Shitlist against AdsEmpire - SCAMMERS

[Bookmaker]

Hi Staff,

Member: https://www.blackhatworld.com/members/adsempire.1513682/

I joined their Network this month. Today I got a message out of the blue on telegram accusing me that my traffic is fraud with a file showing that some leads were only 30 seconds on the site and that they will deactivate my account because my leads haven’t spend money yet. I had $107 on my account and now only $40 so they stole $67 from my balance.

I'm since years on BHW and I worked with well-known networks which are on BHW too (e.g. LosPollos, iMonetizeIt and Adverten and they never said that my traffic is fraud. They always paid me so it means my traffic is good and not fraud.

I have done my job and sent the traffic and now most leads after weeks were declined and they refuse to pay me.
I see their scam is to shave registrations if they haven't spent money yet.

This is their thread: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a...tlink-dating-sweeps-finance-and-more.1347914/

Thanks for your help

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Shit List Request Approved​

Information For The Accused
@AdsEmpire, you have 24 hours to respond to this shit list thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the Shit Lister and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

If your responses to this dispute do not remain prompt, your account will be banned.

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[AdsEmpire]

Hi community,

First of all, my apologies for the silence and absence. The manager who is responsible for BHW (me) was on a vacation. Now we are fully in to solve the issue. Second of all, comparing the results of traffic with Lp and other networks is not valid in this case, because:

1. AdsEmpire has deep integrations with several big advertisers, that’s why we get the deepest data and analytics regarding the traffic and it’s quality. That’s why you can get bumps faster with us, by the way.
2. We have an in-house anti-fraud platform that helps us to understand and detect fraudulent/low-quality traffic in the early stages.
3. The fraud report regarding the cost of 67 usd (63% fraud) was sent to the affiliate. In our Terms we do not accept traffic with more than 20% of fraud. We respect our reputation.
4. We know the offers we work with. We know how they convert and what CR/ reg2paid should be for different types of traffic and geos/ platforms. We own the data.
5. If you’re thinking we’ve built our business in scamming 67usd accounts, this sounds really offensive to be frank.

Thanks to the BHW admins for highlighting it. Tomorrow morning I will contact the manager Evgeny to ask for more details and publish the fraud report if needed.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

1. AdsEmpire has deep integrations with several big advertisers, that’s why we get the deepest data and analytics regarding the traffic and it’s quality. That’s why you can get bumps faster with us, by the way.

1. 
   
   Nobody cares... keep this on topic.
   
   

   Tomorrow morning I will contact the manager Evgeny to ask for more details and publish the fraud report if needed.

   
   I'll wait until tomorrow but not any longer.

 

[AdsEmpire]

1. 
   
   Nobody cares... keep this on topic.
   
   
   
   I'll wait until tomorrow but not any longer.

Hello again.
As we promised, here is the fraud report from manager Evgeniy.
We cant attach the Exel document, so we attach the screen of it.

 

[Bookmaker]

1. We have an in-house anti-fraud platform that helps us to understand and detect fraudulent/low-quality traffic in the early stages.

That’s why my leads were approved first and after the leads didn't spend any money you classified the leads as fraud after weeks.

3. The fraud report regarding the cost of 67 usd (63% fraud) was sent to the affiliate. In our Terms we do not accept traffic with more than 20% of fraud. We respect our reputation.

I worked with three well-known affiliate Networks in the same industry which are also here on BHW and I never was accused that my traffic is fraud and then also in an exaggerated percentage as you claim. I was always paid by them. All three networks are highly reputed here. Funny isn’t it?


5. If you’re thinking we’ve built our business in scamming 67usd accounts, this sounds really offensive to be frank.

Well, if you think I need your 67 dollars then you are wrong. There is much more at stake here, namely that you classify valid leads as fraud after they don’t spend any money after a certain period of time so that it pays off economically for you.

 

[Bookmaker]

As you can see, these are the leads that were wrongly classified as fraud. All leads are real and have different IP addresses.

 

[AdsEmpire]

1. We have an in-house anti-fraud platform that helps us to understand and detect fraudulent/low-quality traffic in the early stages.

That’s why my leads were approved first and after the leads didn't spend any money you classified the leads as fraud after weeks.

3. The fraud report regarding the cost of 67 usd (63% fraud) was sent to the affiliate. In our Terms we do not accept traffic with more than 20% of fraud. We respect our reputation.

I worked with three well-known affiliate Networks in the same industry which are also here on BHW and I never was accused that my traffic is fraud and then also in an exaggerated percentage as you claim. I was always paid by them. All three networks are highly reputed here. Funny isn’t it?


5. If you’re thinking we’ve built our business in scamming 67usd accounts, this sounds really offensive to be frank.

Well, if you think I need your 67 dollars then you are wrong. There is much more at stake here, namely that you classify valid leads as fraud after they don’t spend any money after a certain period of time so that it pays off economically for you.

1. About basic principles of fraud reports:
The system needs some traffic volumes to make deep data analytics and time of сorce. That's why the process requires at least one week. Analytics is not happening in one moment or one day.

2. We can't comment on the work principles in other networks. Also, it does not influence the traffic you send to us.

3. We have attached the fraud report you received before. Everyone can see it. There is no mistake, please check the report.

 

[Bookmaker]

1. About basic principles of fraud reports:
The system needs some traffic volumes to make deep data analytics and time of сorce. That's why the process requires at least one week. Analytics is not happening in one moment or one day.

2. We can't comment on the work principles in other networks. Also, it does not influence the traffic you send to us.

3. We have attached the fraud report you received before. Everyone can see it. There is no mistake, please check the report.

1. 'That's why the process requires at least one week. Analytics is not happening in one moment or one day.'

This was YOUR reply 5 days ago:
'We have an in-house anti-fraud platform that helps us to understand and detect fraudulent/low-quality traffic in nearly stages.'

First you approved my leads and after you saw that they didn’t spend any money, you classified them after THREE WEEKS as fraud!

You are lying again!

2. 'We can’t comment on the work principles in other networks.'

Oh you can’t judge other Networks? Then why do you discredit three well-known Networks which are legit and here on BHW since years claiming all of them never checked the quality of my traffic?
So in your opinion they gifted me money for years? Your behavior is not only ridiculous but also unprofessional!



3. Your Network is a SCAM! I did my job and sent you legit traffic which generated leads. Now you refuse to pay me because people haven’t spent any money yet in a short period of time!

Even your employee admitted what the real reason is:



'THIS is the main point, no one spend money (('

AdsEmpire = SCAMMERS!

 

[Bookmaker]

I even have NET-7 privileges on other Networks which is only possible if you have generated a lot of revenue and all the traffic I brought is checked. And they accused other Networks that they don’t check my traffic to find more excuses about their shady practices that I have uncovered here!



AdsEmpire is a Scam and should be banned from BHW permanently!

 

[Zwielicht]

This shit list has gone on for long enough, and the seller has not responded to the two messages from the accuser above despite being online and bumping their sales thread. I've spoken with a couple of other staff members about this, and we've decided that since the seller doesn't want to take this seriously, we're ruling in the accuser's favour based on the information provided above.

@AdsEmpire, please return the $67 balance to @Bookmaker. If you no longer wish to work with @Bookmaker after this, you can recommend that he request his payment as soon as possible on your platform and you two can go your separate ways.

We're giving you 72 hours to resolve this.

 

[AdsEmpire]

First of all:
Yes, we haven't paid much attention to this thread because we have already sent a fraud report, and we are sure that this affiliate sends fraudulent traffic, and nothing will change our mind.

To the respect of BHW, we can, of course, pay 67 bucks, it's not a big deal for us, but we don't want endorse affiliates to send fraud and don't want anyone to endorse that.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

To the respect of BHW, we can, of course, pay 67 bucks, it's not a big deal for us, but we don't want endorse affiliates to send fraud and don't want anyone to endorse that.

@Zwielicht has shared what he expects from you in this SL so please do as he asked.

 

[AdsEmpire]

@Zwielicht has shared what he expects from you in this SL so please do as he asked.

We have already asked @Bookmaker about his payment details for sending $67

 

[Bookmaker]

First of all:
Yes, we haven't paid much attention to this thread because we have already sent a fraud report, and we are sure that this affiliate sends fraudulent traffic, and nothing will change our mind.

To the respect of BHW, we can, of course, pay 67 bucks, it's not a big deal for us, but we don't want endorse affiliates to send fraud and don't want anyone to endorse that.

The evidence doesn't lie! My traffic was and is still legit. Your "Fraud Report" can be done by everyone under 5 minutes with Photoshop.

This has nothing to do with "respect for BHW" that you will pay me my money. I have invalidated all your claims with evidence and that doesn't change the fact that your Network AdsEmpire is still a SCAM with shady business practices!

I urge all members never to join a network that is cheating their own affiliates like AdsEmpire did and it most likely still does with other members which unfortunately are not registered on BHW!

@AdsEmpire you should STOP scamming your affiliates if you don’t want to get in trouble again.

Thank you @Zwielicht and the rest of the BHW Staff for your help, appreciate it!

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

The evidence doesn't lie! My traffic was and is still legit. Your "Fraud Report" can be done by everyone under 5 minutes with Photoshop.

This has nothing to do with "respect for BHW" that you will pay me my money. I have invalidated all your claims with evidence and that doesn't change the fact that your Network AdsEmpire is still a SCAM with shady business practices!

I urge all members never to join a network that is cheating their own affiliates like AdsEmpire did and it most likely still does with other members which unfortunately are not registered on BHW!

@AdsEmpire you should STOP scamming your affiliates if you don’t want to get in trouble again.

Thank you @Zwielicht and the rest of the BHW Staff for your help, appreciate it!

Did you supply the details required so that you can get the refund?

 

[Bookmaker]

Did you supply the details required so that you can get the refund?

Yes, I answered their PM and gave them my payment details.

 

[Zwielicht]

@Bookmaker informed me via DM that @AdsEmpire finally paid them. As such, I'm marking this shit list as resolved, but I'm leaving the thread up and locked since this took the seller so long to resolve.

Shit List Resolved​