I will not be vaccinated!

Willyfish said:

I didn't spent 100 hours on the researches as I have other things to do, but I am not the type of guy to affirm something without any research at all so I reserve my judgement. what I can say?

I do spend most of my time doing marketing, so when I see a company doing illegal marketing, I can have a good opinion about the company. Same as scammers here, if you do illegal you are banned, it's the rules. Pfizer would be banned from here for illegal marketing, I don't like scammers.



We don't know the long term side effects.

Same as here, cheap pbn links are great and 2 years later the domains drop and you realised you were fucked... we are not even one year into mass testing... Maybe in two years it's like smoking, we will see side effects, nobody can predict this because it's new. Pure logic.

I just know that illegal marketing is absolutely bad and I don't like fraudulent companies that trick poor people, and all these pharmas companies like a mod said before have fraudulent and illegal cases.

If they were on BHW, they would have their ass banned forever already for scamming people. I don't like scammers.

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We don't really need to know the long term side effects for sure to know that it's almost certainly safe. I mean, we don't know long term side effects of getting the virus either.

But we can guess based on how similar infections progress, and how other vaccines have worked over the long term.

We can also look at the data of 2.2 billion doses and 1+ year of vaccines and make some pretty solid assumptions about safety.

Not taking an almost certainly safe and effective medication because we haven't used it for 50 years is just silly man.

Can you give me a specific example of data you would want to see to ensure relative safety before you took it? Like how many years of other 500 million or more people getting vaccinated before you were confident in it. Just curious.

silenzio_im said:

For example, elections in some countries that have been rigged, and exist proof, even USA was rigged in that time, "IN THE NAME OF GOOD" they made some changes in the process of voting.

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Point of order for the US: the election was not “rigged”, yes changes were made to processes but those were processes already in place and just expanded. Nothing dramatically different occurred. All “evidence” of fraud has been easily disproven.

adalbertmgrm said:

The issue of mandatory vaccinations is a very controversial issue. However, if a person is very sick and confirmed, they can be placed under surveillance. But even verifying such a thing is not easy and is an exception. According to the current situation, mandatory vaccination would be such a disgrace that it could go down in history universally. On the other hand, it causes very strong reactions and actions. Maybe only in non-democratic countries it may be mandatory, but I think it is a dream for European countries. People in Europe can take to the streets and scare the government.

But in reality, at the last stage, I think this pandemic will be a fiasco. (I'm not claiming but this is my most sincere opinion)

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So, as you can see the European Court of Human Rights does allow for mandatory vaccines, the same as the United States allows for them.
Requiring so, enforcing such, and implementing that; are a different conversation.
First we were discussing the claim that it wasn’t allowed, which it was. No sliding scale of points please, you didn’t acknowledge you were wrong and just moved forward.

I didn’t claim that mandatory vaccinations weren’t controversial or damn near impossible to implement in a forced style.
The way to do so is require vaccine record verifications for activities. Jobs can require it from employees, amusement parks/airlines/ transit can require it for services, so on and so forth.
I know at my job we debated for a bit on mandatory vaccines for employment; also as my role on a large industry trade group, we debated it on panels.

silenzio_im said:

you are just that type of kid who watches the "HOW VACCINE WORK" and you be "yes i know all, you dont have proof, blablabla"

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Ok, that’s for the opinion.

Willyfish said:

I didn't spent 100 hours on the researches as I have other things to do, but I am not the type of guy to affirm something without any research at all so I reserve my judgement. what I can say?

I do spend most of my time doing marketing, so when I see a company doing illegal marketing, I can have a good opinion about the company. Same as scammers here, if you do illegal you are banned, it's the rules. Pfizer would be banned from here for illegal marketing, I don't like scammers.

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Well at this point, the onus is on you. You haven’t done the proper research, yet say you reserve your decision until you research… that is a circular logic fallacy, as you “are too busy to read watch” but won’t do something without researching… that is just justification of failure.

so you also understand that marketing and research are different departments, often in different cities? Those departments don’t interact. You know that right? This isn’t like a single guy operation. You’re reaching with this one, seeking any justification you can. That’s fine, but it doesn’t make what happened different based upon the actual facts of that case. But hey, using this as justification saves you research time, am I right?
And no large company has pristine hands, as they grow so too does the focus on them, so too does the rules and regulations on them. What a smaller company can get away with and a larger company are often different, and it goes both ways too.
So using a fine over marketing, to justify corrupting research, is a stretch.

hey, you don’t want to take the vaccine, that is a choice. Long term, you just have to accept the potential repercussions of that decision.
Like I helped a company roll-out a mask program where vaccinated people didn’t have to wear masks, while the unvaxxed folks still had to wear masks. Some complained, some threatened lawsuits; we knew our justification was sound, so the company held their ground. Things like that are something to expect going forward for many people and as they interact with more companies, and the next viral pandemic hits it will only get stricter.

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This is the reason why I keep coming back to BHW

thevideoguy said:

We don't really need to know the long term side effects for sure to know that it's almost certainly safe. I mean, we don't know long term side effects of getting the virus either.

But we can guess based on how similar infections progress, and how other vaccines have worked over the long term.

We can also look at the data of 2.2 billion doses and 1+ year of vaccines and make some pretty solid assumptions about safety.

Not taking an almost certainly safe and effective medication because we haven't used it for 50 years is just silly man.

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Not 50 years of course, I will take it in a year if I can, to see if nothing bad happens to people.

But I feel pretty bad to consume a product from a fraudulent company, it goes against my ethics as a marketer unfortunately, so when I see things like that and my line of conduct was always to consume products from respectable and valuable brands, it makes me feel bad... I know they care only about money and not health, even disengaging themselves from side effects. It's why I am still unsure about the quality.

If Pfizer is doing a vaccine that is like a cheap aliexpress product, we are fucked if we take it... For example here on BHW when you order a product, you want to be sure about the quality first, and if you are scammed you put them in the Shit list, if Pfizer fucks us, we can't even shit list them because they signed something to be untouchable, it's very shady from a business perspective.

For the time of testing I see it the same as some beauty brands which released creams and 5 years later, girls had problems with their skin. It's why we know here the reputation of a brand is very important, and you must check their history before dealing with them. I checked the history of these pharma brands and they all scammed people a little bit like smm panels here, so I feel a little bit unsafe about their product to be honest. So I still take the time for this important decision.

"I will not get vaccinated" because I got already infected and recovered and due to the fact that the vaccine might take ages to reach in here.

patriotnews said:

Point of order for the US: the election was not “rigged”, yes changes were made to processes but those were processes already in place and just expanded. Nothing dramatically different occurred. All “evidence” of fraud has been easily disproven.

So, as you can see the European Court of Human Rights does allow for mandatory vaccines, the same as the United States allows for them.
Requiring so, enforcing such, and implementing that; are a different conversation.
First we were discussing the claim that it wasn’t allowed, which it was. No sliding scale of points please, you didn’t acknowledge you were wrong and just moved forward.

I didn’t claim that mandatory vaccinations weren’t controversial or damn near impossible to implement in a forced style.
The way to do so is require vaccine record verifications for activities. Jobs can require it from employees, amusement parks/airlines/ transit can require it for services, so on and so forth.
I know at my job we debated for a bit on mandatory vaccines for employment; also as my role on a large industry trade group, we debated it on panels.

Ok, that’s for the opinion.

Well at this point, the onus is on you. You haven’t done the proper research, yet say you reserve your decision until you research… that is a circular logic fallacy, as you “are too busy to read watch” but won’t do something without researching… that is just justification of failure.

so you also understand that marketing and research are different departments, often in different cities? Those departments don’t interact. You know that right? This isn’t like a single guy operation. You’re reaching with this one, seeking any justification you can. That’s fine, but it doesn’t make what happened different based upon the actual facts of that case. But hey, using this as justification saves you research time, am I right?
And no large company has pristine hands, as they grow so too does the focus on them, so too does the rules and regulations on them. What a smaller company can get away with and a larger company are often different, and it goes both ways too.
So using a fine over marketing, to justify corrupting research, is a stretch.

hey, you don’t want to take the vaccine, that is a choice. Long term, you just have to accept the potential repercussions of that decision.
Like I helped a company roll-out a mask program where vaccinated people didn’t have to wear masks, while the unvaxxed folks still had to wear masks. Some complained, some threatened lawsuits; we knew our justification was sound, so the company held their ground. Things like that are something to expect going forward for many people and as they interact with more companies, and the next viral pandemic hits it will only get stricter.

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I did my research the same way as I do research for my business, if the company has a shady past and their product or service, or their history is shady, I don't do business with them.

The vaccine is the product and they didn't provide enough social proof to me to take it.

I see them like I see Neil Patel, I checked the reviews online, and checked about the brand, i decided to not hire his agency because of shady and fraudulent things...

I see the vaccine the same way for the moment, it's a new product, one years old, in a moment of our history where we are weak, so like any business decision, I wait and make it wisely.

and you wonder why some states or even countries are giving shit away to get people to get the vaccine

Willyfish said:

Not 50 years of course, I will take it in a year if I can, to see if nothing bad happens to people.

But I feel pretty bad to consume a product from a fraudulent company, it goes against my ethics as a marketer unfortunately, so when I see things like that and my line of conduct was always to consume products from respectable and valuable brands, it makes me feel bad... I know they care only about money and not health, even disengaging themselves from side effects. It's why I am still unsure about the quality.

If Pfizer is doing a vaccine that is like a cheap aliexpress product, we are fucked if we take it... For example here on BHW when you order a product, you want to be sure about the quality first, and if you are scammed you put them in the Shit list, if Pfizer fucks us, we can't even shit list them because they signed something to be untouchable, it's very shady from a business perspective.

For the time of testing I see it the same as some beauty brands which released creams and 5 years later, girls had problems with their skin. It's why we know here the reputation of a brand is very important, and you must check their history before dealing with them. I checked the history of these pharma brands and they all scammed people a little bit like smm panels here, so I feel a little bit unsafe about their product to be honest. So I still take the time for this important decision.

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I am not standing up for the pharm companies but I think you will very hard pushed to find a big company without blood on its hands somewhere down the line.
You said you don’t use unethical companies so I hope you never drink a coke, have a Big Mac, wear a Hugo boss suit, feed your children powdered milk, use petrol in your car, own a diamond, use a bank, eat fish which is not lined caught.
There are millions of things I could go on about. I think if we thought about all of these things we would never do or eat, drink anything.

Some people choose to get completely shitfaced every weekend when they know it’s bad for them. Some people smoke. Some take drugs. I eat junk. Some have the vaccine.

We all decide what we want to put into our bodies. If I sprout an extra cock so be it. I can dp the misses.

And yes, I don’t take anything seriously, even this stuff. I’ve been fed drugs that have barely been tested but I know not everyone is like me and by like me I mean as amazing as me haha

Willyfish said:

I did my research the same way as I do research for my business, if the company has a shady past and their product or service, or their history is shady, I don't do business with them.

The vaccine is the product and they didn't provide enough social proof to me to take it.

I see them like I see Neil Patel, I checked the reviews online, and checked about the brand, i decided to not hire his agency because of shady and fraudulent things...

I see the vaccine the same way for the moment, it's a new product, one years old, in a moment of our history where we are weak, so like any business decision, I wait and make it wisely.

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so it isn’t about the quality of the vaccine or the mountains of science behind it, it is because they got fined on a technicality over some marketing… we all make choices.
And if you read up on the mRNA vaccine, it is actually decades old. Lots of trials and clinical sand research conducted on it. So you ignore the decades of research behind that, because you haven’t researched it, and ignore the 3 other companies with vaccines, and 2 different types of vaccines because one company paid a fine over a technicality in their marketing.
ok, you made a choice, and you are prepared to accept those consequences.

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We are discussing vaccines and such, not people’s failures in understanding the election process, that is a different thread and probably not allowed here, and my DMs don’t allow for such mess.
nice try though.

adalbertmgrm said:

Because I'm not a lab monkey.

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But you will be a lab monkey if covid gives you a visit.

I got affected by very mild case of covid (thank god no complications and recovered at home). But, it was the worst illness I have faced in my life. So take this decision very carefully.

patriotnews said:

so it isn’t about the quality of the vaccine or the mountains of science behind it, it is because they got fined on a technicality over some marketing… we all make choices.
And if you read up on the mRNA vaccine, it is actually decades old. Lots of trials and clinical sand research conducted on it. So you ignore the decades of research behind that, because you haven’t researched it, and ignore the 3 other companies with vaccines, and 2 different types of vaccines because one company paid a fine over a technicality in their marketing.
ok, you made a choice, and you are prepared to accept those consequences.


We are discussing vaccines and such, not people’s failures in understanding the election process, that is a different thread and probably not allowed here, and my DMs don’t allow for such mess.
nice try though.

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Really? Explain then, stop acting like u know all, u literally a incult

patriotnews said:

so it isn’t about the quality of the vaccine or the mountains of science behind it, it is because they got fined on a technicality over some marketing… we all make choices.
And if you read up on the mRNA vaccine, it is actually decades old. Lots of trials and clinical sand research conducted on it. So you ignore the decades of research behind that, because you haven’t researched it, and ignore the 3 other companies with vaccines, and 2 different types of vaccines because one company paid a fine over a technicality in their marketing.
ok, you made a choice, and you are prepared to accept those consequences.

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1. When I make a decision, I make it fully informed and not when I am scared by a situation, it's important for me.
2. In my country we have 2 vaccines, and Pfizer is pushed a lot, Moderna a bit. They had many products that they released and were considered bad products so they had to take them out of the market because of some side effects. When I check a marketplace seller, I always check to see if they released a BST, and if like Pfizer, mods decide to close the BST, I will be sure about the quality of the seller... Pfizer and Moderna do not inspire me because many of their products had their BST closed if I can say...
3. I am not a doctor so I don't do all these research. When a company sells a product, it's her responsibility to offer trust for the customer to buy, if I am not ready to buy it's because they didn't do things good enough. I am the potential customer of their product and I must be sure before taking any decision that I would regret. They use scarcity and time incentive in their marketing but I am not warm enough yet. And their fraudulent products they released before, do not make me a warm lead at all for the moment...

andyframpton said:

I am not standing up for the pharm companies but I think you will very hard pushed to find a big company without blood on its hands somewhere down the line.
You said you don’t use unethical companies so I hope you never drink a coke, have a Big Mac, wear a Hugo boss suit, feed your children powdered milk, use petrol in your car, own a diamond, use a bank, eat fish which is not lined caught.
There are millions of things I could go on about. I think if we thought about all of these things we would never do or eat, drink anything.

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I try as much as I can buddy. I don't drink coke only water and try to be more minimalistic and respectful about the ecology and take informed choices about what I buy. It's important to do that in 2021 I feel... be more responsible as consumers and not jump on a coke or vaccine without being fully informed.

adalbertmgrm said:

Because I'm not a lab monkey.

Without sufficient observation, evidence and an equal discussion environment, I will not have the vaccinations you do.
Because I'm not a goddamn sheep and your authoritarian institutions can't scare me.

By the way, congratulations to the World Health Organization, they wrote a good horror movie script.
Note: I contacted the World Health Organization and they told me that the new season will be filmed soon. (They said that the new season will start from Covid-22)

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Oh okay, I see. Good for you, Bro. Bravo !
Allow me to share this. I have another experience. I had all the symptoms of the Covid-19, about October 2020,
last year...<just after we met and talked to our old friend, a military man, right after we came back from his barrack__things I was very suspicious on the where I got the virus__because it was at the same period time
of hundres of the Naval ship's crews got positive of the virus after the military leader hiding it but it leaks>,
but due my hubby is an elderly ( and I didn't drive ) so I did not want to put him in a danger
circumstance if I go get the test, because during that time was no vaccine yet. And many people got the
virus soon after they had a harsh communication with the paramedics, then I decided to didn't get the test.
But from all the way I had them, I thought I have it already. At the day I got my nose so watery and my
throat so soar, I worried if that is Covid-19, and I kept observing myself as I started quarantine myself from
people in the house, our roommates.

Yes, from those 2 symptoms in me, the next day I got headache crazily/the 3rd ; then the next day I got fever/ the 4th ---> I still hope it wasn't Covid-19 ---> I had abt 3 days fever---> and during the fever, my eyes turned to reddish/the 5th at the above of them, with the seed of the eyes such as almost jumped out, but made me difficult to sleep. So I couldn't sleep at least 2-3 days !!! Then my body getting weak. ---> Then a new thing was coming that surprised me badly : the heart-burned !That the 6th symptom. Hey..what is this ? I never had it before. Oh nooo...

That was not stop yet. Then I got a crazy difficult to breathe , Oh My God ! that is the 7th. I then ( finally ) thought that I was positive had it , the Corona virus . But God seemed testing me more that other people,
----> then I got <excuse me> a diarrhea / the 8th__ more than 5 times a day ! My husband suggested me his medicine and unfortunately I couldn't take it, cause since I had the side effect of medication of my hospitalized too long in 1996 that yeahh I have to admit it : am healed after 15 days there, but not taking too long I came back home, I got infection my right kidney : too much medication ! That is the reason way I do not want to take any medicine for my body, anymore. I choose the "real and true medication from the mother earth", because no one selling kidney at any store. A mankind's kidney is never be on the grocery list, so instead I almost get a blood washing method for my kidney, I say no and start live my life healthier more and more than before. Thanks God, alhamdulil lah..haleluyah, it's work wonderfully, withhhhh...no side effect !

Well, back to the quarantine period time---> I still got another new day with another new symptoms, which are :
vomitted /the 9th ! Oh nooo... diarrhea + vomitted ? The diarrhea was in 10 days ! Then another new things landed on me during having these hardship time : dizziness/ the 9th about after one week. Whattttt... ? Then the 9 days got pain in my chest / the 10 th symptom, then the "elephant symptom" , like an elephant falling down to my chest .
And the last I got was the FATIGUE..until my legs lost their ability to suport my body to stand, then I felt down ..its weird and so scarry, it just happened, felt down in a very badly badly surprised how could it happened.
I thought I might done after this, it would be over, really done closely done. But I rose my faith, motivated myself that I still have so many things to do, then I asked God to give me more chance to live , then I did a very focus we called it by "dzekir " or yeah a kind of "a highly KHOSHOOK meditation" in Islam.

That mentally support and the physical treatment are I started doing 2 style of fasting, the first " a watermelon fasting" for detox, and the real fasting ( imitated the Ramadan one) 3 days each of both. I practically was only consuming watermelon day and night and 3 times a day dosage of + 2 tablet/capsule of ginseng+ fish oli+vitamin D + one big cup of spicy juice ( bananas+ a lot of ginger+ pomegranate the white things & the seeds together + lime's extract + tumeric + blackseeds + kapol + cinnamon ; some time changed bananas with carrots, some with avocado-bits, but still with all those spicy agents) in the morning and evening. Then after the fasting days, I changed the booster by keep following the things from the Bible and the Holy Koran mentioned.

Now, ALHAMDULIL LAH>>>HALELUYAH >>>> am cured, after quarantined myself for 30 days !!!!
But I do not want to mocking people who only put their trust to the vaccine then did not do anything to
take A VERY GOOD CARE of their own body. No, my friends. ...that is not a good way. Keyword is our
antibody. Boost it up ! If the situation grwoth to more dangerous to our health, certainly we have to do
something more than before. I do not use the microwave anymore, for 20 years already now. Frying my food
without the deep fry anymore, consuming more fish than be4, but I am the more bean and nuts eater now.
Chicken, beef, meatball etc, when I cook for my husband, I always give the bean or nuts as the special company for our meal. And....we only have one meal a day. If we are get starving, we grabbing fruits or sweet potatoes, or
boil 3 minutes corn. Or having one bowl of bean ( kidney bean, panda eyes's bean, black bean, polcadot bean, etc) with 3 table spoon of ice cream + chopped ginger+fig's sliced or sometime dates on it.

So, I kindly allow me to call anyone out there who decide to do not get any vaccine ( as what am doing ) to do not need to get angry to another, and you can;t do not do it then didn't do anything to your body, or you also do not put your mask on. Come on...use all the science in the wise way. By vaccinated or not, you are not even a big enough creature of God to push the virus away from our life. So, be better if you think by not vaccinated is the better one for you, and that is not by letting any harm tincy tincy thing penetrate your body. AND THE IMPORTANT THING is
what things suppose to do for your body, to compare with those vaccine ? I do the better way for the better life.
And I think am the worse of Covid-19 survival....without any medication with no doctor. But I have my special doctor already. Hahaha...hehe...alhamdulil lah...haleluyah ! Might GBU , people !

silenzio_im said:

Really? Explain then, stop acting like u know all, u literally a incult

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I owe you nothing, and since you have shown a desire to attack and attempt to belittle in the conversation, I certainly don’t owe you my labor of an explanation.
The information is freely available, maybe someone else will spoon feed you, but due to your behavior towards me, and open bias, you’re owed nothing from me.
Maybe next time talk like you are open minded and hood a conversation without the pettiness and you will find a more receptive conversation.

Willyfish said:

1. When I make a decision, I make it fully informed and not when I am scared by a situation, it's important for me.
2. In my country we have 2 vaccines, and Pfizer is pushed a lot, Moderna a bit. They had many products that they released and were considered bad products so they had to take them out of the market because of some side effects. When I check a marketplace seller, I always check to see if they released a BST, and if like Pfizer, mods decide to close the BST, I will be sure about the quality of the seller... Pfizer and Moderna do not inspire me because many of their products had their BST closed if I can say...
3. I am not a doctor so I don't do all these research. When a company sells a product, it's her responsibility to offer trust for the customer to buy, if I am not ready to buy it's because they didn't do things good enough. I am the potential customer of their product and I must be sure before taking any decision that I would regret. They use scarcity and time incentive in their marketing but I am not warm enough yet. And their fraudulent products they released before, do not make me a warm lead at all for the moment...

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1) but you said you “didn’t have the time” to research… so how do you make a decision without giving yourself the time to research it?
2) medicine and huge global corporations are different from a guy selling GSA links from a dirty cramped basement. You’re holding up apples as a comparison example to not buying a car. Very different businesses, and not comparable.
3) they have published the research free online, that is providing the information to people to make informed decisions. You wanting them to spoon feed you every ounce of information is sorely lacking in an understanding of how businesses operate on a large scale. The information you want is readily available to read and research on your own. And again, your example earlier was literally a fine over a technicality in their marketing, not a fraudulent product, there is a difference.

look, the more you try to justify your choice to not take it, the weaker your reasoning for not taking it is shown to be. You don’t owe anyone an explanation for your decision, no matter whatever reason you cook up, but it is also disingenuous to try to present your reasons as sound. Your reasons are personal, I can see that, but those reasons aren’t based on research, or anything else. The research and peer reviewed scientific studies are available, you want them spoon fed to you like they are offering an up sell on a click bank product, and that just won’t happen. As responsible citizens, we are responsible for ourselves, and sometimes it is on us to do work to educate ourselves; especially on a proven scientific standard such as vaccination, and then we need to look up specifics for each type of vaccine.
That is what I am saying: I’m not claiming to be a virologist, but explaining the process of deductive research using reliable sources to form a knowledgeable decision over using a circular fallacy reason mixed with grasping at straws for justification.
I just want people to make sound decisions, nothing more.

Willyfish said:

It's not around 5 years normally?

Or I can do a vaccine in my garden tomorrow?

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mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades. Implementation of a mRNA vaccine can take under a year, instead of years that traditional vaccines take.

patriotnews said:

I owe you nothing, and since you have shown a desire to attack and attempt to belittle in the conversation, I certainly don’t owe you my labor of an explanation.
The information is freely available, maybe someone else will spoon feed you, but due to your behavior towards me, and open bias, you’re owed nothing from me.
Maybe next time talk like you are open minded and hood a conversation without the pettiness and you will find a more receptive conversation.

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Okay mate, I will let you in your "free world" go get a donut from the government and your reliable sources from CNN and BBC, bye.

patriotnews said:

I owe you nothing, and since you have shown a desire to attack and attempt to belittle in the conversation, I certainly don’t owe you my labor of an explanation.
The information is freely available, maybe someone else will spoon feed you, but due to your behavior towards me, and open bias, you’re owed nothing from me.
Maybe next time talk like you are open minded and hood a conversation without the pettiness and you will find a more receptive conversation.

1) but you said you “didn’t have the time” to research… so how do you make a decision without giving yourself the time to research it?
2) medicine and huge global corporations are different from a guy selling GSA links from a dirty cramped basement. You’re holding up apples as a comparison example to not buying a car. Very different businesses, and not comparable.
3) they have published the research free online, that is providing the information to people to make informed decisions. You wanting them to spoon feed you every ounce of information is sorely lacking in an understanding of how businesses operate on a large scale. The information you want is readily available to read and research on your own. And again, your example earlier was literally a fine over a technicality in their marketing, not a fraudulent product, there is a difference.

look, the more you try to justify your choice to not take it, the weaker your reasoning for not taking it is shown to be. You don’t owe anyone an explanation for your decision, no matter whatever reason you cook up, but it is also disingenuous to try to present your reasons as sound. Your reasons are personal, I can see that, but those reasons aren’t based on research, or anything else. The research and peer reviewed scientific studies are available, you want them spoon fed to you like they are offering an up sell on a click bank product, and that just won’t happen. As responsible citizens, we are responsible for ourselves, and sometimes it is on us to do work to educate ourselves; especially on a proven scientific standard such as vaccination, and then we need to look up specifics for each type of vaccine.
That is what I am saying: I’m not claiming to be a virologist, but explaining the process of deductive research using reliable sources to form a knowledgeable decision over using a circular fallacy reason mixed with grasping at straws for justification.
I just want people to make sound decisions, nothing more.

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you got a point I agree, but I need more time because I am a marketer and not a virologist like you said, and I know you understood my point, as you seem to understand business well with your claims to work with very big guys, you know that some people take business decisions with more time to assess if it is a good decision or not to take a product. I am in this category, not an antivax "pfizer cancer, vaccine poison" guy but someone who takes his time when an important decision must be made, especially if the business had to deal with things like that (with my researches I found this):



https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/pfizer/
And it's not like buying a coke like I previously mentioned, it's about something that will stick in my body forever.


My point of view will change if the product is not judge as less effective that it is announced now and if people don't announce some crazy side effects. Thanks for the discussion, I know you understood my point and replied with calm and good argumentation

adalbertmgrm said:

It's not hate. Free speech...

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who cares...

3 things:

1) This thread has 120 comments (so far). I wish there was that much attention for money making methods threads....

2) This member notably only makes this kind of thread. Have the mods issued a position yet? I've seen people getting "warming" for much less. The guy is literally only here to create controversies and beg for attention.

3) Today is Saturday, enjoy your lives better instead of wasting time with internet baits and trolls...