO on a page if the contents of that page constantly change. Every time you throw a blog post on your "web site" you change the seo for the page. If they are disparate articles, your SEO goes to shit.

    Wordpress is a blog maker, that's all it will do out of the box. It is designed to deliver the written word, perhaps a little media, in such a way that a moron could do it.

    The problem is that a real website is not a blog, and dressing up WordPress with add ons does nothing to solve this problem.

    WordPress is impossible when it comes to handling many pages, it only excels when handling blog posts, but that's it. Most wordpress sites look like and behave like a blog, they always will, and no matter what you do, unless you can hack the code, most visitors will immediately know it is an amateur site when they arrive.

    This kills your credibility with your potential customer unless they are expecting a blog.

    You cannot build what you want to in WordPress, you must accept the theme defaults. Even then, the theme will do all kinds of stupid crap, based on functions you cannot find. They have default behavior that will drive you insane trying to control. Even when you want an empty sidebar, WordPress will toss something there because the developer uses an "if empty" default that no one bothers to explain how to get rid of.

    Almost no WP themes uses headings like they are supposed to use them, they use it for font size control. Many themes have no h1 tags, or multiple h1's and use the page title for the H tags anyway.

    This is not to say that wordpress is ONLY a noob tool. If you take the time to learn PHP, and all the functions of a theme you can indeed make a real lookig website with wordpress, but most people cant even figure how to put an alt tag on an image, and getting the H1 heading small enough to look worth a damn is completely out of reach. Whet the hell, just use an H2tag, huh?

    When you have to use the theme as is, your SEO is screwed, period. No plugin is going to fix that.

    All you can say about WordPress is that it lets almost anyone build a website. They look like it crap for the most part.
     
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    As most people have already said, it is the 'n00bs' favourite.

    However, for me, being able to deploy a site in minutes has it's benefits, so does a massive community that is forever contributing. It simply means less work for me because most likely someone has already had the same problem and resolved it.

    It's simple and quick for me. Two massive benefits to anyone! (Time is money)
     
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    The speed with which you can create a site and manage content makes it valuable
    Compared to raw coding, starting with a template is an obvious choice
     
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    I don't think so. I have seen pro-bloggers using it.

    Cheers :)
     
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    I completely disagree with this statement -- WordPress was designed with the end user in mind; but if you really think it's for newbies, why don't you guys code something like it?

    You're completely wrong about WordPress being bad for SEO. There are far too many high ranked BLOGS that use WordPress that your argument just goes down the gutter (without me even having to disprove anything).

    That being said, WordPress is for "newbies" but is also great for the advanced user who has ample knowledge in CSS, PHP, HTML etc. I am perfectly capable of designing a website in full HTML 5 and CSS compliant -- but why go through the hassle when I can simply install WordPress, get a nice theme, do a few custom mods and use the "WordPress SEO" plugin to ensure that all my blog posts are up to par.

    Anyways, to the individual I quoted: I don't know what WordPress themes or plugins you have been using, but most of the themes I've used all have H1 tags used for the post title and for the front page the H1 is usually your logo or company name (which makes sense). If you're so bothered by it, why not make a few simple changes and SEO the website the way you want it? It seems like you're just incapable of handling a CMS made for "newbies" -- you're describing flaws that can easily be corrected and some I've never even noticed before.
     
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    But if you know how to secure your site with .htaccess and wp-admin you'll overcome that (hack) issue easily.

     
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    WP and Blogger are like the McDonald's of web site creation. They exist not to provide the best hamburgers on earth, but the most dependable, accessible and easy to use blogging platforms on earth. WP adds superior flexibility to those benefits compared to Blogger, but both serve the immediate purposes of most IM bloggers, which is to have a suitably functional and (depending on the theme/template) attractive looking, SEO friendly platform through which to monetize content.

    Those desiring extreme functionality can always get a coder to custom build a full site (or take the months needed to learn how to do it themselves). For the average marketer, the site only needs to look customized or specially designed, to give the good first impression needed to facilitate click throughs or sales. If there are special needs, a site of this type only needs the appropriate plug-in for it, say for security or traffic building purposes, not a ground-floor reprogramming. Just because IMers don't really need complicated sites for most purposes, doesn't mean they are newbies.
     
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    Wordpress is very easy to use. Themes are very creative and attractive. I enjoyed using it and can't hardly noticed the time because I am so focused with it. Just pm me if you need my assistance in wordpress :)

    Cheers!