Scammed by Royserpa for $800

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royserpa said:
I totally agree, man. But just for mods to see its nt about carding (what OP alleges)



In a very overall sense, its about lead arbitrage. Cant talk more about it as its against bhw rules.
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I will independently vet the method...for shits and giggles and the well being of the forum
 
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Doobspelon said:
Let's rewind:
1. Op claims royserpa charged him for a cc fraud method which he wasnt willing to buy.
2. Roy denies claiming that op clearly knew what he was going into. His commitment was final.
3. Op outs Roy's skype chats to clear the air.
4. People start shouting. Roy leaves to sleep in his van.
5. In the meanwhile, it is found out that op has multiple accounts probably.
6. Roy also have some.
7. Waiting for next season
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lmao, I cracked up
 
Phalaenopsis said:
Being so very, very touchy over being accused of being an alt isn't doing you any favours on the 'convincing people you're not an alt' front

The man's a credit card scam artist by his own admission, check the screen shots!
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So, mods will ban him who cares.
But, op also looks a previously banned member.

There are many secrets on BHW. That can't ever be discovered.
 
JonasGreyHound said:
I have not lied. He told me to collect credit card info and use it to sign up on CPA offers.

Also I did NOT know exactly what I was buying as he claimed.
And I asked for a refund BEFORE he delivered. When he shared more details about what it was about (after I paid).
Screenshot about using credit card info on CPA offers: http://prntscr.com/s7xjh1
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This seems like a misunderstanding to me. Basically the method is taking peoples info and signing them up for offers.... the info you take can range from just contact info to credit card info. From the screenshot, it doesn't seem like the method is cc dependent. I'd also be curious of the next screenshot as that would shed light on his response to your hesitation
 
JonasGreyHound said:
When I understood more about what you were selling (which you only explained after I paid) I asked for a refund. I hadn't received your ebook+youtube video and method there. Why didn't you refund me there? Instead you proceeded to send me the PDF and video and then telling me you cannot refund me because I cannot "unsee" your method.
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Probably bc you already had the method essentially... not that complicated. He explained everything and what was remaining was just detailed instructions. I wouldnt have refunded you.

And is is $81 or $800??
 
Vizla said:
This is how I see it. Just to say, I don't give a fuck if OP gets a refund or not, and also, I don't give a fuck how this thread will affect the reputation of @royserpa.

OP saw that @royserpa was talking about his method and how it's awesome, but for some reason, it's not allowed to be sold here on bhw. However, OP reached out to him and asked questions about it and only after that he bought it for 0.1 btc. Why the fuck would you buy something that is clearly blackhat if you don't want to work on it and later cry for a refund? Why?

I mean, logic tells me that if it's not allowed on blackhat forum, then it's clearly 'more' blackhat than it should be to go public. And if you after knowing all of this buy it, and later asks for a refund because it's not what you expected, then you are the stupid one.

It's up to you, either you want to do blackhat shit or not.
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Exactly! The seller broke rules but the buyer knew what he was doing as well!
 
paydette said:
This seems like a misunderstanding to me. Basically the method is taking peoples info and signing them up for offers.... the info you take can range from just contact info to credit card info. From the screenshot, it doesn't seem like the method is cc dependent. I'd also be curious of the next screenshot as that would shed light on his response to your hesitation
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I guess, it will not be shared publicaly
 
paydette said:
This seems like a misunderstanding to me. Basically the method is taking peoples info and signing them up for offers.... the info you take can range from just contact info to credit card info. From the screenshot, it doesn't seem like the method is cc dependent. I'd also be curious of the next screenshot as that would shed light on his response to your hesitation
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Either way

- If it is cc info --> Offer without consent --> Scam
- Or it is (what I have seen a lot), just a Coreg 2.0 version, so basic shit fluffed up to make it seem like a "method"...


Realize a couple of mods already said it is a no go for BHW, so PMing about selling git on another Site is just foolish. The thread for the real BH section was just a bait fo get these PMs

t0mmy said:
So the OP is telling lies? Your method doesn’t involve taking people’s CC details and using them without their knowledge to sign them up to cpa offers?

@OP: can you confirm please, have you lied? What’s going on here.

Based on your past performance Roy and how you carry yourself I’m inclined to believe the OP tbh.. perhaps I’m wrong, I doubt it though.

@OP: you own the method now as you’ve paid for it and he’s refusing a refund.. post it all public, let’s see what’s really been going on.


“lead arbitrage” - lol cmon Roy, that sounds like the same shit to me with a fancy name, you do realize even holding clients CC info like that is illegal right?
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I'd say it is either carding, or some BS coreg 2.0 (so dated as fuck)...I'd assume just collect their info and run a JS to submit their info in a hidden form to other offers etc...

My perception too.Looking at some old stuff it is borderline scam..
 
The method, according to the Skype chat I read, is straight up fraud.

Even without the CC fraud the method is fraud.

I know that sometimes people pull that sort of thing but it is clearly fraud and should the revenue source find out you'll lose any money in waiting.
 
JonasGreyHound said:
So, on monday 27 april I saw this thread by Royserpa:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a-real-blackhat-methods-section.1225997/
Where he was talking about a blackhat method to increase CPA sales. I was curious about it and therefore sent him a PM...
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You paid $ 800 for curiosity, since you Method is revealed you dont like it you want refund.. just like a gambling you know you will lose but you go all the way ...

like you said the dealer i want refund and at same time putting my all chips on table... and ask refund later on...
 
VSYNC said:
Even taking people's personal details and signing them up for shit though... yeah it's not credit card fraud, but damn it's still not legal. It's fraud and/or identity theft technically.
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Totally agree! And that's why it wasn't sold on this forum as a method.

But blackhat is blackhat is illegal... op wanted to buy a blackhat method and changed his mind once he found out the method was too blackhat for him. OP didn't know what he was getting into. This is what I call a learning experience/stupid tax. He will NEVER make this mistake again.

OP paid his stupid tax and should move on. I've paid for perfectly good ebooks that were literally useless to me... I've also paid for bad ebooks and never asked for a refund bc I should have known better. I never asked for a refund. $800 is a lot of money though. So, I understand why he has chosen to pursue a refund.

@royserpa repackaged a well known (truly) blackhat method, found a willing sucker and made money. He did what blackhatters do...

I also like how everyone is ignoring @royserpa 's screenshot that CLEARLY shows he said not to/he didnt need to include cc info
 
bartosimpsonio said:
Well the fact this thread isn't a shitlist tells me OP doesn't really think it's 100% fraud.

Amirite?

If it were 100% scam, it'd be on the SL for sure.

So there's that.
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It wasn't a shitlist to begin with because the transaction didn't happen on BHW. It was off-site. OP didn't buy a service listed on the marketplace. However, Damien suggested he open a SL if he wants to.
 
I just saw this thread a lot of idiotic accounts favoring buyer with nonsensical arguments even when it was not a CC fraud.
 
VSYNC said:
Even taking people's personal details and signing them up for shit though... yeah it's not credit card fraud, but damn it's still not legal. It's fraud and/or identity theft technically.
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....all email marketers who buy lists quietly step backwards and avoid eye contact...:anyway::rolleyes::oops:

We should probably remove all scraping services on the site....
 
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