Is Elon Musk a scammer?

Hah, i'm not saying Elon is a scammer because there is no market for space voyage, i'm calling him scammer because his vision of space colony is impossible, and he's selling this dream to influence the youth and create his own follower cult, which then he uses to profit from other projects.
Why do you think (his view of) space coloniasm is impossible? And what qualifies you to be smarter then all the renowned scientists talking about inhibitating Mars in the future?
Also he is one of few people talking about future and vision, not like most other people who are spreading an apocalyptic mindset.
 
Hah, i'm not saying Elon is a scammer because there is no market for space voyage, i'm calling him scammer because his vision of space colony is impossible, and he's selling this dream to influence the youth and create his own follower cult, which then he uses to profit from other projects.
yeah base on your limited prescriptive and understanding it's impossible but not everyone is narrow minded as you. I bet if you live in Galileo's timeline I guess your the one of people who want's him dead because you can't comprehend what the fuck he's talking about.
 
yeah base on your limited prescriptive and understanding it's impossible but not everyone is narrow minded as you. I bet if you live in Galileo's timeline I guess your the one of people who want's him dead because you can't comprehend what the fuck he's talking about.

I'm saying it's impossible in the near-future, as stated initially, no one can tell what's going to happen in the mid or far future.

Main reason is, as i've stated many times, no one would want to live there, and no one has to live there to exploit the Martian resources, it can be automated or done remotely from Earth using Artificial Intelligence.

And since no one would actually want to live there, and anyone who's sent would look for a way to go back, or kill himself, and there is no scientific or economic gain to be from a human colony on Mars, it's an impossibility.

And Galileo was a scientist, a man telling the world about a fact which he scientifically proven, not a rich man like Musk selling dreams to people.
 
@davidma what do you consider the near future, and who are you to say as a fact, that people want or don't want to live on and build up a earth like base on mars?
Also do you have scientific papers or resources on how one could mine marsian resources with A.I.?
 
Why do you think (his view of) space coloniasm is impossible? And what qualifies you to be smarter then all the renowned scientists talking about inhibitating Mars in the future?
Also he is one of few people talking about future and vision, not like most other people who are spreading an apocalyptic mindset.

Money dictates what science can do, and it just wouldn't be feasible to create a colony on mars within the next few decades.
 
I'm saying it's impossible in the near-future, as stated initially, no one can tell what's going to happen in the mid or far future.

Main reason is, as i've stated many times, no one would want to live there, and no one has to live there to exploit the Martian resources, it can be automated or done remotely from Earth using Artificial Intelligence.

And since no one would actually want to live there, and anyone who's sent would look for a way to go back, or kill himself, and there is no scientific or economic gain to be from a human colony on Mars, it's an impossibility.

And Galileo was a scientist, a man telling the world about a fact which he scientifically proven, not a rich man like Musk selling dreams to people.
we don't have advance A.I yet if humanity really want to have a future civilization on mars,moon etc,, someone needs to be there to call the shots A.I still in infant stage I don't see you mentioning near future or "not yet possible" what so ever what I see the word you type "impossible" you seem don't get What I just said it's hopeless for someone like you I think you just creating thread with hot topics to increase your post count haha I do that shit on reddit most of the time lol
 
In some 1000 years, physicists say, that there will be huge natural disaster, whiping out billions, then why not have Mars as a backup-plan? And if we want some standard of living on Mars, we should begin as quickly as possible.
I don't see the point of living in a place where I can't even go outside and breathe fresh air. But I guess you and I are different :)

Also; when will people stop believing people just because "insert title here" said so? If I'm a scientist I can say everyone will die in a year, and people will believe me just because of my title. Pfft.
 
@davidma what do you consider the near future, and who are you to say as a fact, that people want or don't want to live on and build up a earth like base on mars?
Also do you have scientific papers or resources on how one could mine marsian resources with A.I.?

Near future = Next 80 years, untill the 22nd century.

Using AI for mining would be the easiets part. Making mining operations profitable is the difficult part, market price of raw materials should cover the transporting cost of machines and goods between Mars and Earth, this is the only way.
 
we don't have advance A.I yet if humanity really want to have a future civilization on mars,moon etc,, someone needs to be there to call the shots A.I still in infant stage I don't see you mentioning near future or "not yet possible" what so ever what I see the word you type "impossible" you seem don't get What I just said it's hopeless for someone like you I think you just creating thread with hot topics to increase your post count haha I do that shit on reddit most of the time lol

Unlike colony on Mars, which only Elon Musk talks about its possibility, the entire scientific community predicts that in the next 50 years we will have AI superior to human intelligence.
 
Unlike colony on Mars, which only Elon Musk talks about its possibility, the entire scientific community predicts that in the next 50 years we will have AI superior to human intelligence.
It's maybe not so present in popular science, but Terraforming and coloniazation of Mars has been a widely researched field for the last 30 years.
 
yeah spend like 10 billion but in return bill gates earn a more than 200+ billion by selling vaccine mostly go to bill & Melinda foundation those vaccine ain't free what free is research and developing like what normal company do such phizer and moderna and they sell those vaccine to afracian government.
10 billion is nothing compare to he's overall wealth while elon betting he's entire fortune for a company that may or may-not work. most of them solving problem that are in the long term or for unforeseen future. that humanity might face. but betting all you have for the sake of the greater good is something that more admirable concept of majority of people, vs other billionaire that pledge some of there fortune for something but in the process earn more that sound kinda scam I think Mark zuckerberg doing same shit that's why people don't like other billionaire being sneaky don't empress people.
Sure bro...
https://www.financialexpress.com/in...founder-explains-math-behind-returns/2092891/:)
 
It's maybe not so present in popular science, but Terraforming and coloniazation of Mars has been a widely researched field for the last 30 years.
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In the study, NASA examined how much carbon dioxide the planet's soil and minerals contain, but still found the amount released would be far too small to terraform the planet to the degree needed to support life.

"Terraforming Mars using the planet’s known CO2 will thus need technologies well beyond our current grasp. Any such efforts have to be very far into the future," the study concluded."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/08/01/mars-terraform-nasa-elon-musk/878404002/
 
well I explain why people seems to dislike bill gates and other billionaire and I See that article before there is no point throw random article or link here I personally like bill gates I remember being a keyboard warrior on youtube about steve jobs vs bill gates in my college days lol but the fact is most people dislike them because of what I mention above.

He isn't talking about personal wealth, but the wealth that a society gains when there is investment in healthcare.
 
well I explain why people seems to dislike bill gates and other billionaire and I See that article before there is no point throw random article or link here I personally like bill gates I remember being a keyboard warrior on youtube about steve jobs vs bill gates in my college days lol but the fact is most people dislike them because of what I mention above.
That random link just proves that you were wrong about the $200 million fake news. I recommend you to read Bill Gates foundation articles BEFORE the COVID madness.
Elon is a great business man, Gates is in the next stage. That stage could be evil, but I strongly doubt it.
 
Unlike colony on Mars, which only Elon Musk talks about its possibility, the entire scientific community predicts that in the next 50 years we will have AI superior to human intelligence.
yeah but 50 years might have different environment than now but that's overly optimistic I remember people from 1960 explaining how year 2000 with be filled with flying car and shit like utopia my point is let the people who do what they want if they think it's posible if you think it's not then atleast don't discourage them. I personally won't go to mars even if there is existing colony already I also agree just used robots and do mining used that resource maybe create floating cities here on earth use A.I to clean the ocean and create subterranean colony but to make it posible someone need to set the trend like going to space or it won't progress. government won't do it they aren't design to do stuff like that most of the time history proven that government suppress innovation.
 
yeah but why people dislike him so I'm wrong? :D I'm explaining why he's hated regardless if it's fake news or what not I'm sure he have some what leverage by doing that my point is he's dislike by most like you mention in your original post. but I personally like billgates I'm explaining why he seems to be dislike. and all those information are under-table no one can really verified anything. that's why he's being dislike. if he's just more transparent I'm sure public option will change but I don't see it comming but he's already admire by lots of people.

I think is he is transparent enough. You can find a lot info about what they were doing during the last years.

The reasons why Gates is not so popular are multiple, Windows has never been popular, he is trying to save lifes of the poor people, that does not matter a shit in 2021, it´s is better to make giant robots, send trash sats to the space or dream about conquering the universe. Meanwhile, a stupid virus is killing us because we do not know the basics of how our own body works.

My point is that you need one thing to be a human hero: humanity. I saw that in Gates, still never seen it in Musk. I still remember him one year ago tweeting about how people should go out of their houses and make normal life with COVID. Anyway, Elon mistakes are easily forgotten. :)

Bill gates gets a blue screen? stupid forever... Elon breaks an unbreakable glass? marketing genious, he did on purpose... think on it, it is dumb.
 
I think is he is transparent enough. You can find a lot info about what they were doing during the last years.

The reasons why Gates is not so popular are multiple, Windows has never been popular, he is trying to save lifes of the poor people, that does not matter a shit in 2021, it´s is better to make giant robots, send trash sats to the space or dream about conquering the universe. Meanwhile, a stupid virus is killing us because we do not know the basics of how our own body works.

My point is that you need one thing to be a human hero: humanity. I saw that in Gates, still never seen it in Musk. I still remember him one year ago tweeting about how people should go out of their houses and make normal life with COVID. Anyway, Elon mistakes are easily forgotten. :)

Bill gates gets a blue screen? stupid forever... Elon breaks an unbreakable glass? marketing genious, he did on purpose... think on it, it is dumb.
I don't discrediting bill gates or anything I think you misunderstand everything I said. it's not that I'm from team elon or you are from team gates haha I'm explaining why Elon musk is likable compare to bill gates. the way I understand your first post is you dislike how elon musk is more likable than bill-gates despite what he does I just explain "why" people don't like him compare to musk it's not attack for bill gates I personally like him and there is no need to attack me personally since this is a debate anyway maybe it's your reading comprehension I'm pretty much aware what bill gates has done and I'm one of people who like bill gates just stating the facts why elon is more likable than gates dispite what he's been done.
 
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