I will not be vaccinated!

[adalbertmgrm]

you are lucky to live in country who respect your freedom you are lucky to say no ,,

It cannot be mandatory, it is a European Human Rights Violation. So it's my decision to get vaccinated or not.
Are there really mandatory countries? Which country, China?

 

[Willyfish]

Page 5... that was fast

 

[patriotnews]

Why don't vaccine companies take responsibility for the forms signed before vaccination?
Why are they talking about some dangerous and deadly risks?
It says they are approved for emergency use and there is not enough scientific data.

Companies in the US, not sure of other countries, so I am only speaking in the US; have always been shielded from frivolous lawsuits on vaccines, because it serves as encouragement to produce lower margin vaccines vs higher margin dick hard pills.

tylenol and Advil have listed dangerous and deadly side effects. It is a fact of medicine and the body.

correct, in the US, without FDA certification as a vaccine it is for emergency use authorization, cause the cogs of government move slow. Standard disclaimer on all emergency use medicines and such.

 

[adalbertmgrm]

It is the lounge, and you clearly have an agenda after reviewing your account, but the thread is not against the rules as it stands now.

All different topics and all natural. As I like this part of this forum, I'm usually not active in other parts. (Maybe just for now) But these are important issues that need to be discussed. There are people who want to look at this issue and participate. I open up my experiences and thoughts and am curious about other members' reactions. As long as there is no "Flood" "Spam" and "Advertising" we will be fine.

Anyway. The issue now is vaccines. And the blackhatworld.com science board is discussing it...

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

And the blackhatworld.com science board is discussing it...

And where would we be without the official BHW Science board... glad we have them around.

I'm still a lab monkey though so I suspect they will be asking for blood, urine, and kidney tissue samples any day from me.

 

[patriotnews]

It cannot be mandatory, it is a European Human Rights Violation. So it's my decision to get vaccinated or not.
Are there really mandatory countries? Which country, China?

Well actually the European Court on Human Rights has said differently, but of course this would need to be relitigated:

“The main rule within international human rights law is that vaccination, like any other medical intervention, must be based on the recipient’s free and informed consent. This rule is, however, not absolute. In Solomakhin v Ukraine, the European Court of Human Rights (the Court) held that mandatory vaccination interferes with a person’s right to integrity protected under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Nevertheless, the Court concluded such interference may be justified if considered a ‘necessity to control the spreading of infectious diseases’ (para 36).”
Source

 

[adalbertmgrm]

Companies in the US, not sure of other countries, so I am only speaking in the US; have always been shielded from frivolous lawsuits on vaccines, because it serves as encouragement to produce lower margin vaccines vs higher margin dick hard pills.

tylenol and Advil have listed dangerous and deadly side effects. It is a fact of medicine and the body.

correct, in the US, without FDA certification as a vaccine it is for emergency use authorization, cause the cogs of government move slow. Standard disclaimer on all emergency use medicines and such.

Distrust of vaccines that have been approved for emergency use should never be a laughing stock. Second, many social media outlets, including Google, censor those who criticize the vaccine. It should have been considered normal to want to discuss the risks of a vaccine approved for emergency use. It doesn't seem normal to me that all the media in the world are so optimistic and confident.

 

[Willyfish]

Well actually the European Court on Human Rights has said differently, but of course this would need to be relitigated:

“The main rule within international human rights law is that vaccination, like any other medical intervention, must be based on the recipient’s free and informed consent. This rule is, however, not absolute. In https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22docname%22:[%22SOLOMAKHIN%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-109565%22]}, the European Court of Human Rights (the Court) held that mandatory vaccination interferes with a person’s right to integrity protected under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Nevertheless, the Court concluded such interference may be justified if considered a ‘necessity to control the spreading of infectious diseases’ (para 36).”
https://gchumanrights.org/preparedness/article-on/is-mandatory-vaccination-against-covid-19-justifiable-under-the-european-convention-on-human-rights.html

But when you see something like that :




https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
Why they would not rush a vaccine and sell it and pay doctors to say good things about it if they showed already they care only about the money? and they have no accountability at all if we experiment problems with the vaccine.

I am a little bit scared to trust the largest health care fraud business for my vaccine. Is that not logical?

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

But when you see something like that :

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https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
Why they would not rush a vaccine and sell it and pay doctors to say good things about it if they showed already they care only about the money? and they have no accountability at all if we experiment problems with the vaccine.

I am a little bit scared to trust the largest health care fraud business for my vaccine. Is that not logical?

None of them are lily white at that level.

 

[Mrnewbie]

Distrust of vaccines that have been approved for emergency use should never be a laughing stock. Second, many social media outlets, including Google, censor those who criticize the vaccine. It should have been considered normal to want to discuss the risks of a vaccine approved for emergency use. It doesn't seem normal to me that all the media in the world are so optimistic and confident.

My suggestion to you is to do what is best for yourself as that what matters the most and feel good about that decision. If you want to see the thread that has talked about this, feel free right here https://www.blackhatworld.com/search/2755918/?q=covid+vaccination&o=relevance. Again, no one is angry with you about your theories, but it has been talked to death here already, so unless you're adding something new to the conversion, I don't see the point of the thread. Just my 2 cents

 

[adalbertmgrm]

And where would we be without the official BHW Science board... glad we have them around.

yeah! Science is nobody's property. We can discuss too.

 

[Deleted member 141666]

I’ve been vaccinated 200 times, I like being a lab monkey as well as spanking it

You mean, you have charged your battery 200 times?!

 

[adalbertmgrm]

My suggestion to you is to do what is best for yourself as that what matters the most and feel good about that decision. If you want to see the thread that has talked about this, feel free right here https://www.blackhatworld.com/search/2755918/?q=covid+vaccination&o=relevance. Again, no one is angry with you about your theories, but it has been talked to death here already, so unless you're adding something new to the conversion, I don't see the point of the thread. Just my 2 cents

You may be right. Next time should be a more original topic. And I know, I actually reviewed them too.
Still, I think it builds an opinion database for the public or social media, and that's valuable.
There is no such criticism and discussion environment even on Twitter. Because they're a damn censor.

 

[patriotnews]

Distrust of vaccines that have been approved for emergency use should never be a laughing stock. Second, many social media outlets, including Google, censor those who criticize the vaccine. It should have been considered normal to want to discuss the risks of a vaccine approved for emergency use. It doesn't seem normal to me that all the media in the world are so optimistic and confident.

No one is censoring scientific data on any medication… they are removing harmful information from people who haven’t done any research. There is a difference, when it comes to certain things.
It is like going to a bakery, asking them how to build a nuclear reactor. Yeah… they may be expert cake bakers, but not so good at the thermo nuclear stuff… and just because both processes involve heat doesn’t mean the baker truly has a clue… sure they could say a bunch of stuff, but it would be best to listen to those in the field… medicine works the same way.

But when you see something like that :

View attachment 175866


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
Why they would not rush a vaccine and sell it and pay doctors to say good things about it if they showed already they care only about the money? and they have no accountability at all if we experiment problems with the vaccine.

I am a little bit scared to trust the largest health care fraud business for my vaccine. Is that not logical?

Marketing… that fine was for marketing.
the drugs were approved for one use, they learned of other uses and instead of reapplying for additional uses, just marketed it for such.
Like viagra, made for one use, found to have a different use, reapplied for that and marketed it as such.
That is a fine for marketing…
And I am not saying “blind trust”, I didn’t blindly trust, I talked with several doctors about this, and got the vaccine they recommended after I did some research.

See the nice part is, there is tons of free and peer reviewed quality data available on vaccines, mountains of the stuff. Even on the mRNA vaccine over it’s decades of study already, has produced mountains of independent peer reviewed information. All freely available to read. Have you availed yourself of that information? Have you spent 100+ hours reading the studies already done?
Notice, I’m holding the scientific standard of peer review, which is a basic standard, because it excludes garbage studies. So we’re only talking of the independently peer reviewed information readily available on vaccines. Have you spent the time reading and researching all of that?

 

[thevideoguy]

But when you see something like that :

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https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
Why they would not rush a vaccine and sell it and pay doctors to say good things about it if they showed already they care only about the money? and they have no accountability at all if we experiment problems with the vaccine.

I am a little bit scared to trust the largest health care fraud business for my vaccine. Is that not logical?

You don't have to trust the business much at this stage, enough people are vaccinated to know it's relatively safe and effective.

480,000,000 people fully vaccinated with 2,260,000,000 vaccine doses given and a tonne of data on the results out there. Many clinical trials, meta analysis of trials and data from general vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

If you aren't confident in any of the covid-19 vaccines after 2.26 billion doses and all the research that has been done this far I don't know what to tell you.

If you know it's quite safe and effective, and that it's much safer to get vaccinated then to not and you are still worried about it because a while back a pharma company promoted some drugs in non approved ways then I would say that is not logical, no.

 

[adalbertmgrm]

Well actually the European Court on Human Rights has said differently, but of course this would need to be relitigated:

“The main rule within international human rights law is that vaccination, like any other medical intervention, must be based on the recipient’s free and informed consent. This rule is, however, not absolute. In https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22docname%22:[%22SOLOMAKHIN%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-109565%22]}, the European Court of Human Rights (the Court) held that mandatory vaccination interferes with a person’s right to integrity protected under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Nevertheless, the Court concluded such interference may be justified if considered a ‘necessity to control the spreading of infectious diseases’ (para 36).”
https://gchumanrights.org/preparedness/article-on/is-mandatory-vaccination-against-covid-19-justifiable-under-the-european-convention-on-human-rights.html

The issue of mandatory vaccinations is a very controversial issue. However, if a person is very sick and confirmed, they can be placed under surveillance. But even verifying such a thing is not easy and is an exception. According to the current situation, mandatory vaccination would be such a disgrace that it could go down in history universally. On the other hand, it causes very strong reactions and actions. Maybe only in non-democratic countries it may be mandatory, but I think it is a dream for European countries. People in Europe can take to the streets and scare the government.

But in reality, at the last stage, I think this pandemic will be a fiasco. (I'm not claiming but this is my most sincere opinion)

 

[Crazycam727]

this could become 10 pager

 

[silenzio_im]

Why does it take so long for vaccines to usually come to market? An answer is there.
also look at mRNA and how long it has been studied, and then look at how it communicates the message, and see how that works as a basic vaccine… I mean since it has been tested and is in testing now as a vaccine for cancer.
I’m not sure if your garden is set up for genetic sequencing, viral sterilization, centrifuges, and hundreds of virologists… so maybe.

you are just that type of kid who watches the "HOW VACCINE WORK" and you be "yes i know all, you dont have proof, blablabla"

 

[andyframpton]

Maybe only in non-democratic countries it may be mandatory, but I think it is a dream for European countries.

Just to give you a heads up that there are lots of democratic countries which are not in Europe or the European Union.

 

[Willyfish]

No one is censoring scientific data on any medication… they are removing harmful information from people who haven’t done any research. There is a difference, when it comes to certain things.
It is like going to a bakery, asking them how to build a nuclear reactor. Yeah… they may be expert cake bakers, but not so good at the thermo nuclear stuff… and just because both processes involve heat doesn’t mean the baker truly has a clue… sure they could say a bunch of stuff, but it would be best to listen to those in the field… medicine works the same way.

Marketing… that fine was for marketing.
the drugs were approved for one use, they learned of other uses and instead of reapplying for additional uses, just marketed it for such.
Like viagra, made for one use, found to have a different use, reapplied for that and marketed it as such.
That is a fine for marketing…
And I am not saying “blind trust”, I didn’t blindly trust, I talked with several doctors about this, and got the vaccine they recommended after I did some research.

See the nice part is, there is tons of free and peer reviewed quality data available on vaccines, mountains of the stuff. Even on the mRNA vaccine over it’s decades of study already, has produced mountains of independent peer reviewed information. All freely available to read. Have you availed yourself of that information? Have you spent 100+ hours reading the studies already done?
Notice, I’m holding the scientific standard of peer review, which is a basic standard, because it excludes garbage studies. So we’re only talking of the independently peer reviewed information readily available on vaccines. Have you spent the time reading and researching all of that?

I didn't spent 100 hours on the researches as I have other things to do, but I am not the type of guy to affirm something without any research at all so I reserve my judgement. what I can say?

I do spend most of my time doing marketing, so when I see a company doing illegal marketing, I can have a good opinion about the company. Same as scammers here, if you do illegal you are banned, it's the rules. Pfizer would be banned from here for illegal marketing, I don't like scammers.

You don't have to trust the business much at this stage, enough people are vaccinated to know it's relatively safe and effective.

480,000,000 people fully vaccinated with 2,260,000,000 vaccine doses given and a tonne of data on the results out there. Many clinical trials, meta analysis of trials and data from general vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

If you aren't confident in any of the covid-19 vaccines after 2.26 billion doses and all the research that has been done this far I don't know what to tell you.

If you know it's quite safe and effective, and that it's much safer to get vaccinated then to not and you are still worried about it because a while back a pharma company promoted some drugs in non approved ways then I would say that is not logical, no.

We don't know the long term side effects.

Same as here, cheap pbn links are great and 2 years later the domains drop and you realised you were fucked... we are not even one year into mass testing... Maybe in two years it's like smoking, we will see side effects, nobody can predict this because it's new. Pure logic.

I just know that illegal marketing is absolutely bad and I don't like fraudulent companies that trick poor people, and all these pharmas companies like a mod said before have fraudulent and illegal cases.

If they were on BHW, they would have their ass banned forever already for scamming people. I don't like scammers.