What do you think about US politicians?

[apekillape]

yeah... individuals who tend to share a herd mentality. society can't accommodate too many free-thinking "individuals."
tsp

What, like you? Then what makes you so special?

N

 

[themagician]

And Dubya went on TV and said, "God told me to invade Iraq!"

Let's just be thankful that as long as world leaders talk to invisible superbeings, the world will be a safe and secure place to live...


tsp

The asylums and prisons are full of murderers who claim, "God told me to do it!.

themagician

 

[The Scarlet Pimp]

The asylums and prisons are full of murderers who claim, "God told me to do it!"

themagician

So are the churches, synagogues, temples, and mosques.
Man is never at his worst, except when he's at his best.

tsp

 

[odd-job]

There are very few politicians that are honest and most of them are inline with starting NWO -- the U.N. is by far the scariest thing happening today.

Most of American politicians are criminals -- starting with the Bush family in which GW's grandfather "Prescott Bush" was on the board of directors of the Harriman bank, which funded Nazi (through Fritz Thyssen) war efforts and supplys. This stopped when the bank was shut down by the FBI (Hoover) and it was the reason that Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States.

Bush was never brought up on charges -- just the beginning of the Bush crime family.

It's not about black vs white or Republican vs Democrats.. it's about you and I vs them. These are exciting but very dangerous times we live in today and most Americans don't see it coming -- I'd recommend everyone here watch "The end of America" - Naomi Wolf. It's a very light weight glimps of what is happening today and even though shes a bit nave about the Clinton's shes on the money with most of what she says. Check her video out on polidics.com or at youtube.com

That is all for now my fellow Americans ......... pull your heads out while you can.

 

[apekillape]

If you care enough to complain, what specifically are you doing to fix it?

Complete sentences please. Show your work.

N

 

[odd-job]

If you care enough to complain, what specifically are you doing to fix it?

Complete sentences please. Show your work.

N

I'm not sure it can be fixed apekill - personally I think were past that. If you want to see the future of America start looking at the EU and whats happening there right now. Basically the euro-nations have given in to treaties that overpower their constitution rendering them useless. Thats what you'll see here next treaties with the UN. So far the US has actually sold many of the US National Parks to the UN - they also own the land for 931 new prisons and I don't know why I don't call them what Bill Clinton did "camps". Thats odd isn't it? Back when bill was in office there were only about 50 or so:
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

Now there's over 900 and when you look at them the first thing you notice is that they all have a railway either right next to or that actually runs through the middle of the camp. There's been some video's that are linked to the camps of train cars that are double deckers that have benches and chains already installed and we all know that livestock doesn't use benches and handcuffs - so what does?

I think if people actually knew what was going to happen they would actually panic or die of fear -- literally. There is a day coming soon where all this will come to a head (starting with the economy) and people will have a very scary choice to make however, I'm not sure there is anything you can do to stop it now.

Currently I have about 5 sites about subjects that are trying to educate Americans to be critical thinkers again and to wake the fuck up. I also take my own personal time to talk to people that are willing to pull their heads out of their daily delusions, be open minded and look at the facts then... make a call on it. I try to educate people to look outside this country for it's news and that is where you'll see whats really happening in this country -- that we don't show.

There are other things ....

The list goes on and on -- Where do you want to start? I tell anyone that is really interested and that really wants to know or learn to google this shit and see for themselves. Type in Prescott Bush. Don't take my word for it - read it yourself if you have that ability still. I'm a firm believer in not being ignorant so start looking into things and tell me what you want to discuss intelligently based on something you have read or learned or if you know something now, I'd like to hear something about that.

"There is a principal which is a bar against all information. Which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance---

That principle is contempt prior to investigation"

-- Spencer

 

[apekillape]

That's a much better response than I gave the common hoi-polloi around here credit for. Kudos.

Me, I'm just barely young and/or naive enough to not think it's going to affect me in any serious kind of way. Our bread and butter as blackhats is (from my perspective) in seeing the rules as they are and exploiting everything in between without breaking them. You prevail if you're better at adapting to new trends than the next guy. I don't think this sort of ostensible upheaval is at all new or as scary as people make it out to be, guys like us are always ready to reap the benefit and keep moving.

It's like the old adage: If you're walking with a friend in the woods and a bear starts chasing you, you don't have to be faster than the bear. You just have to be faster than your friend.

N

 

[odd-job]

Thats interesting --

I don't believe you realize how "bad" ... bad really is. So tell me what happens when the economy crashes and people are not buying online anymore. It's people like you that are needed in this country. You need understand whats really happening and how it's going to affect you and all of us.

Open your mind for a few and tell me "What if" some of these things you hear were really true?

 

[odd-job]

If you look at the previous voting records for either candidate
you'll see that what they say and what they do are two totally
different things.

I like how Einstein defined "Insanity". "Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result."

Thats basically what Americans have been doing for over 50 years now. Listening to the same things said and never having seen one of them done.
You'd think at some point you'd get it...

I do agree that Ron Paul has pretty much been the only
candidate that has every actually made any sense whatsoever.
But of course America would rather just have 4 years of the
same shit. Just raise them taxes to fund our wars that we
already can't afford while the dudes at the top bank huge.

Ahh there's a few others as well as Ron Paul. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel all on the same page. You see whos pushing the bill to get Bush impeached? Dennis Kucinich -- I like what Paul says and I'd back him too. It's simply amazing what the Media got away with during the debates -- I'm still in shock.

 

[apekillape]

The world's not quite as small as you're making it out to be.

What's keeping me in this country if the economy goes to shit? Is what I'm working on right this second the only viable industry in the world?

I work online right now because it's the most lucrative option available. That's the essence of the idea, it'd be completely against what I said previously if the online market went to pot and I couldn't think far ahead enough to get out from under it.

If the (US, right?) economy crashes, then I had damn well better have invested elsewhere, yes? If people stop buying online (that's not going to happen in either of our lifetimes, by the way) and I'm still in it, then I stayed in one place for too long. Again, that's the opposite of the way one would have to behave in order to succeed just here, let alone going forward.

N

 

[apekillape]

I like how Einstein defined "Insanity". "Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result."

Thats basically what Americans have been doing for over 50 years now. Listening to the same things said and never having seen one of them done.
You'd think at some point you'd get it...

Now you're just being silly. There's been more significant change in the last 50-odd years in the US than a goodly number of other countries that've had a lot more time to work on their faults. Hell, just the women's rights movement is lightyears ahead of several countries one could name.

Ahh there's a few others as well as Ron Paul. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel all on the same page. You see whos pushing the bill to get Bush impeached? Dennis Kucinich -- I like what Paul says and I'd back him too. It's simply amazing what the Media got away with during the debates -- I'm still in shock.

If you care enough to complain, you should be getting them elected instead of complaining about their complete inability to play by the established rules. People don't get elected by accident, it's a complicated series of essentially Black Hat techniques. That's the other reason I don't get involved, if I had a problem with the status quo I'd gladly become a part of it. Anyone who does less is a coward and a hypocrite, yes?

N

 

[Tofast4u]

zeitgeist is a really good movie, and gives a small view of the "real world"
corruption and cash rules everything around you.

 

[apekillape]

zeitgeist is a really good movie, and gives a small view of the "real world"
corruption and cash rules everything around you.

What's the difference between what the creator of Zeitgeist is telling you and what the "suddenly evil mass media" is telling you?

N

 

[interpro]

I'm not sure it can be fixed apekill - personally I think were past that. If you want to see the future of America start looking at the EU and whats happening there right now. Basically the euro-nations have given in to treaties that overpower their constitution rendering them useless. Thats what you'll see here next treaties with the UN. So far the US has actually sold many of the US National Parks to the UN - they also own the land for 931 new prisons and I don't know why I don't call them what Bill Clinton did "camps". Thats odd isn't it? Back when bill was in office there were only about 50 or so:
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

I think if people actually knew what was going to happen they would actually panic or die of fear -- literally. There is a day coming soon where all this will come to a head (starting with the economy) and people will have a very scary choice to make however, I'm not sure there is anything you can do to stop it now.

-- Spencer

That's really some scary stuff. I watch the news frequently and I've noticed a definite trend over the last few years where more and more pepole are being imprisoned. And there's always talk about building more prisons to house the expanding prison population.

I read somewhere that the US has a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other country. I guess that if grandma doesn't return her library book in time, she'll end up in chains doing road work.

 

[odd-job]

Now you're just being silly. There's been more significant change in the last 50-odd years in the US than a goodly number of other countries that've had a lot more time to work on their faults. Hell, just the women's rights movement is lightyears ahead of several countries one could name.



If you care enough to complain, you should be getting them elected instead of complaining about their complete inability to play by the established rules. People don't get elected by accident, it's a complicated series of essentially Black Hat techniques. That's the other reason I don't get involved, if I had a problem with the status quo I'd gladly become a part of it. Anyone who does less is a coward and a hypocrite, yes?

N

Actually this is exactly what I'm talking about -- take the women's equal rights movement. It was started by who? The Rockefeller's yes they openly BRAG as to starting and support it in a large way financially ... and their reason was even mentioned recently by Nicholas Rockefeller recently, because -- "before equal rights they couldn't tax women or get income from them." Those are his own words. I dunno maybe you call that progress, I don't. Women still get paid less for the same work men do in this country. I think it was john Lennon that said "women are the niggers of the world" a rather harsh statement but there is truth to it. I dunno maybe he was just pissed at Yoko when he said it...

On the other side of the coin we have made little progress in the way we think ( although I see a shift in consciousness happening right now). Most people are content to have what little they do, even though more freedoms are taken away all the time.

And one can't deny that as Mussolini put it -- "that perfect blend of corporations and politics that makes fascism." Every day you see more and more "blending". AG Bayer selling HIV contaminate vaccines This isn't something new it's been happening for a long time. Americans just can't trust politicians any more.
It's the little things that pop up that assure you that we as a country are "light years" behind where you should be as far as humanity goes because of political corruption and greed go.
I saw on Yahoo the other day a light bulb that had been burning for 107 years now. Same bulb -- so you ask yourself why can't they fucking make a bulb that last longer then one month.. The answer is easy .. there's no money in it. If you read this and understand this then you know exactly why we are way behind in MANY areas including health because of this very principle.
Another good example of this is Tesla and J.P. Morgan (Banking god). Tesla comes up with free energy -- J.P. says "we can't put a meter on it" and pulls Tesla's funding. There was no money in it.....

It's banking (money) that controls politics and not the other way around as it is meant to seem and that by definition is Fascism. We've changed a lot as a country and not for the better. So no I don't agree with there being any change brought forth by any president in the last 35 years that have ended up solving any issues they promised to solve. They tell you what you want to hear and people fall for it every election. This year... it's more of the same. There's no one on either side that is worth voting for. Now if the laws were that a person could vote without the electoral process and could vote for anyone they wanted to i.e. write them in on the ballot. Now that really would be something to see. In the mean time the Constitution is hanging on by a thread and there is no end to a fake fucking war on terror. Yes thank you US government for all your amazing progress.


So really if thats how you are planing your coming financial future, based on information or lack of it, GL brutha.

I guess you can just pass it off saying it's one mans word against another's but that really isn't true. It's more then just one persons word and the people that are saying these things are part of the system itself. So listen or don't, personally I hope some of you will take the time to really look into those things. It's very easy to figure out if you do a little reading from people involved or don't and get caught off guard. Reason isn't sitting on the fence - it's not, Oh well this guy says one thing and the other says something else and I'm just too fucking lame to figure it out so I'll just play devils advocate. That to me is puss.

However, I do respect your opinion and stance on such matters - I can see why you feel that way.


I've seen a couple of comments here that lead me to believe that possibly some of you are aware of the law of attraction - what interests me about that is how you are using it in this conversation Am I getting warm here?

 

[odd-job]

That's really some scary stuff. I watch the news frequently and I've noticed a definite trend over the last few years where more and more pepole are being imprisoned. And there's always talk about building more prisons to house the expanding prison population.

I read somewhere that the US has a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other country. I guess that if grandma doesn't return her library book in time, she'll end up in chains doing road work.

Did you know that 7.2 million Americans are in prison or on probation? And it's not just higher then any other country it's higher then all of the communists country's put together ...... in fact those other countries are not even close to our total.

 

[apekillape]

I'm not wearing pants and typing upside down, so my response is naturally brief, but:

As much as I love Tesla, isn't that his own fault for not securing his base before he went on to "change the world" or whatever? He's a genius inventor and general thinker really, but he didn't have sense enough to make sure he was self-sustainable. That's his own failing.

It's a key issue that tends to come up (at least when I'm involved) in a lot of conversations like this. People say they want to "fix the problem" or whatever, but they rarely if ever take the necessary steps to get it done fully and realistically. You (not you, odd-job) can say that you want to fight the power and all as much as you want, but unless you sit back and consider all the available options to really see your point through (including becoming a politician and other such unfun activities) you're a hypocrite of the highest order.

You can't just listen to Rage Against the Machine and wear Che shirts to useless rallies. Sometimes you have to do stuff you don't like.

N

 

[BuzzKill]

apekillape is my new hero. You can shape your own environment to be how you want it to be, the real estate crisis, stock market crash, recession is a direct result of fucking greed and excess. Sell your Escalade and get a bike, buy your food from local growers, shrink your footprint. I would seriously doubt that most politicians go into it thinking Im gonna fuck everyone to serve myself. I would guess they get into it and are seduced by the lure of easy money, kickbacks, etc. Sound familiar? They start to believe their own bullshit. This country is not much worse off than most others, and much better than many. The world is slowly coming to an end because humans as a species are defective. Its only a matter of time. The power balance is so far off and apathy levels are too high. Try to make life better within a ten mile radius of yourself.

In the words of Travis from Taxi Driver "Someday a real rain is gonna come" - and wash all the hot pockets off the streets

 

[odd-job]

I'm not wearing pants and typing upside down, so my response is naturally brief, but:

As much as I love Tesla, isn't that his own fault for not securing his base before he went on to "change the world" or whatever? He's a genius inventor and general thinker really, but he didn't have sense enough to make sure he was self-sustainable. That's his own failing.

It's a key issue that tends to come up (at least when I'm involved) in a lot of conversations like this. People say they want to "fix the problem" or whatever, but they rarely if ever take the necessary steps to get it done fully and realistically. You (not you, odd-job) can say that you want to fight the power and all as much as you want, but unless you sit back and consider all the available options to really see your point through (including becoming a politician and other such unfun activities) you're a hypocrite of the highest order.

You can't just listen to Rage Against the Machine and wear Che shirts to useless rallies. Sometimes you have to do stuff you don't like.

N

Yes, or do things that might even scare you... but you have to do something IF .. you want "Real Change".