Shitlist Against Conjecting (formally xShot)

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This shitlist is brought against @Conjecting in respect of his BST:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/m...-and-over-again-the-perfect-solution.1440732/ where he misrepresented his ebook, made inaccurate claims and as such his product is not as advertised.

1. Proof the other party has been informed of this shit list:

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2. Proof of Contact:
Conjecting has never been difficult to get hold of and you can see our entire conversation here:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/conversations/discounted-copy.21984335/

3. Proof of Transaction:
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4. Summary of Dispute:
a. In order for the method in this BST to work it is necessary to be able to gather lots of prospect data of newly formed companies by their date of incorporation and ideally their type of business.

b. Conjecting states his prospecting method “yields tens of thousands of new businesses per day” and accessing that sort of volume of data is essential for the claims in his BST to be achieved by all.

c. Sadly the prospecting method explained only really works in the USA and in only 1 state, Virginia can you get both data points. When I searched by business incorporation date only Rhode Island, Montana and the US Virgin Islands actually provided it and all total just a few hundred per day.

d. I gave Conjecting the opportunity to update his ebook to show how you can find the data points required for “tens of thousands of new businesses per day”. Conjecting refused.

e. I opened this shitlist because the product is not as advertised and it is not possible to achieve the claims Conjecting made in his BST due to substantial flaws and limits in his prospecting method.

5. Evidence of the Issue:
Below is the evidence of how Conjecting misrepresented his ebook, made inaccurate claims and as such his product is not as advertised.

You can see the claims made in the BST Here:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/m...-and-over-again-the-perfect-solution.1440732/

You can see our entire conversation here:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/conversations/discounted-copy.21984335/

Below is a spread sheet of where I followed Conjecting’s method to find new businesses registered by date and industry type.
As you can see in our conversation Conjecting states his method “yields tens of thousands of new businesses per day”. Unfortunately it does not and only works in the USA.
https://mega.nz/file/07w1TSRA#2Aqpx1LKTKwgjJABrvyVYIuOYUCS7gty3QtUcRtX-3g

Highlighted in green is where I found both data points.
Virginia - 348 new businesses registered on 14 September

Highlighted in yellow are where I could search newly formed businesses by date only.
(I originally thought there were 5 states, but it transpired there are only 3)
Montana –
0 new businesses registered on 14 September
Rhode Island – 80 new businesses registered on 14 September
Virgin Islands – 3 new businesses registered on 14 September
Total = 431 (not “tens of thousands of new businesses per day” as claimed.)

I chose 14 September to get the results above as this is before 27 September, the date the BST launched, as Conjecting should have been aware of the prospecting issues before launching.

Conjecting also recommends only contacting companies who have a website but no registered social media accounts. This limits the prospect pool even further.

The reason is that his method is to cybersquat a new companies social media names and so create hundreds, if not thousands, of social media accounts, to sell to them. Unfortunately he also does not explain how to do that, which for a beginner, is actually quite a hard thing to do.

As a result of using the prospecting method described by Conjecting it is impossible for this claim in his BST to be true “I think $10k per month is attainable for even a beginner.” There is simply not enough new businesses that you can actually get the data needed using the prospecting method described by Conjecting.

This situation is made worse with every copy of his ebook sold, as Conjecting is saturating his own limited market, claiming in his conversation with me he sold hundreds. This is in direct contrast to his claim: “The service itself can also never saturate, because almost EVERY business is a potential customer (assuming they haven’t fixed the problem themself/don’t know it exists). I also incorporate a multitude of tools you can utilize to streamline this entire process and effectively create a cash cow.” His prospecting method/tool is far too limiting for that to be the case.

There can be many reasons why you fail to hit income goals when following a method like this. But one of them should never be the prospecting method you purchased cannot deliver anywhere near the amount of leads both claimed and required.

When I explained the prospecting issues to Conjecting he said there are none, his existing prospecting method “yields tens of thousands of new businesses per day”, so he will not update his ebook. Instead the issue is me and that as his competitor I am simply trying to sabotage his sales.

I am not a competitor trying to “sabotage sales”. I am a paying customer who was missold an ebook.

6. What you hope to gain from this shit list:
As it stands, due to limitations of getting prospecting data, the method is just a side hustle to make a few $hundred per month and not a scalable business that “yields tens of thousands of new businesses per day” where “$10k per month is attainable for even a beginner” , as claimed.

a. I would hope that Conjecting updates his ebook for all buyers and explains a prospecting method that “yields tens of thousands of new businesses per day” as he stated. Then everyone will have the opportunity to achieve what was claimed in his BST: a never saturating market, where even a beginner can make $10,000 per month.

Should he fail to do that:

b. Offer a refund option to myself and all who purchased as he misrepresented the potential of his product in his BST, due to the substantial flaws and limits of his current prospecting method and so it is not as advertised.

c. His BST is amended to tell the truth about the scale of prospecting that is actually achievable with his method or he is prevented from selling any more copies.
 
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Shit List Request Approved
Information For The Accused
@Conjecting, you have 24 hours to respond to this shit list thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the Shit Lister and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

If your responses to this dispute do not remain prompt, your account will be banned.


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Please remain professional as name calling, insults, griping, tu quoque, and ad hominem will not be tolerated. Should the Shit Lister resort to this, the dispute will be forfeit; and if the accused resorts to this, the dispute will automatically be in the Shit Lister's favour.

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Please bear in mind Shit List rule #4 before responding.


"If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread. Anyone caught doing so will receive an infraction and be reply banned from posting in the thread."
 
As you can see from the screenshot below, the accuser has refused to listen to pages upon pages of advice that was provided to him. I literally spent an entire morning answering all of his questions, and nothing I said was satisfactory according to him. To add insult to injury, he still refuses to contact me on Telegram so I can provide him with higher quality support in the form of voice memos.

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He has not attempted anything in the guide at all. He has refuted every piece of advice I have given him. He is a competitor attempting to sabotage me, as evidenced by the fact that he also sells a method on this forum and almost immediately contacted BTB upon receiving the guide, claiming it was "fundamentally flawed". That is fundamentally wrong.

It's very odd that my top 3 most successful buyers, @proton.ch, @Realign02, and @jmoney1077, who are making thousands per month with this guide, have not experienced this problem.

There are dozens upon dozens of positive reviews on this guide. In addition to the earnings proof I provided, buyers have even uploaded their own, which is a testament to how valuable this product really is. I am able to claim this works from anywhere in the world, because you can execute the process and only target businesses that don't have social media. Additionally, I never once claimed that every state has identical search parameters to Virginia. I provide search strings to find similar databases, which can be leveraged to acquire clients. This particular buyer is the first person to experience this "problem" (if you want to even call it that). He is portraying himself as a hero, saying every "victim" should be offered a refund, but the only victim is him. I give refunds to people who request them on a case-by-case basis, not people who threaten me and rudely criticize my content for no logical reason.

@GringoMonkey 's exact words when giving me the shit-list notice were:

"Your claims of the scale of possible success are inaccurate and as such the product is not as advertised".

This is coming from the mouth of somebody who has not put an ounce into even trying to implement the method. Somebody who refuses additional support, regardless of how many times it is offered to him via Telegram. Somebody who had the drive and willingness to actually scale would not say this. How can you possibly determine that this cannot be scaled, without trying it? It is absolutely mind-boggling to me.

There's an ulterior motive here. He wants me either banned, or my BST shut down so he can thwart some competition, and nothing he says will change my conviction in that. It makes perfect sense, as I have one of the most (if not the most) successful "method" BST's on the forum. If sabotage wasn't his primary objective and he felt genuinely victimized, he would have simply asked for a refund (or accepted it when I offered) and I would have obliged. But making this absurd request, asking I rewrite the entire method and give everybody the option of a refund is indicative of an ulterior motive. And the fact that he hasn't dismissed any claims I've made of this being sabotage pretty much tell the whole story.

I already offered the accuser a refund out of kindness of my heart. But that offer was withdrawn when he made it clear that it was not enough. So I am not even offering that. I've done everything I can to try and help @GringoMonkey and frankly, this shit list is a spit in the face.

To summarize...

I will not, under any circumstances succumb to his threats or modify a perfectly fine guide that has helped countless people.

If justice is served, this shit list will be instantly dismissed and removed from the public eye. If these false claims do lead to my ban, then fine, because for every person that feels like this guide isn't up to par, there are 20 that feel they received an infinitely-valuable product. I can sleep at night knowing I have done absolutely nothing wrong, but on the contrary, contributed endless amounts of free value to this forum, bringing in new eyes on a daily basis.

If I really get banned over something like this, then so long BHW. You guys lost a good one.​
 
@Conjecting your rebutal is mostly ad hominem, which is against the terms of responding to a shitlist.

You did not offer a full refund, that is simply untrue.

You still dont answer the question and explain how your prospecting method “yields tens of thousands of new businesses per day” . I followed your method and as can be seen above only yielded 431.
 
@BassTrackerBoats I have nothing else to respond to @GringoMonkey with. I asked him in private previously why he never asked me for a refund, offered him a partial refund and would have happily given him a full refund had he asked. He made it clear that wasn't enough - that's why this shit list was opened in the first place.

It's in the hands of the moderators now. I'll happily accept my permanent ban if they side with the accuser and never return to BHW again. I take ethics and values very seriously and would never take that position if I knew I was wrong.
 
@BassTrackerBoats I have nothing else to respond to @GringoMonkey with. I asked him in private previously why he never asked me for a refund, offered him a partial refund and would have happily given him a full refund had he asked. He made it clear that wasn't enough - that's why this shit list was opened in the first place.

It's in the hands of the moderators now. I'll happily accept my permanent ban if they side with the accuser as I know I've done nothing wrong.
Refund the accuser in full.
 
Refund him please.
I asked him for his PayPal email to initiate the refund. He has not sent it.

This is a hundred dollar guide though, that several hundred people have paid for, just sitting in the public. Is there any respect for those guys at all?

I'll give him an hour to send it through. If this thread stays live for longer than that, just ban me. At that point he got what he wanted anyways and I'm losing the willingness to want to sell on this forum each minute this thread stays live.
 
You did solicite him via PM to buy this looking at the conversations you had... not sure why you would do that
Yeah your right I did, he was given the opportunity to obtain a discounted review copy as he was a prior buyer. Wish I didn't as it's been nothing but a headache dealing with this dude lmao.

I've identified his transaction and am ready to process the refund. I just would like to know if doing so will result in the removal of this shit list to protect paid content that others have paid for. I think that's a reasonable request, no?
 
Yeah your right I did, he was given the opportunity to obtain a discounted review copy as he was a prior buyer. Wish I didn't as it's been nothing but a headache dealing with this dude lmao.

I've identified his transaction and am ready to process the refund. I just would like to know if doing so will result in the removal of this shit list to protect paid content that others have paid for. I think that's a reasonable request, no?
You should refund no matter what and you have 2 hours to do it.
 
Ridiculous abuse of power old man. As you always do. And no, I'm not Conjecting.

Probably because you are an absolutely powerless and weak man in real life.

A sad affair to witness.
 
Ridiculous abuse of power old man. As you always do. And no, I'm not Conjecting.

Probably because you are an absolutely powerless and weak man in real life.

A sad affair to witness.
But you are too big of a pussy to actually show who you are... standard coward action. I hope your parents do not know how you turned out.

Piss off.
 
Thanks OP for your time.I really found that guy a liar and arrogant.Bought his "method" (also nothing new for me,just a little twist,but thats not the problem )and also realized that after more than 15 hours spent and wasted its not working so easily as described. Tested more than 20 states and didnt find thousands of new LLC as he said.
For Europe (at least)won't work due to EU laws(the companies are not made public),so he lied about that also(plus that a guy posted this fact in the selling thread and got banned,dunno why...).Finding the right company was indeed a problem,as there are many with the similar names in many states.(made that with more than 200 LLCs )For me was a waste of 100 bucks and time still wasnt capable to make my complainand point of view about this ,like you did.
Also I dont understand why so many old members posted BS like "yes its a great method,you can charge 500 for it,bla bla ..."(even withouth trying it or buying it).Also most of the newly created accounts who "bought" his method were probably his own alt accounts.

In the end the seller made $ XX.xxx in 2 months with a 800 bucks investment. (Probably his first income online).Anyway,i hope that the new version of BHW will make something about it(not just price increasing for a sell in Marketplace,I also know that its hard to test a method or service offered for sell,but at least another checking, not just the plagiarism one).Or at least warn the BS members who are posting reviews for a method without a proof of implenting/buying it.

. Tired of so much ass kissers who are helping each other to sell each others stuff(those who are writing false reviews)..never mind ,till better times im going to buy only services and not WF and Buysellmethods pdfs anymore.
 
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Pandora's box is now open. Anyone could open a shit list claiming that the purchased ebook content is useless. OP's ebooks are no better than what Conjecting offers. Ebooks or methods should be banned on BHW a long time ago. It's a great forum polluted with all those BS methods of selling ebooks. Why would anyone sell their method when they can just take their own advice, hire a team and scale it 100x
 
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