Scammed by Royserpa for $800

[John Nubba]

the scammer from earnbits.co waiting you in chat

 

[jamie3000]

Who do we think is going to be the first not involved person to comment on the Shit List and get told off by the mods!? haha

I don't know how the mods do the Shit List stuff, it would drive me MAD. All that arguing and scamming. I've got to give it to them, they do a great job.

 

[Psh]

You and @t0mmy do that because you both are top-notch businessmen and true gentlemen. It's a rare and dying breed nowadays unfortunately.

As for the thread, I just hope that Roy doesn't turn into an Elliot305 2.0 in the near future. Refund that fellow and get done with it, don't attract more suspicion for an already very suspicious method as it seems so far.

Ahh yes, Elliot365 was actually one of the members I was talking about in my previous message in this thread. Wtf happened to that guy? I still can't fathom it.

 

[paydette]

The method is fraud even without the CC stuff.

I clearly said it was illegal. Are we going to pretend that blackhat methods (not the ones on this site...but true blackhat methods) arent illegal/fraud ?

 

[Fresh Ideas Marketing]

Yes so half refund and everyone are happy

If OP will be traced getting back with new account he will be banned, before or after refund BHW's god knows.

 

[Ozzyzig]

Holy shit that sounds amazing. I bought it for my PS4 but never actually played it, I gotta get on that. Are you playing on PC or console?

Haha yeah man this thread be poppin' off!

I'm playing the 2016 version on PC. My laptop can't run the new one though. If notifications were £10 notes, I'd be able to buy an Aston Martin in no time at all.

I can see appreciate that @royserpa is asleep just now, but I hope that his nap gives him the common sense to refund the OP so this can all be done with.

I clearly said it was illegal. Are we going to pretend that blackhat methods (not the ones on this site...but true blackhat methods) arent illegal/fraud ?

If we're strictly talking about Blackhat SEO, then I wouldn't class these as fraud, however, I know what you mean about methods elsewhere on the interweb.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

I clearly said it was illegal. Are we going to pretend that blackhat methods (not the ones on this site...but true blackhat methods) arent illegal/fraud ?

I'm not going to pretend anything.

I compartmentalize things and this is fraud.

This thread is about a particular situation and I'm commenting on this situation.

What goes on in different sites is really not anything of my concern as I'm not charged to aid the members or the community on those other sites.

 

[paydette]

IMO, the difference is that OP's choice is to either lose money or commit crimes and risk jail time. That's not a fair choice to inflict on people and the reason that it's different to a "stupid tax" where the method is BH but not illegal.

OP doesn't have a choice, he's obviously not going to want to commit financial crimes so he has to accept losing $800 - which is not a small amount of money, even if some people say it is.

I think that wanting a refund, even after knowing the method fully, is fair enough and way different in this situation than normal - because the method is essentially saying "you will commit crimes". If you can't expect a refund after finding out the method is a criminal act, when can you?

When I see "Blackhat", i assume there's a chance i lose something. The more blackhat it is, the larger my loss can be.

Buy insta accounts to feed your main account and you can lose all the accounts. Run a movie site and you can get sued. Skim credit cards and you can go to jail.

Yes... various degrees of loss. Like I said, OP found out it was too much for him to handle.

We also keep talking about how the seller broke rules... the OP chose to engage through the sale. He's not innocent in this at all. He sought out the seller, misunderstood what blackhat could actually mean, paid to learn about the method, learned about it, decided it wasnt for him.

You can't buy a drink, open it, drink it, decide it isnt for you and then request a refund...

Well, you can but no one is obligated to refund you.

 

[Deleted member 1333509]

Yes so half refund and everyone are happy

Why are you negotiating on behalf of Roy? You seem to understand his frame of mind pretty well.

Nuts.

I was going to ask but didn't want to be rude.

We also keep talking about how the seller broke rules... the OP chose to engage through the sale. He's not innocent in this at all.

Agreed.

 

[Fresh Ideas Marketing]

I clearly said it was illegal. Are we going to pretend that blackhat methods (not the ones on this site...but true blackhat methods) arent illegal/fraud ?

I agree with you, may be I lack in knowledge but using/selling fake id cards, social media accounts, email accounts can be considered as illegal and fraud. A guy sells forged document SSN, Passport and many photoshoped stuffs they can also come under fraud.

Note: pardon me for nonsencical English.

 

[paydette]

Does that include for illegal activities too?


I haven't had a chance to look at this as yet, but first impressions are;


So the guy gets offered an illegal fraudulent method and buys it.
He then decides it's not good enough so wants a refund



Is that not like buying stolen goods, not been impressed with the items and threatening to go to the police or take legal action against the thief for misrepresentation?

Exactly... except he wasnt offered. He sought after it.

 

[Ozzyzig]

We also keep talking about how the seller broke rules... the OP chose to engage through the sale. He's not innocent in this at all.

You're right, he broke the rules. Him breaking the rules also shouldn't mean that he's getting money stolen from him. Nor should him breaking the rules mean that he's given a method that is straight up stealing from others. What fucks me off is that with the pandemic going on, people are already stuggling with money and turning to credit cards. The bullshit that @royserpa has put into this 'method' is going to impact innocent people that could very well already be in financial hardship. Just now, people are so dependent on credit cards and they don't deserve to be ripped off by some wannabe Jordan Belfort. It can take a long time to file a fraud case on a credit card. It doesn't matter if it's only a few bucks, that have been stolen.

 

[Gogol]

I agree with you, may be I lack in knowledge but using/selling fake id cards, social media accounts, email accounts can be considered as illegal and fraud. A guy sells forged document SSN, Passport and many photoshoped stuffs they can also come under fraud.

I have reported a couple of threads selling fake ids or asking for the same, and they were taken down very soon by the mod. It IS against the terms here afaik.

 

[Zakhej]

Why are you negotiating on behalf of Roy? You seem to understand his frame of mind pretty well.


I was going to ask but didn't want to be rude.


Agreed.

I am not defending him i am defending his 800$ he earned.

 

[paydette]

I'm not going to pretend anything.

I compartmentalize things and this is fraud.

This thread is about a particular situation and I'm commenting on this situation.

What goes on in different sites is really not anything of my concern as I'm not charged to aid the members or the community on those other sites.

This didnt happen on the site though. The OP sought out something the seller was selling off site.

The seller should be dinged for advertising inappropriately... perhaps the buyer should be dinged for initiating an offsite purchase, I dont know.

The details of the sale and refund discussion is no business of BHW. The site will be opened up to a lot of issues if offsite transactions are now game for the shit list.

We are ALL warned not to engage in sales off site bc it means bhw offers no protection. I'm not sure when that warning changed.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

This didnt happen on the site though. The OP sought out something the seller was selling off site.

The seller should be dinged for advertising inappropriately... perhaps the buyer should be dinged for initiating an offsite purchase, I dont know.

The details of the sale and refund discussion is no business of BHW. The site will be opened up to a lot of issues if offsite transactions are now game for the shit list.

We are ALL warned not to engage in sales off site bc it means bhw offers no protection. I'm not sure when that warning changed.

You asked me about other sites - I stated I don't deal with stuff on other sites.

I said I was only commenting on this situation.

I did not say I was acting on it.

Huge difference.

 

[Elvlin]

What i learned from this thread, be glad there is SL in BHW.
main problem:
Op want refund , because Royserva still sent him pdf, even thought he already said to cancel the product

what disscused:
Roy serva is bad character.
is the method really scam?
than op share ss proving that it's scummy method, so it's right for him to cancel purchase.
Roy said the method is earning money, and it's not scummy
Op is bad to purchase the method,knowing it's rejected the op
another ss from op
than back to disscuss Roy method
decided roy method is scummy
Op open SL
Op and roy suspected have multiple acc etc
than the disscusion is about playing doom.

In my opinion outside the method is scam, this trade happen outside BHW, should not be Bhw responsibility to settle it. They are nice enough to intervent. Or it's Op plan to force BHW to intervene? either way if the Method sold is what disccused, than this is identity Theft(no wonder it's rejected), pretending to be someone to do something, withoud appropiate permisssion. that is not Black hat.btw better to just continue in SL, where the main problem is disscused and settled, not blow out and become other subject.

 

[Deleted member 1333509]

I am not defending him i am defending his 800$ he earned.

Right, it just seemed like you were saying that he wouldn't accept 100% refund, but would accept 50% refund, and that if people try to make him refund 100% he will just create another account here on BHW and won't pay. Was just wondering how you could possibly know that. I guess it's more important to hear what he has to say in the SL.

 

[Zakhej]

Like chess after you touch the figure there is no undo!

 

[Zakhej]

Right, it just seemed like you were saying that he wouldn't accept 100% refund, but would accept 50% refund, and that if people try to make him refund 100% he will just create another account here on BHW and won't pay. Was just wondering how you could possibly know that. I guess it's more important to hear what he has to say in the SL.

I am just telling possible solutions.