SEO is a roulette now?

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in fact, it is possible (and necessary) to make a website and make money on it, but this process is becoming more difficult and longer every year. if you get a little philosophical, you can imagine this process as some entropy
 
Iwanttowin said:
I Completely agree!

I am done with SEO..I am trying to get a job!

I am doing SEO since 2015

Made many websites, Went through many Updates, Sold many websites on Flippa.

But now i have lost all motivation. Since HCU update in august or September..


My site which was generating 12-15k per month was dropped with traffic of 50%

And cherry on top my adsense account got banned recently.


I will say stay away from SEO..

It will just make you depressed.
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Your profile username also depressing man... Don't give up.. I have been doing SEO for all my sites and I wonder what's wrong with HCU update... I know there is a hit but it's not for everyone.... Well some of my sites even got improved... It's very individual bases factor.. don't give up man just duplicate what you are doing now and scale it... I own bought 10x more domains and now I own more than I had....
 
petersonpol said:
whatever man... the point is you can't even show example of one small sucessful website... just babbling around
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They are easy to find. But we are not going to share someone's hard work here on the forum for 10's of thousands of people to take apart.

I have a giant list of them that I've made for my AI training. All categorized with multiple data points. I won't share a single one with you though.
 
H0ney said:
I will drop probably an unpopular opinion but it seems there is same chance to win in a casino than build a stable money-making website nowadays.

Yeah, i know, wise and respectable Jr. Vips Execs or link sellers will come here now and will tell that , of course, i am wrong. Ok.
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I don't think so
 
splishsplash said:
You can't just create a random site with some content and rank now.

Google is looking more for "real entities".

That doesn't mean you have a 'brandable domain'. It means you are a genuinely real entity with something unique. They are looking for EEAT.

I see many small sites still doing well, but they're not just faceless blogs. I won't share any here because small ones are too affected by shares, but there's one site for example that's a cat blog..

They are DR 11, with 165 RDs. Started in 2021.

565 pages on ahrefs globally. 236 if you set country to the US.

They sell real products.

They have a water filtering dish, some supplements, brushes.. Total of 16 products.

They also do a grooming kit where they package some stuff together.

They seem to have some other products outside their main shop. Mugs, clothes, laptop sleeve etc. These are obviously just every day objects they've had printed with their branding and cats.


Their brush/cat bowl etc seems to be THEIR OWN. It's got their branding on it. Whether they manufacture this, or just stick a logo on a generic one I don't know. The products look high quality..

They have an affiliate program.

A facebook, instagram and youtube. They actually make some youtube videos. Small channel with 300-600 views per video. Their instagram has 22.8k followers. Their facebook has 4.5k followers.

They are a real business and it's obviously quality. You can see this is not a blog created by a guy looking to MMO, who did some keyword research, hired a writer from a forum and tried to rank.

They have a media kit. They have patents & trademarks.

They have a careers page.

They have a shipping information page.

A refund policy.

Compare this with a typical "cat blog", that just has 100's of low quality AI generated articles or thin human written articles, a privacy policy/terms of service, and some google ads slapped all over the page.

It's not that hard to make some data points and train an AI to detect the higher quality businesses.

Google are in fact not trying to push out small businesses. They're trying to push out thin/useless sites made for search engines, not users.

This business is clearly made for people, not search engines..

Yes, we all want to make money, but you do have to start thinking about making a BUSINESS for people, not a site for search engines.

They will also not be super reliant on google. They'll get a lot of sales through instagram, maybe they run some ads, and they'll have a good email list + word of mouth.

I would say that "make money with SEO" is dead in 2024..

But "supplementing a good business with organic search" is alive and well.

You can still create just a purely informational blog with not much else and rank. And whether your content is AI or human makes ZERO difference. Google don't care, and they're not running detectors. I know, because I'm doing fairly deep research for my own model training, and as part of that research I look for sites under DR 30 that are ranking well, AI sites that are ranking well, and human sites that are ranking well.

What I can tell you about the under DR 30 sites, is almost all of the ones ranking well that I'm seeing have EEAT signals that are apparent to me as a human.

They just LOOK like real businesses.

If you want to rank a purely informational type site you need deep, informative, topically-tight content.

Ie, not a site with 10's of thousands of thin AI generated pages targeting questions, jumping from one topic to another.

But rather, an AI generated site that has longer, deeper, highly factual, dense articles that cover every aspect of every micro-niche within a niche. This still ranks and it ranks VERY well.
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I really feel like this nails down my experience. Rubbish affiliate sites with no clear ownership are struggling, but real brands can excel. If you have a face to the name, an LLC, legal points, and some unique proposition, it is very possible to have a positive ROI. Google is smarter now compared to even three years ago. If readable, AI content can be recognised, and you know other signals of true brands have been developed as markers.
 
SEO is getting easier again, honestly (been in the game a long time, seen a lot of cycles of Google changing things up). Too many people taking shortcuts pumping out garbage AI content that was dominating the SERPs with no rhyme or reason - all fading away now.

Google is slapping this thin content left and right, and it's awesome. Now people are having to build actually useful sites that visitors engage with and get value from, instead of seeing who can take the most shortcuts the fastest.

The best part is, LLMs are making it easier than ever to figure out exactly *what* content to provide, how to structure it, and how to link it all together. Build out a site with actual high-quality content that's helpful to people (AI will get you 80% of the way there), use proper ontology and entities, and sprinkle in some EEAT factors - then include elements to engage users (interactive maps, accordions, carousels, flash cards, whatever) to get some clicks and signal engagement, and you'll be in good shape.
 
X said:
SEO is getting easier again, honestly (been in the game a long time, seen a lot of cycles of Google changing things up). Too many people taking shortcuts pumping out garbage AI content that was dominating the SERPs with no rhyme or reason - all fading away now.

Google is slapping this thin content left and right, and it's awesome. Now people are having to build actually useful sites that visitors engage with and get value from, instead of seeing who can take the most shortcuts the fastest.

The best part is, LLMs are making it easier than ever to figure out exactly *what* content to provide, how to structure it, and how to link it all together. Build out a site with actual high-quality content that's helpful to people (AI will get you 80% of the way there), use proper ontology and entities, and sprinkle in some EEAT factors - then include elements to engage users (interactive maps, accordions, carousels, flash cards, whatever) to get some clicks and signal engagement, and you'll be in good shape.
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All my garbage-thin content still ranks on Google What is your point?

one of my main keywords is in the top 5 and still it's in top 5. While the top 3 replaced with no-sense YouTube videos my super thin AI-generated content is still in top 5.

I am not sure why people even panicking lol

i like what Google did to me as all my junk Google properties which i used as foundational links now popping up on serps...i wish i had some of their credentials lol (50% of parasites now asking 2fact which i don't have lol )


seems like cry babies and big gurus having a party together here :D
 
X said:
The best part is, LLMs are making it easier than ever to figure out exactly *what* content to provide, how to structure it, and how to link it all together. Build out a site with actual high-quality content that's helpful to people (AI will get you 80% of the way there), use proper ontology and entities, and sprinkle in some EEAT factors - then include elements to engage users (interactive maps, accordions, carousels, flash cards, whatever) to get some clicks and signal engagement, and you'll be in good shape.
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any suggestion on how to start with using LLMs?
 
I'm agree with you absolutely but we have some different idea about something at all and they are not big things.
 
Nastrz said:
All my garbage-thin content still ranks on Google What is your point?

one of my main keywords is in the top 5 and still it's in top 5. While the top 3 replaced with no-sense YouTube videos my super thin AI-generated content is still in top 5.

I am not sure why people even panicking lol

i like what Google did to me as all my junk Google properties which i used as foundational links now popping up on serps...i wish i had some of their credentials lol (50% of parasites now asking 2fact which i don't have lol )


seems like cry babies and big gurus having a party together here :D
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you just randomly won in a roulette :D
 
SEO is dead, guys. I rank sites at will and can only be done that way from now on.
THat's why your sites never rank
 
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