@Killswitch1 vs @andrryll

[Killswitch1]

I'm disappointed I need to post this.

Proof that the transaction began on BHW: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/looking-for-a-google-ads-mcc-account.1552589/#post-17193430
Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution: see attached images
Proof of Contact: see attached images, I only have his Telegram to contact
Summary of Dispute: Seller promised a verified Google Ads Account with 3 million spent for $1400. He promised to deliver within 30 minutes of payment. I paid in BTC. The seller keeps making vague excuses, saying he is working on it. He refuses to refund my money.
Evidence of the Issue: see attached images
What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: I want a refund

Bitcoin payment proof: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/2432700bf0765bd0e69f34ee23f393f38be760a8e4645eff8bb0e8fbb748b5be

Please note I'm a long-time user of BHW, i normally just lurk and do business. I lost my email for my old account so haven't been able to login hence the new account.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Dispute Request Approved​

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@andrryll - you have 24 hours to respond to this disputes thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the dispute starter and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

If your responses to this dispute do not remain prompt, your account will be banned.

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[Killswitch1]

He’s still making excuses, he knows about this thread as well, but doesn’t seem to care.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

He’s still making excuses, he knows about this thread as well, but doesn’t seem to care.

Do you have screenshot proof of that?

 

[Killswitch1]

Every day he says he will give it today but it never happens

Here’s a screenshot

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Every day he says he will give it today but it never happens

Here’s a screenshot

Dispute Summary​

The accused has been permanently banned from Black Hat World for failing to resolve this dispute.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.

Thread Open For Commentary​

 

[Killswitch1]

Thank you for your support

 

[randomname2]

I think scammers abusing the premium member badge. Recently if you see lot of new accounts become premium member by just paying $99 and scamming thousands of dollars.

Mods need to make some restrictions on premium accounts thats they should not allowed to post on HAF or WTB sections or not allowed to sold services.

 

[roydan]

they should not allowed to post on HAF or WTB sections or not allowed to sold services.

These are the only benefits of the premium membership, unless you really like pink.

There are so many premium members, and I don't think restricting all of them is fair. The percentage of scammers is very small.

 

[randomname2]

These are the only benefits of the premium membership, unless you really like pink.

There are so many premium members, and I don't think restricting all of them is fair. The percentage of scammers is very small.

If cant restrict the activity then must be increase criteria to become premium member. Because scammers with new accounts less than 10 messages or few days in bhw start selling services without being verified

 

[roydan]

If cant restrict the activity then must be increase criteria to become premium member. Because scammers with new accounts less than 10 messages or few days in bhw start selling services without being verified

Buyers also must do their due diligence and take more responsibility about who they're buying from and in which payment method.
Paying with crypto over Telegram to a person you never worked with? Come on...

Some buyers don't pay after they get a service. How about restricting non-VIP members from buying, too?

 

[randomname2]

Buyers also must do their due diligence and take more responsibility about who they're buying from and in which payment method.
Paying with crypto over Telegram to a person you never worked with? Come on...

Some buyers don't pay after they get a service. How about restricting non-VIP members from buying, too?

You right but some buyers are not regular bhw member if you see they are newbies and they trust the BHW that they will get quality service and not get scammed. I know we cant stop 100% scam but we can learn from past mistakes and improve it.

Some BH services like running cloaking ads and for these type of services buyer prefer crypto payment. In some countries paypal and other methods not available but crypto is everywhere and less fees.

Its easy for old members to say - comeon how you pay someone on telegram in crypto. But for new member they dont aware about it.

If you go to buy something on a new place and some authority person told you that they can provide you what you are looking for then you will most probably fall for it.

 

[roydan]

Its easy for old members to say - comeon how you pay someone on telegram in crypto. But for new member they dont aware about it.

This has nothing to do with the seniority of your membership, it's common sense.

If you go to buy something on a new place and some authority person told you that they can provide you what you are looking for then you will most probably fall for it.

Define authority. An online stranger that his interest is to get my money is never an authority in that context because he has a personal interest.

Offer to pay 50-50, use an escrow, try a different method, use an escrow, find past customers, did I mention an escrow?

There are so many options other than prepaying crypto over telegram.

 

[randomname2]

This has nothing to do with the seniority of your membership, it's common sense.

Define authority. An online stranger that his interest is to get my money is never an authority in that context because he has a personal interest.

Offer to pay 50-50, use an escrow, try a different method, use an escrow, find past customers, did I mention an escrow?

There are so many options other than prepaying crypto over telegram.

Here authority means having a premium badge thats what im saying please add some some criteria to become premium member and not by just paying $97 in a newbie account and become premium member

 

[roydan]

Here authority means having a premium badge thats what im saying please add some some criteria to become premium member and not by just paying $97 in a newbie account and become premium member

I understand where you're getting from, but you can't teach common sense.

I'm sorry to say it in such a way in a dispute resolution thread, but you can't restrict thousands of members who bought the permission to sell just because 10 of them are scammers.
Not sure what the ratio is but I'm sure it's a lot less than 1%.

 

[randomname2]

I understand where you're getting from, but you can't teach common sense.

I'm sorry to say it in such a way in a dispute resolution thread, but you can't restrict thousands of members who bought the permission to sell just because 10 of them are scammers.
Not sure what the ratio is but I'm sure it's a lot less than 1%.

Ok im wrong to saying restrict the activity but atleast add some criteria to become premium member and not by just paying some amount. Otherwise we keep seeing these type of disputes.

 

[dvc]

Ok im wrong to saying restrict the activity but atleast add some criteria to become premium member and not by just paying some amount. Otherwise we keep seeing these type of disputes.

It really boils down to the buyer diligence tbh. I would never pay a service on BHW that costs more than 200 usd in crypto. Never.

I would also never purchase from a member that has no real reviews (it's easy to separate these from the fake ones).

I would also never buy from someone who was already listed in the SL.

 

[Killswitch1]

The guy doesn’t even respond now. It was definitely a dumb mistake on my part to pay the way I did but I learnt a lesson.

 

[roydan]

The guy doesn’t even respond now. It was definitely a dumb mistake on my part to pay the way I did but I learnt a lesson.

That's really all you can do at this point. I hope you don't let that discourage you from doing IM.