PowerMTA bulk email sending questions

[akjessam]

Yes, people say KumoMTA and MailerQ are better than Pmta but what's the use if we don't have these files ? If anyone have could you share or share how can we get 1.

 

[Sister Spam]

Yes, people say KumoMTA and MailerQ are better than Pmta but what's the use if we don't have these files ? If anyone have could you share or share how can we get 1.

KumoMTA > MailerQ > PMTA.

And imagine, KumoMTA is free to use.

You just need avg. Western IQ (105) to handle it.

 

[cryptom0]

KumoMTA > PMTA

did you try KumoMTA and is not so good as pmta ?

 

[Casualbro]

I have russian course which completely with all the tools , will it worth trying in 2025? Someone Please reply , Do bulk email marketing worth trying in 2025?, the course focus on CPA Marketing

 

[cryptom0]

I have russian course which completely with all the tools , will it worth trying in 2025? Someone Please reply , Do bulk email marketing worth trying in 2025?, the course focus on CPA MarketingView attachment 422427

can you share it ?

 

[Sister Spam]

did you try KumoMTA and is not so good as pmta ?

I am still using PMTA 5.0 as main sender for most of my mtas but I discovered KumoMTA a couple of weeks ago and its just so much better than PMTA, just f. ex. the entire bounce handling and the mx grouping. It's easy to understand and the documentation is better and it' easier to hire somebody to make customizations, it's open source.

Also, it's free while PMTA isn't accessible anymore and the last nulled is the 5.5 version and we won't ever get any updates anymore for PMTA while KumaMTA is getting updates. KumaMTA is basically the successor of Pmta. And, not to forget, with PMTA you always have the risk that the file you get is a trojaner sending data to somebody.

But if you are used to PMTA, there's no reason to change to KumoMTA. But if you are setting up new mtas, better use KumoMTA. Personall I also have to switch, because the autopmta I have only works for CentOS7 and its end of life already.

 

[cryptom0]

is any auto setup script related to KumoMTA ?

 

[Casualbro]

can you share it ?

Sorry Bro, I paid huge money for the course last year.

 

[cryptom0]

can you share at least some info like:
1) what version powermta and mailerq having in ?
2) did he provide any config files for them to see how is build ed ?
3) did he provide a warmup strategy ?

 

[Sister Spam]

is any auto setup script related to KumoMTA ?

No.

 

[Casualbro]

i just uploaded a screenshot, but somebody deleted, look like i broke the guidelines, you can pm me if you need help bro, thanks

 

[cryptom0]

No.

i did find something, is possible to share the config files that kumomta need to work?

 

[N1pp0N]

I use single IP VPS setups with MailWizz, and I haven’t had much luck with PMTA and inbox rates. One important thing to mention is that I have warmed-up leads because I buy email traffic directly to my squeeze page, which helps me maintain a high server reputation.

What I don’t understand is how anyone can hit the inbox with massive bulk sends if their IPs have no reputation and their lists are unclean and aged—especially now that Gmail introduced AI-driven spam filtering in early 2023 to combat spam messages.

 

[cryptom0]

good warmup
use old domains, new domains auto blocked in the first 90 days
verify lists and reverify before send
and some other ..

 

[Sister Spam]

I use single IP VPS setups with MailWizz, and I haven’t had much luck with PMTA and inbox rates. One important thing to mention is that I have warmed-up leads because I buy email traffic directly to my squeeze page, which helps me maintain a high server reputation.

PMTA isn't responsible for your inbox rate. It does what you tell it to do.

What I don’t understand is how anyone can hit the inbox with massive bulk sends if their IPs have no reputation and their lists are unclean and aged—especially now that Gmail introduced AI-driven spam filtering in early 2023 to combat spam messages.

They either have real confirmed email leads (users who actually want the emails) or they don't.

 

[N1pp0N]

PMTA isn't responsible for your inbox rate. It does what you tell it to do.

I understand, I should have emphasized that earlier. When I used to test PMTA mailing setups, I either did it myself or paid someone experienced in the field. It always leaned toward using multiple IPs in rotation, but that never gave me any results worth mentioning.

Later, I found a formula where I use a single IP with an email client, warm it up properly, and the inbox rate was on par with autoresponder services like AWeber and GetResponse—until the major Gmail update in early 2023.

 

[N1pp0N]

They either have real confirmed email leads (users who actually want the emails) or they don't.

When it comes to lists, how big are they for people using PMTA? I know it’s hard to generalize, but I’m curious about the scale at which it actually works.

If we’re talking about lists with hundreds of thousands of leads, I see a major challenge—how to acquire them while keeping them somewhat fresh and ensuring they engage with your emails.

Where do you even find providers for such leads?

 

[Sister Spam]

When it comes to lists, how big are they for people using PMTA? I know it’s hard to generalize, but I’m curious about the scale at which it actually works.

If we’re talking about lists with hundreds of thousands of leads, I see a major challenge—how to acquire them while keeping them somewhat fresh and ensuring they engage with your emails.

Where do you even find providers for such leads?

Germany f. ex. has a whitelisting program for mailers which affects mostly GMX and Web.de - if you would be a German company with 200,000 confirmed opt ins you would go to an ESP which provides this certification. Then you would inbox to 90% of your leads already. So, as a German marketer you would focus on generating leads this way: spam sweepstakes or whatever -> confirmed opt in -> certified mailing campaigns.

The more email addresses you have, the more you need to spend on your setup, if you want to get inbox to Gmail, you need a low "click spam rate" and probably tens of thousands of your own Gmail accounts for warmup. Or just don't focus on red tape email domains. You don't need to inbox to make money. 10 emails hit the spambox are better than 1 hitting the inbox.

A lead might get "old" but the email never gets. I am sending to the same emails since decades with always adding new email addresses and every day same amount of sales.

 

[N1pp0N]

Germany f. ex. has a whitelisting program for mailers which affects mostly GMX and Web.de - if you would be a German company with 200,000 confirmed opt ins you would go to an ESP which provides this certification. Then you would inbox to 90% of your leads already. So, as a German marketer you would focus on generating leads this way: spam sweepstakes or whatever -> confirmed opt in -> certified mailing campaigns.

The more email addresses you have, the more you need to spend on your setup, if you want to get inbox to Gmail, you need a low "click spam rate" and probably tens of thousands of your own Gmail accounts for warmup. Or just don't focus on red tape email domains. You don't need to inbox to make money. 10 emails hit the spambox are better than 1 hitting the inbox.

A lead might get "old" but the email never gets. I am sending to the same emails since decades with always adding new email addresses and every day same amount of sales.

Let’s take an example: I have 100K email leads in the 'Make Money Online' niche, all collected personally over the past few months. What would be your advice on contacting them all at once?

You might be wondering why I haven’t been emailing them continuously as I collected them. The reason is that my system automatically disables leads that haven’t engaged in the past XX days (usually 21 days). I’ve found that this approach works best with my single IP VPS setups.

So, I have about 100K leads from the past 12 months, and I also have many older leads, as I’ve been doing email marketing since 2013.

Thanks for your input!

 

[Sister Spam]

Let’s take an example: I have 100K email leads in the 'Make Money Online' niche, all collected personally over the past few months. What would be your advice on contacting them all at once?

If your budget is low, just do random VPS mailing.

If it's legit and the budget is medium go to Sendgrid or Amazon or Mailchimp or Brevo. Brevo also has the German "inbox garantuee" certification. Depending on how many Hotmail and Gmail addresses, add a generic warmp SaaS or do it on your own.

If your budget is high, buy your own /24 IPs and use KumoMTA/PMTA with a sender application like Sendy/IEM/AtomicMailer.

"Legit" is also always subjective. If you just upload your list to f. ex. Sendgrid you might get some questions asked (they are pretty cool tho). Mailchimp probably would just ban you without refunds. Best approach for ESPs which allow single optins (non-confirmed) is to feed like 100-200 per day to them with proxies and a landing page connected to their api so they really think its all legit.

Btw, I am doing a mix of all of that, Sendgrid, Amazon and a couple of /24s with PMTA and in the future KomuMTA and mostly use a customized Sendy version and AtomicMailer. I used SSE Enterprise for 15 years but then finally my disk crashed and the key wasnt working anymore.

You might be wondering why I haven’t been emailing them continuously as I collected them. The reason is that my system automatically disables leads that haven’t engaged in the past XX days (usually 21 days). I’ve found that this approach works best with my single IP VPS setups.

Email addresses never expire, unless quota or hard bounced. Removing emails which havent been opend the last 100 email campaigns might be an option but many email providers block the trackers and you might end up deleting emails which are active. I only delete based on no MX on domain, quota, hard bounce, spamtrap or unsubscribe, I would never delete because they are "old".