Newbie question about 4G Proxy

[Piaffy]

Hello everybody,

My question is, for 1 4G Proxy, who can rotate manually every five minutes.

Whats the amount of different IP, i know its a weird question but are they a number limit of different IP for 4G Proxy? Or are they "unlimited" or always different?

(Sorry for my english btw)

 

[Henry Cooper]

That depends on your proxy provider and on the local ISP. Some proxy providers do "fake" rotations, which means the majority of their modems are connected for 7-10 hours and they only switch around customers between those modems. If your proxy is down for at least 5-30 seconds, it is probably a real rotation, depending on their proxy software (hot config reload).

Regarding the local ISP, some have a million IPs, some have 100.000 IPS, and others just 5000. The best would be is to write down your IPs and then check the ASN records for those IP ranges.

 

[Piaffy]

That depends on your proxy provider and on the local ISP. Some proxy providers do "fake" rotations, which means the majority of their modems are connected for 7-10 hours and they only switch around customers between those modems. If your proxy is down for at least 5-30 seconds, it is probably a real rotation, depending on their proxy software (hot config reload).

Regarding the local ISP, some have a million IPs, some have 100.000 IPS, and others just 5000. The best would be is to write down your IPs and then check the ASN records for those IP ranges.

Oh ok, thank you for the explanation, very clear.

Ok ok, i currently don't have a 4G Proxy but i'm gonna buy one in the next days. As soon as i get one i'll write down the IP's.

 

[ristoriel]

There are many proxy providers that offer the services of: (1) Manual Rotation, (2) API Link Rotation and (3) Set Interval Rotation. Your question is mainly related to Set-Interval Rotation of IPs. You can search in the marketplace as there are many sellers listed there.
Regarding your second question, it's different for different proxy providers. The best you can do is: Ask the proxy providers for trial and you can test the service yourself before placing the order.

 

[Piaffy]

There are many proxy providers that offer the services of: (1) Manual Rotation, (2) API Link Rotation and (3) Set Interval Rotation. Your question is mainly related to Set-Interval Rotation of IPs. You can search in the marketplace as there are many sellers listed there.
Regarding your second question, it's different for different proxy providers. The best you can do is: Ask the proxy providers for trial and you can test the service yourself before placing the order.

My question was not really for setting interval rotation, it was more to know how much IPs can be a single 4G proxy like the "pool" of IPs that can be use. But it's a weird question.

Thank you for your answer.

 

[proxygo]

Hello everybody,
My question is, for 1 4G Proxy, who can rotate manually every five minutes.
Whats the amount of different IP, i know its a weird question but are they a number limit of different IP for 4G Proxy? Or are they "unlimited" or always different?
(Sorry for my english btw)

you will probably have to ask the proxy sellers how many ips they
rotate through and at what rate b4 you buy, thats all you can do
https://www.blackhatworld.com/forums/proxies-for-sale.112/

 

[Piaffy]

you will probably have to ask the proxy sellers how many ips they
rotate through and at what rate b4 you buy, thats all you can do
https://www.blackhatworld.com/forums/proxies-for-sale.112/

Ok thank you bud, i've found some cool providers, imma gonna ask them.

 

[proxygo]

Ok thank you bud, i've found some cool providers, imma gonna ask them.

theres a lot of reliable sellers here, pm them and hopefully 1/2
should be able to hook you up. good luck .

 

[Piaffy]

theres a lot of reliable sellers here, pm them and hopefully 1/2
should be able to hook you up. good luck .

I've started to PM some, thank you very much

 

[TraderBane]

number of ip depends on carrier and location

 

[Bers666]

If your proxy is down for at least 5-30 seconds

Good point. However some 4g proxy providers (me personally at least had an idea for own farms) do proper immediate rotation

- keep a clean pool of 4g modems (freshly rotated, not yet assigned to anybody after rotation)
- when a customer requests rotation, immediately switch him to a clean modem from the pool
- rotate his old modem and put it into the clean pool.

P,S, Even with clean proper rotation, if the farm is not on move, a set of celltowers is quite limited (e.g. less than 6) where modems can get an IP from. So sooner or later, the modems will be getting non-unique IP's.

 

[hreyhrey]

Good point. However some 4g proxy providers (me personally at least had an idea for own farms) do proper immediate rotation

- keep a clean pool of 4g modems (freshly rotated, not yet assigned to anybody after rotation)
- when a customer requests rotation, immediately switch him to a clean modem from the pool
- rotate his old modem and put it into the clean pool.

P,S, Even with clean proper rotation, if the farm is not on move, a set of celltowers is quite limited (e.g. less than 6) where modems can get an IP from. So sooner or later, the modems will be getting non-unique IP's.

I think the point of 4g proxies is Google/Facebook/etc knows this and can't righfully ban someone without risking banning tons of legit users as well.

Regarding this proxy question. I've heard you should only keep 5-10 profiles per usb dongle? This is confusing to me since aren't the dongles only supplying the proxies, thus where's the potential fingerprint leak having tons of profiles per usb dongle as long as the IPs are rotating?

 

[Bers666]

I think the point of 4g proxies is Google/Facebook/etc knows this and can't righfully ban someone without risking banning tons of legit users as well.

correct, but they consider many aspects, not just IP. So proxified requests can be detected omitting IP aspect.
Just look up for a service like "am I a bot" , "do I use proxy" etc via your posting software. Good point to start, https://github.com/NikolaiT/zardaxt then browse to LiveDemo.

potential fingerprint

Right, so when many requests come from the same ASN (subnet) with similar fingerprints, it is a red flag for banning. Proxy providers can change only OS TCP fingerprint , while your posting software can change every other fingerprint e.g. TLS fingerprint , Browser fingerprint, Cookies etc.

 

[hreyhrey]

correct, but they consider many aspects, not just IP. So proxified requests can be detected omitting IP aspect.
Just look up for a service like "am I a bot" , "do I use proxy" etc via your posting software. Good point to start, https://github.com/NikolaiT/zardaxt then browse to LiveDemo.



Right, so when many requests come from the same ASN (subnet) with similar fingerprints, it is a red flag for banning. Proxy providers can change only OS TCP fingerprint , while your posting software can change every other fingerprint e.g. TLS fingerprint , Browser fingerprint, Cookies etc.

So still a bit confused as to how Google would detect someone if they kept each profile completely separate using Multilogin or whatever. If the only fingerprint is the ASN, surely that wouldn't be enough to trigger bans would it?

 

[Henry Cooper]

Good point. However some 4g proxy providers (me personally at least had an idea for own farms) do proper immediate rotation

Our farm has around 4000 LTE modems. Most individual providers do not operate such "big" numbers, which is why they normally do not keep "clean" connections. For example, many US mobile IP providers use wifi and not really LTE, so they end up in a different IP pool. Might show as mobile in IP databases, but I think Instagram is well aware of who is using those since almost no real legit users are on those (which is the whole point of mobile IPs, to begin with). But in general, yeah, totally agree with you.

So still a bit confused as to how Google would detect someone if they kept each profile completely separate using Multilogin or whatever. If the only fingerprint is the ASN, surely that wouldn't be enough to trigger bans would it?

From experience operating shared and dedicated mobile IP farms for years, the common fingerprint is always you, not the technical side of things. Yeah, there are thousands of people sharing your fingerprint, but none of them have the same fingerprint and have an iPhone giveaway if you get what I mean.

The mobile IPs market is a tricky one, especially for beginners. Since there are so many resellers, it is hard to judge if the price point reflects a good quality product, or just resellers wanting a higher margin. And the quality differences between WIFI mobile IP ranges and LTE mobile IP ranges are huge. But WIFI IP ranges are easier to acquire (business connections) and more scaleable (without investing a lot of money). If you compare it to our LTE farms, we invested almost 150k$ just in modems (not counting cables, computers, UPS, etc.). It can get crazy really quick.

The recent batch that left the office and went to one of our apartments:



It is a quite expensive bag

 

[hreyhrey]

Our farm has around 4000 LTE modems. Most individual providers do not operate such "big" numbers, which is why they normally do not keep "clean" connections. For example, many US mobile IP providers use wifi and not really LTE, so they end up in a different IP pool. Might show as mobile in IP databases, but I think Instagram is well aware of who is using those since almost no real legit users are on those (which is the whole point of mobile IPs, to begin with). But in general, yeah, totally agree with you.


From experience operating shared and dedicated mobile IP farms for years, the common fingerprint is always you, not the technical side of things. Yeah, there are thousands of people sharing your fingerprint, but none of them have the same fingerprint and have an iPhone giveaway if you get what I mean.

The mobile IPs market is a tricky one, especially for beginners. Since there are so many resellers, it is hard to judge if the price point reflects a good quality product, or just resellers wanting a higher margin. And the quality differences between WIFI mobile IP ranges and LTE mobile IP ranges are huge. But WIFI IP ranges are easier to acquire (business connections) and more scaleable (without investing a lot of money). If you compare it to our LTE farms, we invested almost 150k$ just in modems (not counting cables, computers, UPS, etc.). It can get crazy really quick.

The recent batch that left the office and went to one of our apartments:

View attachment 209628

It is a quite expensive bag

Oh wow, that’s very impressive!!

I guess the central question I have is whether or not self run 4g proxies give off any hardware footprint to Google?

As in, if one continuously rotates IPs for separate Multilogin profiles using a single 4g dongle/proxy (rotating at reasonable times of course), would google be able to detect that those profiles are all coming from the same dongle.

 

[smoguvse]

The number of IP addresses depends on the country, mobile operator, and on the tower to which SIM card connects.


Different towers in different cities and belonging to different mobile operators have different numbers of issued IP addresses (pool).


You can set ip changing every N minutes and write IP history to count the pool.

 

[ProxyDIY]

Hello everybody,

My question is, for 1 4G Proxy, who can rotate manually every five minutes.

Whats the amount of different IP, i know its a weird question but are they a number limit of different IP for 4G Proxy? Or are they "unlimited" or always different?

(Sorry for my english btw)

This would depend on your geographic location. Depending on how populated your city is, you will get a pool of IPs anywhere from 2,000 to 200,000 IPs. Sometimes less if you're in a rural area.

 

[shmoof]

correct, but they consider many aspects, not just IP. So proxified requests can be detected omitting IP aspect.
Just look up for a service like "am I a bot" , "do I use proxy" etc via your posting software. Good point to start, https://github.com/NikolaiT/zardaxt then browse to LiveDemo.



Right, so when many requests come from the same ASN (subnet) with similar fingerprints, it is a red flag for banning. Proxy providers can change only OS TCP fingerprint , while your posting software can change every other fingerprint e.g. TLS fingerprint , Browser fingerprint, Cookies etc.

Is it better to target a specific ASN for a mobile proxy when having the option to do so to ensure trust with FB?

What about residential IPs? Would think they're less of a concern since they should already be a static IP to ensure trust with FB?

 

[shmoof]

Our farm has around 4000 LTE modems. Most individual providers do not operate such "big" numbers, which is why they normally do not keep "clean" connections. For example, many US mobile IP providers use wifi and not really LTE, so they end up in a different IP pool. Might show as mobile in IP databases, but I think Instagram is well aware of who is using those since almost no real legit users are on those (which is the whole point of mobile IPs, to begin with). But in general, yeah, totally agree with you.


From experience operating shared and dedicated mobile IP farms for years, the common fingerprint is always you, not the technical side of things. Yeah, there are thousands of people sharing your fingerprint, but none of them have the same fingerprint and have an iPhone giveaway if you get what I mean.

The mobile IPs market is a tricky one, especially for beginners. Since there are so many resellers, it is hard to judge if the price point reflects a good quality product, or just resellers wanting a higher margin. And the quality differences between WIFI mobile IP ranges and LTE mobile IP ranges are huge. But WIFI IP ranges are easier to acquire (business connections) and more scaleable (without investing a lot of money). If you compare it to our LTE farms, we invested almost 150k$ just in modems (not counting cables, computers, UPS, etc.). It can get crazy really quick.

The recent batch that left the office and went to one of our apartments:

View attachment 209628

It is a quite expensive bag

What is a good way to verify whether the assigned proxy IPs are truly mobile or just WiFi?

Also, if given the option of targeting an ASN for mobile proxies, will it be preferable to do to avoid being flagged for circumventing system?