Toyo is a theif!

[Deleted member 36594]

I can somehow theorized what happened.

OP is doing some penny stock newsletter (for pump and dump) and approached Toyo for his mailing service. Toyo was tempted by the huge amount of money, but knew such activity (pump and dump) is illegal since he already studied law.

Assuming that BHW would not support any deals handled outside of the B/S section, Toyo realized this could be an easy way to sucker OP out.
So he accepted the money and ignored him.

Then when this thread was created, Toyo started defending himself with BHW's rules


If the above is true, then Toyo should be banned for scamming a fellow member despite this was done outside of the B/S section.
It is not about whether OP is doing anything illegal since he is only paying someone to do a task. What matters most is the integrity and professionalism. What Toyo did is totally unacceptable.

 

[lelando]

Toyo's no scammer I did bussiness with him and got exactly what I paid for.as for the mailing part-

I mailed for him, but given the type of mailing he wanted, the IPs got canned fast by all the ISPs. I never did pump and dump before, but looks like the mail ISPs are pretty vigilant on this type of mailing.

As he said he did exactly what he was told and paid for so if the ips got canned quickly its not his fault the op didnt have a clean opt in list.

Dude always use a clean list I learned the hard way.

 

[winordietrying]

Another questions is - did they both discuss a refund? before starting to flame each other in public?
Also it seems to me that OP is too naive. Ive seen "buyers" like that before - they actually try to use for their money laundry scheme and send you a large sum - just a thought.

OP said: After he received the funds TOYO removed me from his skype and blocked me

 

[july23]

Another questions is - did they both discuss a refund? before starting to flame each other in public?
Also it seems to me that OP is too naive. Ive seen "buyers" like that before - they actually try to use for their money laundry scheme and send you a large sum - just a thought.

How would the OP can even discuss to ask refund if every attempt of message and adding on skype are being ignore. please read the whole dumb thread bro

 

[extremephp]

This deal was done completely outside of BHW, so a shitlist claim within BHW does not stand as per the rules.

Well, You are wrong, and if you go to some old shitlist threads, I have seen the admins getting down to the problem, when someone scammed a guy, the deals went outside BHW, but the admins kicked the scammer off because he was a member here.

No way, BHW is going to host scammers. Doesnt mean you are a scammer, or he is just making up stories. Just wanted to put my 2 cents.

I easily get people directly my skype from BHW, but If I scam them, I am gonna get kicked too.

 

[sukataetumba]

Toyo's no scammer I did bussiness with him and got exactly what I paid for.as for the mailing part-As he said he did exactly what he was told and paid for so if the ips got canned quickly its not his fault the op didnt have a clean opt in list.

Dude always use a clean list I learned the hard way.

I think you missed this part of the thread

I am marketer, I hired TOYO to do a mailing for me. I made arrangements for him to mail 10 million emails for me using his list and servers.

 

[extremephp]

Yep, that's very stupid! Who pays 100% in advance! Even if the freelancer lives in the same city as yours!

Thats why BHW is really called the Great BHW. Trust gained here really stands. People would mind paying money seeing they are reputed.

Well, as everywhere, there happens to be some bad ones among all the good ones.

 

[BigBuddy]

Even though the deal happened outside of BHW, considering the amount involved, we mods will initiate action.

So Toyo, post the whole chat info here..and i need your reply..

 

[antsaoo]

I mailed for him, but given the type of mailing he wanted, the IPs got canned fast by all the ISPs. I never did pump and dump before, but looks like the mail ISPs are pretty vigilant on this type of mailing.

I don't know about mailing but seems toyo did something atleast but stuff did not go as well as supposed and he could not fully deliver.

 

[toyo]

Even though the deal happened outside of BHW, considering the amount involved, we mods will initiate action.

So Toyo, post the whole chat info here..and i need your reply..

Can you first remove the all the personal information posted in the opening thread? Or are you gonna make another exception here?

 

[lelando]

I think you missed this part of the thread

I see what you mean sorry didnt fully read that one

 

[proxygo]

ive just spoken to toyo on skype
i asked some questions. judge for
yourself.


[3:49:28 PM] ME: mind if i ask afew questions
[3:49:35 PM] Toyo: yeah, sure
[3:50:30 PM] ME: user says - payed 4k - then u deleted him no service
provided - true or not ? and a 4k shit list thread, shouldnt u reply. thats alot
of money to ingore.

[3:51:04 PM] Toyo: My proxy botnet got blacklisted quite fast with his emails
8.2k out of 10k got blacklisted then I stopped I'm losing way more than
4k because of his crap

isnt using a bot net on bhw illegal ? thats using compromised Trojaned
pcs as spam tools - next

[3:56:18 PM] Toyo: so you run a botnet as well?

no i dont i dont deal in hacked pcs - thats just bad.

[3:57:22 PM] Toyo: yeah, this deal has nothing to do with BHW, and also
its illegal, as the leads he wanted me to mail is not opt in

his leads were illegal ? so was using a botnet 2 wrongs dont make a
right

NOW HES UNSURE

[3:57:49 PM] ME: so he didnt hire u through bhw
[3:58:04 PM] Toyo: yes
[3:58:17 PM] ME: so your breaking the rules as well
[3:58:30 PM] Toyo: I don't advertise my mailing sevices through bhw, at all
[3:58:32 PM] ME: u took the sale through pm knowing its not allowed
[3:58:45 PM] Toyo: no, we didn't deal through pm
[3:58:47 PM] Toyo: through skype
[3:58:49 PM] ME: of bhw ?
[3:59:05 PM] ME: he hired u from outside bhw
[3:59:11 PM] Toyo: not sure, perhaps, I'm not sure where he got my contact details from

ME: for 4k u sould be its your buisness 2 no
can u prove to him u sent them?

[4:00:58 PM] Toyo: I used send-safe, and it doesn't publish reports
[4:01:21 PM] ME: so u have nothing to show u did anything at all

he stopped replying - draw your own conclusion

 

[milans]

Just admit you already spent the money last night haha!

 

[july23]

Even though the deal happened outside of BHW, considering the amount involved, we mods will initiate action.

So Toyo, post the whole chat info here..and i need your reply..

Answer now TOYO

OR ELSE

 

[winordietrying]

ive just spoken to toyo on skype
i asked some questions. judge for
yourself.


[3:49:28 PM] ME: mind if i ask afew questions
[3:49:35 PM] Toyo: yeah, sure
[3:50:30 PM] ME: user says - payed 4k - then u deleted him no service
provided - true or not ? and a 4k shit list thread, shouldnt u reply. thats alot
of money to ingore.

[3:51:04 PM] Toyo: My proxy botnet got blacklisted quite fast with his emails
8.2k out of 10k got blacklisted then I stopped I'm losing way more than 4k because of his crap

isnt using a bot net on bhw illegal ? thats using compromised Trojaned
pcs as spam tools - next

[3:56:18 PM] Toyo: so you run a botnet as well?

no i dont i dont deal in hacked pcs - thats just bad.

[3:57:22 PM] Toyo: yeah, this deal has nothing to do with BHW, and also its illegal, as the leads he wanted me to mail is not opt in

his leads were illegal ? so was using a botnet 2 wrongs dont make a
right

NOW HES UNSURE

[3:57:49 PM] ME: so he didnt hire u through bhw
[3:58:04 PM] Toyo: yes
[3:58:17 PM] ME: so your breaking the rules as well
[3:58:30 PM] Toyo: I don't advertise my mailing sevices through bhw, at all
[3:58:32 PM] ME: u took the sale through pm knowing its not allowed
[3:58:45 PM] Toyo: no, we didn't deal through pm
[3:58:47 PM] Toyo: through skype
[3:58:49 PM] ME: of bhw ?
[3:59:05 PM] ME: he hired u from outside bhw
[3:59:11 PM] Toyo: not sure, perhaps, I'm not sure where he got my contact details from

ME: for 4k u sould be its your buisness 2 no
can u prove to him u sent them?

[4:00:58 PM] Toyo: I used send-safe, and it doesn't publish reports
[4:01:21 PM] ME: so u have nothing to show u did anything at all

he stopped replying - draw your own conclusion

This sounds really bad.

 

[Black.Star]

Stupid post from my side.
I will let the mods do their job

 

[BigBuddy]

Can you first remove the all the personal information posted in the opening thread? Or are you gonna make another exception here?

Exception? Don't command me... I know what i am doing...

Just post your side and i will take care of that personal info...

 

[monkid]

Come on TOYO @ JOSHVINDER SINGH WALIA, just answer the questions. 4k is big money!! It is equal RM12000 (Malaysian Currency) and 6 months of salary of average Malaysian. I'm from Malaysia too. It's shameful.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Can you first remove the all the personal information posted in the opening thread? Or are you gonna make another exception here?

this attitude towards a mod is going to get you banned for sure

 

[proxygo]

well BB is here now it will get sorted.

the only things that bothered me was
blamed the users leads for the failed mails saying they
were illegal - but so is using a botnet to do it, very illegal
he had no proof the job was done.
then stopped replying.