How effective is a link wheel?

Doing a link wheel and only a link wheel could really hurt your site. Random Chaos is what will really help your site int he search engines.

Take a look at the free ebook in my sig for some ideas.
 
I use a few linkwheel services before and so far it's still very effective! I still see good results even if it's a small linkwheel.
 
Doing a link wheel and only a link wheel could really hurt your site. Random Chaos is what will really help your site int he search engines.

Take a look at the free ebook in my sig for some ideas.
I looked at your e-book and it's a really good share, thanks.

You describe in the book exactly the type of structure I was talking about in my reply. It gives a good blueprint for creating a structure that will maintain a semblance of randomness, and still multiply pr as its fed toward the hub site.

Anyone that's planning to build their own linkwheel should download BassTrackerBoats' ebook.
 
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How effective is a linkwheel?
The answer is the same as the answer to "how effective is a website?"

who made it, and how well?
 
Thats where the problem lies, if a specific structure is given and copied then that structure will become ineffective as well. Some things are better shared as concepts and then left for the individuals to work out the specifics.

Linkwheel is just a good term to use to describe a type of artificially interlinked system. Search the downloads section for an ebook called linkwheelexplained.pdf download it and read it. That explains the original linkwheel concept and the original spoked wheel closed link structure. Get an understanding of how the interlinking is funneling the most amount of pr to the hub site.

Once you have that understanding, map out your own structure. Make it an open link structure, simulate more randomness that a simple spoked wheel, and use the math to make the interlinking funnel as much as pr as possible to the hub site.

Even better than linking to your main site, your should create silo sites. Create several sites that are real sites that are not linked together at all, create original content relevant to your main site, basically jsut a few minisites that compliment your main site. They need to be on there own domains and preferably seperate ip.

Do your standard whitehat link building for each silo. Then create a seperate link wheel for each silo. Each of the linkwheels should be mapped out with a different structure. The idea is to create your own mini authority sites. Then each of those sites will link to your main site. While doing all of that also do regular whitehat seo backlinking to your main site so everything looks really natural. The regular backlinking, combined with your 4 or 5 silo backlinks, should give your main site some authority and really help move it up in the serps.

The concept is still great, you just can't copy each others linkwheel structures anymore. I think there are a few linkwheel services in the bst threads that are considered effective. I haven't checked them myself so I don't know for sure. I imagine if they are still selling the service they've adjusted their linking structures to stay effective. You'll need to ask them yourself before deciding to outsource it. It will be pretty difficult to do it right yourself if you don't have a pretty good understanding of the concept.

Thats the concept and the theory anyway. Now you have to map the specific structure yourself. The days of sharing a linkwheel structure are gone. Thats why you hear so many people saying linkwheels are dead.

Good luck :beerchug:

edit- Linkwheels are for advanced seo only. You don't want to start with them. If you make a mistake you can do more harm than good. If natural backlinking were happening to a site, the authority sites would be the later sites that would be linked to anyway. Start with the simple stuff like bookmarking and profile links, then move on to directory submissions, then on to article sites and blog submissions, and then start thinking about link wheels and link silos. That's much closer to how link growth would happen with a real site going viral on it's own. That's the kind of thing you're trying to simulate, you want the SE to think your site is truly getting popular on its own merit. If you succeed then you end up at the top of the SERP.

If you need a primer on basic seo, go read this thread. You want to be doing all the basic seo suggestions before you start using more advanced tactics.
Really thank you for that post :) I was thinking whether I should make a normal linkwheel but to leave it open, but now I think I should try to make something more unique...
 
How effective is a linkwheel?
The answer is the same as the answer to "how effective is a website?"

who made it, and how well?
With this statement, you've really distilled everything down to the fundamental answer to almost ever question on the forum.


Even the best methods will be ineffective if they are executed poorly and without proper understanding.

Conversely, even the worst possible methods can achieve great success if they are well planned out and implemented correctly.
 
How do you "mix" it up?

Take a look at this:

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Using SERPAssist, you can easily mix it up and create the structured chaos that folks are talking about.

I am not selling SERPAssist, so this is NOT an ad - this is just an illustration of what people mean by mixing things up...
 
How do you "mix" it up?

Take a look at this:

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Using SERPAssist, you can easily mix it up and create the structured chaos that folks are talking about.

I am not selling SERPAssist, so this is NOT an ad - this is just an illustration of what people mean by mixing things up...

This looks pretty cool. I'll have to look into it further. Thanks.
 
Version 1.0 just launched tonight - come check it out when you get a moment.

Thanks!
 
Wow, great job Tivo. It seems you put a lot of work into this niffy software. :thumb:
 
Linkwheels are good for short term or interim backlink building, regardless of the artificiality issue. As with using blog comment bots, it saves time in putting the backlink web into place while the longer term 'natural' viral backlinks is getting developed. keeping things simple is the entire essence of the success of LW structures. Just because a traditional oven (natural backlinking) has advantages over a microwave oven (artifical backlinking) it doesn't mean the latter has no utility in cooking up one's traffic and linking.

Those worrying about the Google hammer are bringing a WH issue to a BH device---the point isn't to be dependent on SERP to build traffic and links. Using 'no-name' Web 2.0 sites nonetheless bring real visitors in a manner separate from the PR and ranking methodology. A broader system would be to have a simple Web 2.0 LW and an article LW (a key article on your site/blog with 5-6 different major article directories linking to it, and to each other), with feeder or ghost blogs, and blog commenting bots linking to the web and article LWs. The simple LWs, once in place, make it possible to easily build this larger backlink subsystem.
 
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Thanks - it has been a challenge, but with the new service-based model the issues around what works on one PC does on another and all the issues around web sites changing their algorithms have been overcome.

It is pretty cool. :)

Wow, great job Tivo. It seems you put a lot of work into this niffy software. :thumb:
 
So, having said this, what is your opinion on, say, a 50 link network among the smaller 2.0 sites (or even WPMU) vs. 2-3 links from sites like Squidoo?

I am at a crossroads with my tool about moving towards volume vs. quality. :)

Linkwheels are good for short term or interim backlink building, regardless of the artificiality issue. As with using blog comment bots, it saves time in putting the backlink web into place while the longer term 'natural' viral backlinks is getting developed. keeping things simple is the entire essence of the success of LW structures. Just because a traditional oven (natural backlinking) has advantages over a microwave oven (artifical backlinking) it doesn't mean the latter has no utility in cooking up one's traffic and linking.

Those worrying about the Google hammer are bringing a WH issue to a BH device---the point isn't to be dependent on SERP to build traffic and links. Using 'no-name' Web 2.0 sites nonetheless bring real visitors in a manner separate from the PR and ranking methodology. A broader system would be to have a simple Web 2.0 LW and an article LW (a key article on your site/blog with 5-6 different major article directories linking to it, and to each other), with feeder or ghost blogs, and blog commenting bots linking to the web and article LWs. The simple LWs, once in place, make it possible to easily build this larger backlink subsystem.
 
I'd say use it if you have the eoftware or service to construct and keep track of a large backlink net, go for it. I was stressing that a smaller, simple linkwheel still works as a starter system, and can be built from to support a larger or natural link system. I think selecting 5-6 of the most promising 2.0 properties for one LW, and 5-6 of the best article sites for another LW, and linking to all the spokes of both from feeder blogs gives one most of the juice they need for their site to start getting more links and visitors.
 
use it on long tail kws and you will be fine.
 
Greywolf has summed this up really well:

Linkwheels are for advanced seo only. You don't want to start with them. If you make a mistake you can do more harm than good. If natural backlinking were happening to a site, the authority sites would be the later sites that would be linked to anyway. Start with the simple stuff like bookmarking and profile links, then move on to directory submissions, then on to article sites and blog submissions, and then start thinking about link wheels and link silos. That's much closer to how link growth would happen with a real site going viral on it's own. That's the kind of thing you're trying to simulate, you want the SE to think your site is truly getting popular on its own merit. If you succeed then you end up at the top of the SERP.

I have a website dedicated towards this process. Creating decent linkwheels is no easy feat. I have used different proxies to create each property, different emails etc. Once created you have to wait until they are indexed. If a property gets banned you have replace and ping it until it gets indexed once again. If your using a Hubpage for example you have to make sure it has enough points to pass on juice, the points on that Hubpage falls below their level you lose most of the juice in your linkwheel! So there is allot of time involved developing a professional linkwheel and in monitoring it. Having said all of this, I can use a similar system to get results that are just as good and I don't have to monitor those sites like you do with a linkwheel.

However, building a linkwheel is a great way to learn SEO. You can use a number of Web 2.0 properties to do this. You can use both NF and DF properties. Just make sure that when you use a NF property, do not use it in a position to pass juice to other properties. And remember a NF Web 2.0 property is just as good as a NF. It all depends on where, how and why you want to use it.
 
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