saurabhunde
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I have got 100k quaterly visitors to my site with $5 fiverr tier 1 pbn links. You just need to understand how to use them.
Cheap PBN links are useless
- Thread starter assaultclass
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In the interest of full disclosure.
This is what happened, folks.
On my domain shop I had a domain listed that I'd sold at auction. Complete mistake. I launched the service and forgot to remove that domain. It was actually sold in September. For whatever reason the person who bought it put a blog up with "pbn" in the title. They maybe were using it as an example of a pbn domain. I don't know.
Anyway.. Not a big deal. If someone bought it I'd have just refunded since I didn't own the domain.
kz3ro insisted I was a scammy seller, selling "unclean" domains. He wasn't even a buyer. I explained the situation to him, and he replied with weird things in pm. Eventually in pm he just started sending "REEEEEEEEEE".
So, kz3ro. If you insist on attacking my services, please at least be truthful. I could paste screenshots, but no one cares.
Also, your account is weird. Active in 2011, then nothing for 8 years and suddenly you're posting abuse all over the forum? Hacked/Sold account maybe? I've reported you anyway.
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Just out of curiosity. Did your PBN provider user Gmail? (Edit: Or google docs for link reports? Something like that?)
assaultclass
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Yes, they all sent reports via gmail
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I've been trying to warn folks about this for years. For years everyone insists it's ok.
When I see a sales thread using Gmail I immediately close it.
Also before I buy anything, I ask if the seller will send reports by Gmail or anything like that. If they do, I don't buy.
Just my 2 cents for others to avoid getting penalized.
assaultclass
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I take it that this applies to buying any type of link, not just PBNs?
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Any type of SEO service, especially blackhat.
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Common
There is being reasonably cautious, and there is being batshit crazy paranoid. Even if Google wanted to read your gmails/google docs, the sheer amounts of both makes that hardly doable. AI or filters wont help you much when you have 5M gmails with "seo" and "reports" in them every day. Also just by looking at the SERPs is pretty damn clear that Google doesn't manage to handle the OBVIOUS black hat shit, let alone to screen your private correspondence, that can lead to 10 billion EUR fine and destroy any credibility they have with the general public.
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Common
Always the same reply.
"Google can't search all that data"
OK then!
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Fancy doing experiment? Me and you will exchange gmails about PBNs, SEO reports, buying and selling links and mentioning 2 specific sites of mine.
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I have personal proof of what I'm saying. I've tested this before most here got into this business.
TheVigilante
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https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/google-products-and-the-black-hat-seo.821815/
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That thread is one huge honeypot.
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While I won't talk about how I know this, because I gave someone my word I wouldn't publicize it (I could get sued), I can give you practical examples.
There have been entire networks sold here on BHW, three big ones that I can remember from recent years, that had 100% of its sites taken down at once.
Two used Gmail and Google Docs for delivery, the 3rd one I don't know how they got caught.
In both cases Google took down not only the PBN but also all the customers who bought links.
I was an early customer in one of these networks but after the site took off I took the link down. It was a $300 / month link so after it got up, I invested the 300 in content.
About one year later, when I no longer have links on any PBN networks, my site gets a manual penalty.
How do you think they got to my site?
That's just one example.
This is not the proof I'm talking about. The big case where I got definitive proof is something much much more complicated than this and I can't talk about it.
There have been entire networks sold here on BHW, three big ones that I can remember from recent years, that had 100% of its sites taken down at once.
Two used Gmail and Google Docs for delivery, the 3rd one I don't know how they got caught.
In both cases Google took down not only the PBN but also all the customers who bought links.
I was an early customer in one of these networks but after the site took off I took the link down. It was a $300 / month link so after it got up, I invested the 300 in content.
About one year later, when I no longer have links on any PBN networks, my site gets a manual penalty.
How do you think they got to my site?
That's just one example.
This is not the proof I'm talking about. The big case where I got definitive proof is something much much more complicated than this and I can't talk about it.
thiassi
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Yes, there (probably) has been no penalties as a direct result of using Gmail, gDocs, etc.
That is not the point.
The point is: when you eventually get a manual review (and you will in any moderately competitive space), the manual reviewers can easily find associated Gmail accounts, etc, and then they can simply search for evidence of websites you own, links bought, etc, etc.
Simply put: why the fuck would you put all your eggs in one basket? You just make life easier for Google manual reviews.
If you're not wearing a tinfoil hat in this game then you don't have enough to lose. Those of us that do have much to lose will take necessary precautions.
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Seriously, if you have proofs that Google accessed and used data from gmail/google docs you can send those to EU commission they will gladly slap G with 10-15B fine. The networks that got hit are run by idiots, its simple as that - no common sense, no simple logical thinking. I see it here again, and again and again. And the things that they get away it? Dozens of PBNs on the same IPs, linking to the same websites and takes months and years before getting penalized. Its ridiculous.
TheVigilante
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The funny thing is blackhatters shudnt care about all this and we always adapt but still good to be safe
thiassi
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This is bullshit.
There's no punishment for Google accessing your Gmail, docs. It's their fucking business and you signed any "rights" away with their ToS.