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How effective is a link wheel?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cyber702, Apr 2, 2010.

  1. cyber702

    cyber702 Newbie

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    I am reading on the internet that Link Wheels are no longer effective. Is it true Google knows if you are using a Link Wheel method?
     
  2. keith

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    Google *MIGHT* be able to footprint it. Only easy if you complete the wheel.

    Instead, try to use more of a random appearing structure. Have two blogs link to one, and have that one return the link to one of them (it's common to return links in the blogosphere), then have the other one link to nothing but make a blog comment on another blog of yours. Leave no-follow on because Google still crawls it, the value of it is debatable, but it does give the "link wheel" indexing effect without looking fishy.

    Of course, that's for the micromanagers. Myself, I just load the list of blogs on LFE and hit randomly add links. Serves the purpose.


    As for effectiveness, I have a client that I've been trying many, many methods with, and I can definitely say using a link wheel in that method and then XRumer creatively has had the greatest effect.


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    I know what works FOR ME. It might not work that good or at all for you. To many variables to directly apply advice, always personalize anything you read.
     
  3. Italian Hawk

    Italian Hawk Power Member

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    If you ask me, the linkwheel is not the way to go anymore. It's been picked up, too many people use it and it's been taken into consideration by many top search engines. If somebody tells me they believe Google can't track at minimum the basic link wheel I'd love for them to explain to me how it's still effective.

    If you mix up the style a bit to make it look more natural you may have a bit more luck, but that's the same as building a normal link for the most part if you ask me. The time it requires you to spend in order to get all the accounts up can be better spent using other methods.

    Again, my personal opinion. I prefer to use the time building backlinks other ways because linkwheels have minimal impact now and are much more time consuming than just building backlinks in more traditional styles.
     
  4. keith

    keith Junior Member

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    Automation makes this take seconds.

    Look up Link Farm Evolution.
     
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    A linkwheel is only as effective as the the content on each spoke of the wheel.

    Spinning the same article and placing it on 50 sites just doesn't have the juice it used to anymore.
     
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    Link wheels still work, but you have to change it up.

    With that said, there are much better ways of doing your linking that are much more effective.
     
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    What are these much better ways of link building that are more effective???
     
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    blight12 Regular Member

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    I would also like to know. Thanks.

     
  9. cyber702

    cyber702 Newbie

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    Thanks for the feed back. I've been using link wheels but haven't had much luck with them.
     
  10. Talsin

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    Properly ghosted blog farms ?
     
  11. Kitsune

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    i also would like to know what are these more effective methods.
    So far im thinking about making the wheel more natural looking to search engines and then spam the web 2.0 properties using prstorm and maybe some other free linkspam tool
    would that work?
     
  12. maildot

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    What are these much better ways of link building that are more effective???
     
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    In my opinion blog comments and forum profiles work very well and as such, I spend most of my time on them.

    I still use web 2.0 properties, but not in the normal link wheel method.
     
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    What are these much better ways of link building that are more effective???

    Quality content. Deliver a quality article to a quality article directory like ezine or hubpages and you will get juice. One good quality article is worth more than 1000 of these crappy articles from no name web2.0s. Taking one article and spinning it 50 times to a bunch of garbage no matter how you link it is useless.
     
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    Can you let me know how exactly the link wheel shoud be created so the google will not be able to identify it?
     
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    I've heard the same. I'm sure that link wheels have been talked about enough online that Google is going after them now. Once you know what to look for, writing an algorithm to detect and devalue such links is not that hard. Of course, the more complex the wheel, the harder it is to detect. So I am sure that you can implement a variation of the idea of link wheels that involves more sites and more intricate interlinking that Google wouldn't be able to detect. But then that means maintaining and promoting even more sites... so why bother.....

    http://www.adnpost.com
     
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    You bother because back link building is an integral part of SEO, and if you wait for it to happen organically most people are going to be fucked.

    So instead you make something like link wheels, and you do other stuff as well. Only relying on linkwheels probably won't do you much good. But if you haven't got anything in terms of offsite SEO its as good a place to start as any.

    Plus some people prefer to use one or two link wheel style structures which they then heavily promote so as not to cause their money site to dance too much. I'm not saying thats necessarily the right thing to do but it is common practice.
     
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    Link wheels can be good because you can use any content you want and make it very specific to your keywords, whereas blog commenting is all good and well but for maximum effect I find you need to comment on blogs that are very relevant to your niche, and sometimes this can be tricky depending on the niche your in.
     
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    Thats where the problem lies, if a specific structure is given and copied then that structure will become ineffective as well. Some things are better shared as concepts and then left for the individuals to work out the specifics.

    Linkwheel is just a good term to use to describe a type of artificially interlinked system. Search the downloads section for an ebook called linkwheelexplained.pdf download it and read it. That explains the original linkwheel concept and the original spoked wheel closed link structure. Get an understanding of how the interlinking is funneling the most amount of pr to the hub site.

    Once you have that understanding, map out your own structure. Make it an open link structure, simulate more randomness that a simple spoked wheel, and use the math to make the interlinking funnel as much as pr as possible to the hub site.

    Even better than linking to your main site, your should create silo sites. Create several sites that are real sites that are not linked together at all, create original content relevant to your main site, basically jsut a few minisites that compliment your main site. They need to be on there own domains and preferably seperate ip.

    Do your standard whitehat link building for each silo. Then create a seperate link wheel for each silo. Each of the linkwheels should be mapped out with a different structure. The idea is to create your own mini authority sites. Then each of those sites will link to your main site. While doing all of that also do regular whitehat seo backlinking to your main site so everything looks really natural. The regular backlinking, combined with your 4 or 5 silo backlinks, should give your main site some authority and really help move it up in the serps.

    The concept is still great, you just can't copy each others linkwheel structures anymore. I think there are a few linkwheel services in the bst threads that are considered effective. I haven't checked them myself so I don't know for sure. I imagine if they are still selling the service they've adjusted their linking structures to stay effective. You'll need to ask them yourself before deciding to outsource it. It will be pretty difficult to do it right yourself if you don't have a pretty good understanding of the concept.

    Thats the concept and the theory anyway. Now you have to map the specific structure yourself. The days of sharing a linkwheel structure are gone. Thats why you hear so many people saying linkwheels are dead.

    Good luck :beerchug:

    edit- Linkwheels are for advanced seo only. You don't want to start with them. If you make a mistake you can do more harm than good. If natural backlinking were happening to a site, the authority sites would be the later sites that would be linked to anyway. Start with the simple stuff like bookmarking and profile links, then move on to directory submissions, then on to article sites and blog submissions, and then start thinking about link wheels and link silos. That's much closer to how link growth would happen with a real site going viral on it's own. That's the kind of thing you're trying to simulate, you want the SE to think your site is truly getting popular on its own merit. If you succeed then you end up at the top of the SERP.

    If you need a primer on basic seo, go read this thread. You want to be doing all the basic seo suggestions before you start using more advanced tactics.
     
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  20. nice1

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    I read that link wheel pdf - its good - how much value does google give to a ezine back link ? is it worth it ?