Issues with back link building...

GraveDigger00

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Hello, I am fairly new to the forums, and have been into IM and SEO since the beginning of the year. I have a pretty good handle on most parts of SEO and IM, except getting those back links indexed! It's getting very frustrating! I have a local business that I have been trying rank higher for, and it has gone back and forth so much. I know some is to be expected. It's also been from Jan that I have been working on this, started off with like 11 back links. Ordered 1000 forum profile links, and saw it go up to 24 pretty quick. Its been 6 months now, and I have been up to the 30's, 40's, and even 59 about a month ago, and now I am back down to 24 back links! WTF! I scraped those 1k links that I did in January, and 300 are still good! Where are they? Let it happen naturally is BS! I use SeNukeX, and I am going to get paid linklicious soon, but thus far, have been pinging links, and using senuke indexer. I do seem to see increases, took a little hit in ranks after panda, and how slowly climbed again for that local business, but now 24? I just don't get it. Indexing is the hardest part of SEO, there has to be a better way. Any advice? Thanks.
 
.... Indexing is the hardest part of SEO, there has to be a better way. Any advice? Thanks.



Just put your links in linklicious and let it worry about pinging them..it will be automated...so you just put them in and forget about them, then start building more links.

Linklicious will get them crawled and getting them crawled will boost your SERPS..stop worrying about getting them indexed...that will happen naturally for a lot of them but shouldn't be your focus.

Your wasting your time worrying about something you cant even get an accurate answer on and that isn't needed to increase your SERPS. Indexing HELPS your SERPS..it isn't required...worry about things that are required like "Getting your links crawled".

While your spending time trying to get the links you had indexed (even though they are already crawled and giving you juice) You could of been spending time getting more backlinks created and crawled to boost your SERPS.

:)
 
Thanks for the reply, that's kind of how I have been starting to think looking more into Linklicious, just get massive amounts crawled. Yeah I guess I never really knew that, so even though I have only roughly 24 visible back links, and not 324, I am still getting juice from those non indexed links? I heard SEO Spyglass was about the most accurate tool.
 
Yeah I guess I never really knew that, so even though I have only roughly 24 visible back links, and not 324, I am still getting juice from those non indexed links? I heard SEO Spyglass was about the most accurate tool.

Yes, exactly..as long as those links are CRAWLED. As far as most accurate tool, there are a bunch..., but none of them are close to accurate. Generally they show A LOT less, but then again it may be just showing just a little less. (100s or 1000s)

What they give you is what they want you to see and weak people cling to it because then need something to measure what they are doing...they can't stand the waiting and so they sit by the computer using google webmaster tools or SEO spyglass checking their indexed links hoping its gone up so that they can sit back and breath for another two minutes before they go check again lol.


Here is a couple of case studies we did and sent out in a news letter.

Crawling vs. Indexing

There is a lot of buzz around getting "indexed by Google" and I think it's important to weigh in on the issue. I'll start with the summary and work backwards...

SUMMARY
If you are doing heavy link building (profiles, comments, and other weak links) Linklicious is a perfect tool because it guarantees crawling at 100%.

FACTS
You can rank with zero links in the index
Indexed links are more valuable than non-indexed links
Weak links are difficult to index and are poorly found by Google
Getting links indexed is time consuming and/or expensive
DETAILS
We rank terms all the time with just profiles or profiles and a blog/article blast. Let me give an example... This week one of our local clients made it to page 1 for 'Houston Diabetes'. This interior page was a brand new page and not in the top 250 but we built some profiles and 8 days later it was on page 1. We did an index check on the links and exactly two were indexed.
It goes without saying that indexed links are more valuable and give more juice than non-indexed links. If Google sees something as valuable it puts it in the index or cache and does its best to leave the weak pages out. I haven't done enough testing to measure exactly how much more an indexed link is worth, so I won't make a pull-it-out-of-my-rear guess.
For those of you who have tried to index weak links, you'll know the amount of work it can take. I've run an enormous amount of tests to see what can do it - tweets, pings, blog comments, other forum profiles. The bottom line is it can take a dozen or more links just to get one page indexed. Common sense tells me that those dozen links would be more effective and less diluted pointing directly at my money site.
If you get 1000 forum profiles or blog comments, getting them indexed is silly. You are going to need a huge farm of BIE or BE sites or pay a lot of money per link. Do you want to spend time managing those setups, creating the 2.0 accounts, handling the accounts that have been killed, or paying a lot per link? For those of us where time is valuable, it's much better to save time and shift the money to buying more links. It's the same (or less) cost, and an enormous amount more time.
When does indexing make sense?
When you are trying to build a balanced link profile of spam vs good stuff is one good case.
If you want to keep the backlinking profile clear of too many spammy links.
Link pinging from Linklicious is great for two reasons:
It is dirt cheap.
It can make your forum profiles go from 5% to 100% crawls, which is a 20x improvement in your effectiveness. I know it's obvious to most, but this is important: if your link isn't crawled it does you no good!
Can Linklicious help you with indexing? Sure, a bit. But Google will never keep weak pages in the index for long. The main goal of the site is to magnify and multiply the effect of your everyday volume link building. It isn't a golden ticket to #1, but it lets you extract the full value from your current link building efforts.


Notes from the site:
We've been live two weeks now!
We have a couple of cool things coming for the Pro users to make the service even more awesomer (oh yeah!)
We've upped our capacity to handle over 40 crawls a second. For comparison's sake, on the initial beta site we could handle just 1.6! We can scale up in literally an hour should we have the need.
We are waiting for our DBA to get back from a personal matter to make some important performance tweeks. Right now adding links manually sometimes is unbearably slow. We're on it!
We pushed out some 10 minor edits this past week and have another 10 or so on tap for this coming week.
We've had some great suggestions around the Wordpress plugin and will put those in the queue.
I've got three favors to ask:
If you've seen good success with the service, please post up in forums about it. We aren't advertising and word of mouth really helps us continue to improve and grow.
If you have any ideas about how we can make the service better, please send them in. We have enough in the queue to get us through February, but I want to keep this baby growing!
If you aren't tracking your results, please do. As SEOs you have an obligation to maximize your success. If you don't measure everything you do, you are just making your life that much harder. For every keyword I target I keep a log in a Google doc detailing how many links I build, what type of link I build, and when I make them. When I rank my words I can immediately see exactly what did it.
About Linklicious
Linklicious was built by Houston SEO - Houston Web Designer - Humankind Search Engine Optimization and is designed and constructed by professional IN HOUSE developers. Our projects have ranged from transactional systems handling millions of dollars a month to fault tolerant server farms with a dozen or more boxes. I want this service to be amazing and useful, to continue to focus on automating the tedius parts of our job, and keep our community strong.

If you are confused about the service or wonder how all of this works, take a look at the infographic. And if you haven't upgraded, check out on what you are missing out on!


Stay tuned as we shake things up!


And another


Is Indexing Required to Rank in Google?

In the search engine optimization world, the latest fad is getting in the Google index. Right now most SEOs think a link doesn't count unless it's in the index, right? Wrong!

Generally SEOs read something that sounds good and they immediately hop on the bandwagon. A couple of years ago you wanted to be in the Google cache for your link to count but most recently it changed to being "indexed". But like we found when making Linklicious and RSS feeds, don't believe the hype.

To give an example of ranking with zero indexed links, let me share with you one of our throwaway made-for-adsense (MFA) sites. We threw this site up six months or so ago to test out some ranking theories and promptly forgot about it. After getting so many questions about indexing and replying so many times, I decided to drag it up as an example I don't mind sharing.

Site: Course Air : Flight training and flight schools for planes and helicopters
Indexed links: Zero
Ranking terms:
air course #1
course air #1
flight course #1
articles on flight school #5
articles on flight training #7
best flight course #7
accelerated flight course #9
accelerated pilot license #9
best flight training #10
the best way to learn to fly #11
accelerated flight courses #12
accelerated flying course #12
accelerated pilot license #14
accelerated pilots license training #15
accelerated flying courses #16



So what's the takeaway? You can rank easily with a large volume of weak links, just like a dripping faucet can fill a bathtub. That's what makes Linklicious.me so powerful - it takes that flood of low quality links and makes sure they are found and counted.

This begs the question though. Would I rather have an indexed link or an unindexed link. The answer is indexed of course, simply because Google considers it more valuable. But I think so little of indexing that I never even check to see my indexing stats. Instead of building 10 or 50 links to get a page indexed, just throw those links at your money site where they can make a direct and obvious benefit without link juice dilution.

So head out there and start testing these "facts" you hear about. Don't take what I or anyone else spouts as the truth. (And of course share some secrets with us when you find them!)

Linklicious Updates
Major overhaul to the database schema and indexing approach to speed up overall system.
It is widely known that Google crawl depth is partly determined by page load speed. We improved our render time from ~400ms to ~150ms for your links.
A handful of cosmetic changes and fixes.
We have a new/rare database deadlock issue that pops up once or twice a day that we should get under control today or tomorrow.
Due to our growing pains, we want to do the right thing by you guys. We are going to add an additional week of free service for every subscriber. Those of you who already got one week, you'll get another. If you are a free user, you have around 24 hours to sign up to get the free week. We're SEOs like you and just want to give you great tools for your job.
We have a ginormous list of improvements on our product roadmap, but are really focused on getting this core faster and bug free for the site's primary purpose - getting your links crawled. As soon as we feel the site is where it needs to be we'll move to those enhancements.

About Linklicious
Linklicious was built by Houston SEO - Houston Web Designer - Humankind Search Engine Optimization and is designed and constructed by professional IN HOUSE developers. Our projects have ranged from transactional systems handling millions of dollars a month to fault tolerant server farms with a dozen or more boxes. I want this service to be amazing and useful, to continue to focus on automating the tedius parts of our job, and keep our community strong.

If you are confused about the service or wonder how all of this works, take a look at the infographic. And if you haven't upgraded, check out on what you are missing out on!
 
Very awesome info, thank you very much. I see the light now, and I will stop checking SEO Spyglass every 2 breathes! LOL! Thanks again.
 
Just keep building backlinks and as mentioned above, don't check Spyglass and other tools every few minutes.

Its actually a rookie mistake, I used to do that religiously to (as well as check rankings hourly). As you get more and more used to SEO you begin to check your rankings and backlinks far less often.

Remember though that its all about backlink building consistently. Doing one Xrumer or similar blast isn't gonna get you very far. What you need to do is continually build links to your site, new content, and most of all be patient and give it time. SEO is something that requires patience.
 
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