A New Scamming Model Arises

[RichMedusa]

KYC, aged accounts, farmed accounts with comments... this can be easily circumvented
But, implementing the Escrow system... I think that's the strongest anti-scam measure that can be done here

 

[mareks]

Got scammed in DM today here on BHW. And found out that guy scammed in his BST another person. I contacted that other person and he sent me screen that guy is laughing basically about BHW. He has new BST approved in his other account.

Whats worse, I can't put dispute up because 48 hours have not passed. And he "might" refund. But I know he will be gone since he told that other guy.

ESCROW is only way.

Got scammed in DM today here on BHW. And found out that guy scammed in his BST another person. I contacted that other person and he sent me screen that guy is laughing basically about BHW. He has new BST approved in his other account.

Whats worse, I can't put dispute up because 48 hours have not passed. And he "might" refund. But I know he will be gone since he told that other guy.

ESCROW is only way.

And I know that BHW can afford create escrow inside forum. It would make BHW the best place to make business. Really, not sure why it was not done before. Maybe people were more honest 10 years ago here.

 

[iki]

Just never use crypto, bank wires to pay anyone especially new non reputable sellers.

 

[andyframpton]

To me, it is about TG and crypto, and I think that you're an exception and not a representation of how it usually works.

You can't really enforce people to do decent due diligence.

It use to be Skype where people scammed. You can’t blame telegram.
People scam by letter, ban all letters?
Scammers scam.

 

[mareks]

Just never use crypto, bank wires to pay anyone especially new non reputable sellers.

Crypto itself is not a problem, you can make escrow which accepts crypto.

I got scammed by old account. The problem is that you can't trust anymore any sellers. And the thing is - I will not buy anything anymore here. Except from people I know and had business before.

 

[CYBERTRON]

yes TG is mainly used by all scammers

In your opinion why is skype (a platform with absolutely no additional security compared to Telegram) so much better?

 

[mareks]

Just look, flippa has this solved long time ago. Escrow is the way. But BHW style. Mods/admins would be more working on cases in Escrow, instead of rare cases of Disputes.

@BassTrackerBoats - Hey, could you please let Diamond Dave or whos in control to know about this problem.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Just look, flippa has this solved long time ago. Escrow is the way. But BHW style. Mods/admins would be more working on cases in Escrow, instead of rare cases of Disputes.

@BassTrackerBoats - Hey, could you please let Diamond Dave or whos in control to know about this problem.

It is @Diamond Damien and im sure he will respond in a timely manner as he always does.

 

[joeopenai]

It is @Diamond Damien and im sure he will respond in a timely manner as he always does.

I suggest that the staff should monitor the transactions of BHW forum accounts, because many member account holders sell their accounts, giving scammers an opportunity to take advantage. However, if the forum establishes a transaction guarantee center, it may prevent some people from being scammed. It also improves the credibility of the forum. Now as long as there are some hot posts here, they will be targeted by scammers!

 

[facebook fans]

Says the person who started a thread just doing that maybe you try to scare people away from other sellers and want them to come to only you who knows. It’s a dangerous world out there and of course there’s a lot of scammers on here that’s for sure.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/p...eyhat-and-blackhat-ads.1605385/#post-17803246

 

[OccultKingdoms]

Says the person who started a thread just doing that maybe you try to scare people away from other sellers and want them to come to only you who knows. It’s a dangerous world out there and of course there’s a lot of scammers on here that’s for sure.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/premium-275-google-ads-accounts-run-whitehat-greyhat-and-blackhat-ads.1605385/#post-17803246

Wooow what an opportunity turn jr vip account + multiple marketplace threads to $275... and be memorized as Sartre.

 

[deppo]

Says the person who started a thread just doing that maybe you try to scare people away from other sellers and want them to come to only you who knows. It’s a dangerous world out there and of course there’s a lot of scammers on here that’s for sure.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/p...eyhat-and-blackhat-ads.1605385/#post-17803246

I think, before mum calls you back to finish up with dinner, you should first have a quick look at the Dispute section.

Thanks for the free advertisement too.

 

[joeopenai]

I think, before mum calls you back to finish up with dinner, you should first have a quick look at the Dispute section.

Thanks for the free advertisement too.

I think he sees you making money, so he becomes jealous. There are a lot of scammers here, so the scammers may form gangs to attack some businessmen.

 

[facebook fans]

Don’t get your feelings hurt and keep my mother out of this since she left this world not long ago. Admins need to ban people like you from this platform cos I know if I was one I would sure have done it after seeing your posts. Getting all emotional about the truth it’s a sad world

I think he sees you making money, so he becomes jealous. There are a lot of scammers here, so the scammers may form gangs to attack some businessmen.

If your sending this my way then your buzzing cos I been a buyer since the day I registered on here and will never sell anything on here but thanks

 

[joeopenai]

If your sending this my way then your buzzing cos I been a buyer since the day I registered on here and will never sell anything on here but thanks

I believe your brother because you may not have more funds to pay for the membership. So don't be embarrassed, you can earn money to pay for the membership

 

[Lukmat]

Because I am selling digital products, I will never accept escrow stuff. Dealt with this on other forums. Even huge forum with social media accounts for sell. I was waiting as buyer for 1 week to get my accounts I paid for. It's simple stuck on middleman side. It was rule there. As seller, I want to get my payment now and usualy buyers want to receive product immediately. Introducing middleman will make the whole transaction longer, much longer.

If you have big transactions, then go use escrow.com
Many guys are yelling here to force sellers to use escrow services. I heard it will not be required in The Marketplace 2.0 but only option.
So what's the point? You can use escrow services even now.

Nobody will force sellers to use it. Personaly I prefer to even not sell, than use some escrow crap.

90% services on BHW will not use because it's complicated:
-smm panels, forget about escrow, they are re-selling from Asian providers and their script don't have escrow
-graphics, website designers, you can check portfolio, nobody will do the job and then risk with some middleman
-saas, micro saas, applications, good luck that developer will introduce escrow to their licencing system
-ebooks, courses, methods -> sellers want money immediately, buyers want content immediately, giving it to some escrow is risk for leaks. Why should middleman read your content?
-domains / websites -> escrow impossible, you are giving it directly to buyer, changing domain owner, giving out files, etc.
-SEO -> escrow impossible, nobody will give you SEO services, link building and freeze their payment in limbo

Escrow is possible only for:
-accounts, but only if middleman check if account is working. Still, most of sellers resign. What if the middleman just screw account? From buyer perspective. Middleman checked credentials, everything is ok. Released payment and account banned after buyer logged in because platform detected weird behavior. Whoes fault?

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I think escrow fans are not thinking about loopholes. Escrow can be bypassed, middleman can be not solid, it's not for most services on BHW.
You can still use commercial escrow services. Why not? But don't push it here.

Good it will not be required. Even in The Marketplace 2.0
Result would be overkill. Most of sellers would just leave BHW.

 

[xReminisce]

You do see how this may sound like racism, right ?

I think you are referring to discrimination ?

 

[Lukmat]

Best thing that could be done is to make every seller here accept atleast one of the mainstream payment options from which buyers can get a refund in case of a scam.

This is the most stupid suggestion. No offence.
I consciously resigned from using card payments, PayPal here on BHW.
4/10 transactions were friendly scam from buyers. After they receive stuff, they were making chargeback, fraudulent refund request. Many of them... 5 minutes after transaction.
I lost that way Transferwise, Payoneer and even Revolut because people were overusing it. I had to resign even from using SEPA wire transfers because few guys tried to friendly scam with SEPA mechanism contacted bank ... hour after transaction!

For BHW I am using only crypto. We have here crowds of sneaky guys, who are making living from that.
I see you can pay with cards mostly for subscriptions in saas/micro saas. Most sellers are using only crypto.

Reason is not because sellers want to scam you. They want to avoid beeing scammed by buyers.
Try, accept PayPal on BHW. You will loose account after month with debts.
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Another question for escrow fans. How the middleman will avoid friendly scams? Because BHW will loose card/paypal accounts very fast. They will need to hire a lawyer to respond to all these disputes / chargeback requests. On the end, payment providers will say "stop, that's enough".

 

[BNB]

@Lukmat BHW can't mimic middle man, they would do it by now. You are right.

But BHW can add a rule to stop off-forum communication.

They should simply remove and warn/ban users (all levels) who leave their TG everywhere, and they should remove TG and other contact forms from every active/inactive BST.

This way, everyone can send their TG but via BHW PM only, or paid membership levels only.

Too many free tier users are abusing TG contact, they spam a lot BHW in certain hours, it is ridiculous.

I went hunt mode few times and saw that their TG posts are up for months, and they only spam TG contact offering stuff.

Sometimes they reply something random. Bunch of these accounts, if they can survive for months, we should have that rule.

Sellers and imposters, are whole another level, it's impossible to deal with everyone, but BHW can still prevent them to advertise their off-forum contacts.

Mess will stick around even with DM's. No staff member will be able to track or catch every detail, but within some time, it could eventually help and show some green light from BHW staff side, that they are invested to reduce the damage.

@Diamond Damien

 

[Lukmat]

@Lukmat BHW can't mimic middle man, they would do it by now. You are right.
They should simply remove and warn/ban users (all levels) who leave their TG everywhere, and they should remove TG and other contact forms from every active/inactive BST.

I've done it myself year ago. All transactions must go via PM or email. Telegram is for buyers only for support.
Some pre-buyers were angry, but I've gained only time. Nothing is worse than not decided buyer who want to chit chat with you for few hours and then tell you "ill buy in next month", then never come back. Buyers should ask concrete questions in list via PM or email to not loose both sides time.

But I see your point. Especialy for WTB/HAF section, where people are not doing anything else than spamming their Telegram.
Even buyer want to hire to make a mobile app. I bet 90% of responders cannot even code. They want to get this task and hire own cheap labour force in own country.
Most of scams are also via WTB/HAF. Established sellers in The Marketplace are scared to even no offend their buyers.