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Here is the thread on this topic:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/google-affirms-the-value-of-outreach-link-building.1341194/
White hat SEO is a long process, but it is worth it
- Thread starter jefis
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https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/google-affirms-the-value-of-outreach-link-building.1341194/
- Mar 21, 2013
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The whole point of white, black or pink hat SEO is that something essentially free has become so pricey.
When I began in this business what you did there was 100% free.
Now your client spends $12k on a great (and effective) service such as you offer.
Still the whole debate is how expensive everything has become just to appease a single search engine. We had 20+ search engines when I started in this biz.
Yes, after you spend $12k and are successful, white hat was worth it.
But if we had more competition and a more open WWW such as in the 90's, your client would enjoy the same success, you could still provide the same succesful services, but ROI would be 10x at least.
Indeed, when I made my first site, the only SEO I did for it was on-page. I waited 2 months to see results but not get any traffic. I gave up, then suddenly after the 3 month my site started getting traffic. And then I realized what you are realizing now, white hat SEO is slow but it is worth it.
- Nov 25, 2017
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Doesn't matter the color of the hat.
Glad you were successful servicing your client.
Glad you were successful servicing your client.
Yes, I agree it's a long process.I run an SEO agency. Just wanted to share the results that we achieved for a client in the web application business.
Clicks have grown to 300-400% and the ROI is already positive in 7 months. The client spent about $12000 on the services which included strategy, audit, keyword research, on-page optimization, rewriting content for money pages, fixing technical issues, link-building, and many more.
A little side-note:
Communication with customers is hard, because they have a small understanding of how SEO works and that there should be instant results. SEO is a long process
You won't notice the results at first, or they might seem insignificant. But by seeing the big picture and by thinking long-term, the small things produce huge results.
I see results after after three or four months after the links are built.
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And here I am still spamming sites 
Grand Next
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nobody can ignore this. if you can stick with the white hat method, you are gonna get 99.9% positive result for sure. But it will take time and also it's gonna be stable
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outreach is different from guest posts etc though. essentially you just hope someone will find your site interesting to link to it.
stallion45d
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From 10 people Who spent 12000 , maybe 1 or 2 Will achieve results. The story of those 8 Who threw 12000 down the toilet is never told in forums.
I would rather spend 12000 in the lottery than buying links for a site. SEO is a Big lie
phoenix9
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LOL because those 8 only buy links without knowing if those links good or not.
And...seo is not only about buying links. It's all started by research keywords. Optimize your content and website then start buying links.
And If you miss any step, you can start blaming google for your own faults.
jefis
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It all starts with defining the goals of the SEO project with the client. Whether it's an increase in traffic, rank specific keywords, increase conversions, create brand awareness, and many more.
By knowing the goals, we can then plan ahead on what needs to be done to achieve those goals. The budget defines how fast these goals can be met. The larger the budget the more time (employees) you can spend on each project and more on links/content.
Each project starts with an in-depth SEO technical audit and keyword research. The results are then presented to the client and a potential time plan can be made for many months ahead.
The first that we do is fix everything that we can that needs to be fixed on-page (based on the audit results). It might take many months, based on the available budget and how much time my employees can spend on the project each month.
Once the site is technically close to perfection, we can move on to link-building, creating great content, strategize the next steps, analyze results, search for new keyword opportunities, optimize certain pages even more, etc.
It's not about competition. It's all about how much time you need to spend to fix all the issues. There are many high-end companies that don't even offer link-building. The on-page optimization for large company websites might take hundreds/thousands of work hours. Then there's in-depth analysis such as heatmaps, UX optimization, A/B testing, conversion rate optimization, content creation, competitor analysis, etc.
$1000 a month is much cheaper than a company would pay for a full-time employee, whose sole purpose would be SEO. Not even talking about the extra tools company would need to buy for the employee to be able to service them (ahrefs, screaming frog, etc). By hiring a company you get not just one employee, but a team of employees, each with a specific skill set and all the needed tools to perform the tasks.
SEO is not just about changing a few meta tags and buying links. Of course, for private website owners, it might be, and they don't need other services.
No, we're still servicing them full-time. We don't offer "maintenance mode". There's always more work to be done, things to be improved, new keywords acquired, etc. The client would only be done if all the keywords would be ranked #1, which is not possible. There's always room for improvement.
This was not about link-building. We service companies. If you do it yourself, your costs would be your time, plus some link-building costs (whatever you can afford).