Do you think Billionaires should exist?

[BlueSnow]

Whad'ya mean? People are getting more and more ridiculous. How is this even a question.
If someone manages to mine asteroid, he or she might become the first trillionaire. He or she
is getting paid for his or her work.

Your wealth is the most visible indicator of how much work you have done, how much you have
impact on the people and the world around you, how much you have contributed to the economy, to
the society, to the world.

By some people's logic here, you shouldn't live this long, you shouldn't grow physically just because you can. Do you know
how much resources you are consuming by your continuous living? It could be use for these little babies and
kids, future babies. Many of these babies and kids don't have proper foods and living conditions. Shouldn't you give up
yours?

So, then should you just die now?

Lets say you are that trillionaire.

How would you spend your money?

You can just choose to become a millionaire and spend big money on humanitarian purposes and literally the same lifestyle, or you can hold your money, let it root, let sick people die, let poor people be hungry, but hey you are a zillionaire.

 

[dr4goncl5ws]

I don't think it's anyone's business to tell someone else how much money they can or cannot have.

 

[Titanlord]

Lets say you are that trillionaire.

How would you spend your money?

You can just choose to become a millionaire and spend big money on humanitarian purposes and literally the same lifestyle, or you can hold your money, let it root, let sick people die, let poor people be hungry, but hey you are a zillionaire.

i would probably buy the moon why would you even think if they pay more tax poor people's problems will be solved? you do realize tax money goes to govt rite? you trust govt to help the poor? dude, when you have a 21 trillion $ economy and still, have failing education system and people not have anything to eat maybe its not the billionaires that are the problem, you think a couple of billion more will help change the world? you do know that billionaires have assets that are worth 100s of millions and billions, they dont keep cash lets say you are a billionaire and your net worth is 10 billion and you make 100 mil a year in profit, lets be real only a dumbass would keep that money in a bank instead of investing it back to make more money, most billionaires will have very little money in bank and always use credit instead of cash, how would you tax people like these? its easy to not pay tax in business you just invest it back and you dont have to pay tax, you think they should not be allowed to invest coz they are billioniar? well they are stimulating the market creating employment and keep the wheels that called capatilism roaling, you think its better if they stop investing and just give the money to govt? billionaires make lot of money coz they know how to leverage credit and make more money, i think you think that these guys are taking all the money and hoarding it in bank, money is not a physical product they are not collecting all the money for themselves. its not pokemon they want more money but they are not trying to call them all, please tell me why the billionaires are at fault when they only have few million in their bank and why it isent the govt fault who has 21 trillion gdp?

 

[BlueSnow]

i would probably buy the moon why would you even think if they pay more tax poor people's problems will be solved? you do realize tax money goes to govt rite? you trust govt to help the poor? dude, when you have a 21 trillion $ economy and still, have failing education system and people not have anything to eat maybe its not the billionaires that are the problem, you think a couple of billion more will help change the world? you do know that billionaires have assets that are worth 100s of millions and billions, they dont keep cash lets say you are a billionaire and your net worth is 10 billion and you make 100 mil a year in profit, lets be real only a dumbass would keep that money in a bank instead of investing it back to make more money, most billionaires will have very little money in bank and always use credit instead of cash, how would you tax people like these? its easy to not pay tax in business you just invest it back and you dont have to pay tax, you think they should not be allowed to invest coz they are billioniar? well they are stimulating the market creating employment and keep the wheels that called capatilism roaling, you think its better if they stop investing and just give the money to govt? billionaires make lot of money coz they know how to leverage credit and make more money, i think you think that these guys are taking all the money and hoarding it in bank, money is not a physical product they are not collecting all the money for themselves. its not pokemon they want more money but they are not trying to call them all, please tell me why the billionaires are at fault when they only have few million in their bank and why it isent the govt fault who has 21 trillion gdp?

Where are the words government and tax in my post?
Governments are bunch of corrupted idiots and all over the world is the same. Who even care about them? They are slaves. Every government is put on their position by more powerful people.
If your concern is the government then by all means be zillioner please. But why we do you need the government to help poor and hungry? Why do you need government to buy toys, books or computers for in the children in poor countries? Oh, maybe you think owning the moon will make you feel better than helping lets say few million people to suffer less? Think again. Because if you know what it feels like to help just one man to suffer less because of your action, you will know the answer to the question do this planet need billioners. Yes, if they are stupid enough.

You don't want to have a lot of money just for the sake of it. Think through why do you want to be rich, what kind of feelings you want to buy and you will be surprised. You actually don't need a lot of money to achieve that same emotional state. You just need to better know yourself.

 

[GenesisOne]

Most billionaires are awesome!

• They create jobs for people, so that they can sell their stuff (Amazon, google, alibaba)
• They have visions (yeah they keep changing, like bill gates helped eradicate polio where ever he could)
• Their companies drive national economy
• They are mostly humble people (deserve to be on the top)
• They have goals too! Maybe they want to push their company to be the biggest in the world and that's what makes them happy? Not everyone loves to do charity all the time but sources say that most do charities whenever they could.

I don't know why most people think billionaires should not have goals and aspirations in life. Money is not everything, I am sure Warren buffet will never be able to spend all his money before he dies but he still doesn't waste money. I don't know but I think that's what makes him happy.

It's not the money which makes him happy but the growth of it?

That's not where societies must be heading.
Information should be available for FREE so everyone can benefit from it.
The thought "company" is an outdated way of thinking, there's just one path for all of us if we are to overcome huge challenges as a COLLECTIVE coming our way quite fast.
Well intended leaders are welcome with no special reward but self satisfaction/realization.
Our ego billionaire fantasies are going to be put to test pretty soon as there will be no money to buy us a new planet to spare.
.

 

[geek8]

And what happens when you go from millions to billions. Does it lead to peace and satisfaction?

www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/style/rich-people-things.html

It depends on your destination for success !!

 

[Titanlord]

Where are the words government and tax in my post?
Governments are bunch of corrupted idiots and all over the world is the same. Who even care about them? They are slaves. Every government is put on their position by more powerful people.
If your concern is the government then by all means be zillioner please. But why we do you need the government to help poor and hungry? Why do you need government to buy toys, books or computers for in the children in poor countries? Oh, maybe you think owning the moon will make you feel better than helping lets say few million people to suffer less? Think again. Because if you know what it feels like to help just one man to suffer less because of your action, you will know the answer to the question do this planet need billioners. Yes, if they are stupid enough.

You don't want to have a lot of money just for the sake of it. Think through why do you want to be rich, what kind of feelings you want to buy and you will be surprised. You actually don't need a lot of money to achieve that same emotional state. You just need to better know yourself.

why is it the responsibility of a person to help millions when all the people of the land including billionaires pay taxes to the govt so they can provide basic necessities to its citizen, you are just shifting the responsibility of govt to these individuals who have impacted countless lives while their rise, and yes if i have the money and given the opportunity i would love to buy the moon and yes that would make me feel very good, and if i had purchased moon then my income in few decades would jump from a zillion to 10 -15 zillion easily, people are just blinded by other peoples net worth, most of the things you use most of the medicine, solar, wind every new tech research of several diseases and now even in carbon capture and countless more was funded by billionaires to make a profit (non billionaires invested too) them having less money will just hinder the growth in everything, you think of micro and dont really understand macro, lets take an example of My country India, this present govt wanted to help poor people so they did many things like doubling the income you need to pay tax or many other thing but also they increased the tax to the rich and coperations, thing is they believed if they just cut some slack to the poor and tax the rich more everything will even out, they though micro economic and dint look at the macro economic and the chain disatser they were casuing, what happened you ask? well foreign investment went back millions of people lost jobs, 3 million in just-auto sector and Indian GDP fell by 3% (This was not the only cause of the GDP falling) , so the rich and coperation made less money so they started firing people and in the unemployment went up and people started hoarding money instead of using it in the fear of things getting worse which let to drop in income for these corporations so they fired more people and so on and so on, people dont understand the ripple effect these things causes, and why do you think its ok for you to say what other people should do with their money? if thats the case do other people get to decide what to do with yours? all people are doing is trying to mess up the economy coz they are not educated enough to know what will happen, have you ever considered human nature in your imagination of this perfect world? Human nature is greed and exploitation humans exploit everything and anything they can even microorganism, that millions of years of evolution you cant deny evolution, well i guess you can if you are a religious nutjob lol, we are not living in a perfect world or a movie where things will go according to the plan and everything will get better, i am not expert on human behavior but i have seen the history of humanity and understand what can happen in future, these things will only make things even worse in the future, if you need to make a change you need to start doing it slowly which may take decades and in extreme cases a century or two, you cant force a change in just few years what you will be doing is just create 2 factions who hate each other and think the other side wants to destroy them, only thing this will cause is more hate and things will get even worse.

 

[10zen]

Lets say you are that trillionaire.

How would you spend your money?

You can just choose to become a millionaire and spend big money on humanitarian purposes and literally the same lifestyle, or you can hold your money, let it root, let sick people die, let poor people be hungry, but hey you are a zillionaire.

What do you think of when you think of a billionaire?
Someone with bilion dollar bills in their basement?

Most of these billionaires have all of their wealth invested in stocks and shares, invested into businesses and so on.
From these they keep generating money, by their investment the business grows, they can offer services to more
people, more people are employed.

They are helping people, they are contributing to the world.

When you say these people could just give up their wealth and help the people in need, you are assuming
they are being selfish and helping the people.

Where there are needy people, there are also rich people, rich leaders. It's their job to provide for those people
in those regions, in those part of the world. Many wealthy people donate to charity to feed these needy people,
many have established different organization to help poor people.

If you want these billionaire to just give up their billion dollar assets, then you might have to set an example first.
First become a become billionaire yourself, may be become a millionaire first. Then, you give up your wealth to donate
to these needy people. May be others will follow your example.

But once again, without a good leader in those regions, in those part of the world, people still remain poor even
if someone give donated a huge sum of money.

 

[BlueSnow]

why is it the responsibility of a person to help millions when all the people of the land including billionaires pay taxes to the govt so they can provide basic necessities to its citizen, you are just shifting the responsibility of govt to these individuals who have impacted countless lives while their rise, and yes if i have the money and given the opportunity i would love to buy the moon and yes that would make me feel very good, and if i had purchased moon then my income in few decades would jump from a zillion to 10 -15 zillion easily, people are just blinded by other peoples net worth, most of the things you use most of the medicine, solar, wind every new tech research of several diseases and now even in carbon capture and countless more was funded by billionaires to make a profit (non billionaires invested too) them having less money will just hinder the growth in everything, you think of micro and dont really understand macro, lets take an example of My country India, this present govt wanted to help poor people so they did many things like doubling the income you need to pay tax or many other thing but also they increased the tax to the rich and coperations, thing is they believed if they just cut some slack to the poor and tax the rich more everything will even out, they though micro economic and dint look at the macro economic and the chain disatser they were casuing, what happened you ask? well foreign investment went back millions of people lost jobs, 3 million in just-auto sector and Indian GDP fell by 3% (This was not the only cause of the GDP falling) , so the rich and coperation made less money so they started firing people and in the unemployment went up and people started hoarding money instead of using it in the fear of things getting worse which let to drop in income for these corporations so they fired more people and so on and so on, people dont understand the ripple effect these things causes, and why do you think its ok for you to say what other people should do with their money? if thats the case do other people get to decide what to do with yours? all people are doing is trying to mess up the economy coz they are not educated enough to know what will happen, have you ever considered human nature in your imagination of this perfect world? Human nature is greed and exploitation humans exploit everything and anything they can even microorganism, that millions of years of evolution you cant deny evolution, well i guess you can if you are a religious nutjob lol, we are not living in a perfect world or a movie where things will go according to the plan and everything will get better, i am not expert on human behavior but i have seen the history of humanity and understand what can happen in future, these things will only make things even worse in the future, if you need to make a change you need to start doing it slowly which may take decades and in extreme cases a century or two, you cant force a change in just few years what you will be doing is just create 2 factions who hate each other and think the other side wants to destroy them, only thing this will cause is more hate and things will get even worse.

1. Owning the moon will not make you happy. It will make you nore disconnected from other people and depressed.

2. Billionaires does NOT make our life easier. Thats a lie. They are supressing new discoveries to keep their profit. Why? Because they can. Because they want to own the moon. Just look at pharmaceutical mafia, but there are countless examples in literally every industry. If you have successful business one thing you don't want are the new discoveries.

 

[BlueSnow]

What do you think of when you think of a billionaire?
Someone with bilion dollar bills in their basement?

Most of these billionaires have all of their wealth invested in stocks and shares, invested into businesses and so on.
From these they keep generating money, by their investment the business grows, they can offer services to more
people, more people are employed.

They are helping people, they are contributing to the world.

When you say these people could just give up their wealth and help the people in need, you are assuming
they are being selfish and helping the people.

Where there are needy people, there are also rich people, rich leaders. It's their job to provide for those people
in those regions, in those part of the world. Many wealthy people donate to charity to feed these needy people,
many have established different organization to help poor people.

If you want these billionaire to just give up their billion dollar assets, then you might have to set an example first.
First become a become billionaire yourself, may be become a millionaire first. Then, you give up your wealth to donate
to these needy people. May be others will follow your example.

But once again, without a good leader in those regions, in those part of the world, people still remain poor even
if someone give donated a huge sum of money.

So I am not allowed to express my opinion if Im not a billionaire?

Yes, I think they should just give away their money because that will make THEM and few million people feel much better. It doesn't have to be donation to the poor.

Life is not a sport competition. You are not the happiest person in the world if you have the most money or feel most powerful. Its actually otherwise. You feel happy when you don't need money to make you happy. You are powerful when you don't need money to feel secure and confident.

If you need masses to adore you because you own the moon you need to solve some psychological issues, not to make . Its much easier.

Its very easy to fall in trap money = happiness, or fame = happiness, but thats not what rich people think. Its actually fast track to depression.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/gigi-buffon-letter-to-my-younger-self

In some psychological researches made by Dr. Jordan Peterson they actually discovered when money is the factor in happiness just in a sense that you need basic needs covered (paid bills without a hustle) to feel happy. More money than that does NOT make people more happy. It actually made them less satisfied because now they need to worry not to lose that money or business.

 

[ExperimentalSEO]

1. Owning the moon will not make you happy. It will make you nore disconnected from other people and depressed.

2. Billionaires does NOT make our life easier. Thats a lie. They are supressing new discoveries to keep their profit. Why? Because they can. Because they want to own the moon. Just look at pharmaceutical mafia, but there are countless examples in literally every industry. If you have successful business one thing you don't want are the new discoveries.

If you aren't the one that creates the new discovery you will lose out to a competitor.

 

[Titanlord]

1. Owning the moon will not make you happy. It will make you nore disconnected from other people and depressed.

2. Billionaires does NOT make our life easier. Thats a lie. They are supressing new discoveries to keep their profit. Why? Because they can. Because they want to own the moon. Just look at pharmaceutical mafia, but there are countless examples in literally every industry. If you have successful business one thing you don't want are the new discoveries.

You dont know me, owning the moon will make me VERY VERY HAPPY

and in some cases sure there is suppression but in most of the case if you are not ahead of competition your business will be eaten out, innovation is the key to stay alive to most of these businesses, example NOKIA, Blockbuster, Kodak, Toys are us, myspace, pan am, atari and so on and so on

 

[BlackGrumps]

Yes absolutely. I might be biased because I'm very capitalistic (which I think many OG BHW members also are).

But if you are a billionaire, you have undoubtedly provided a massive amount of value to the world, which I believe you should be compensated for. I'm talking about entrepreneurs here and not inheritance.

Society shouldn't be able to dictate how much one can make.

 

[BlueSnow]

If you aren't the one that creates the new discovery you will lose out to a competitor.

Sure, that proves my point that billionaires does not this planet a better place.

We have clear example with Tesla and Edison.

Tesla invented wireless electricity transmission a hundred years ago. Hid intention was to give limitless electricity to anyone who have anthena to receive it.

Edison asked him one simple question: "Where is the money in it?"

Fast forward a hundred years we are still paying for the electricity.

Do billionaires make this planet better?

Fuck no!

Pharmaceutical mafia is literally killing billions of people every day. We don't have electric car because some billioners will lose their oil business. Our food is garbage because someone is taking huge profit from it, our planet is poluted, humans as a race are on the way to extinction because some billioners wants to sell weapons and make billions they don't even need.

So do we need billioners. Isn't it obvious?

No.

 

[ExperimentalSEO]

Pharmaceutical industry is saving lives, electric cars are already here and free limitless energy is a myth. Food isn't garbage unless you want to eat garbage quality food.

 

[BlueSnow]

You dont know me, owning the moon will make me VERY VERY HAPPY

and in some cases sure there is suppression but in most of the case if you are not ahead of competition your business will be eaten out, innovation is the key to stay alive to most of these businesses, example NOKIA, Blockbuster, Kodak, Toys are us, myspace, pan am, atari and so on and so on

Ok, but tell me my friend, why do you need to own the moon to be happy. Why not now?

And if you buy the moon will you be happy? Are you sure? Because Venus is more beautiful, Jupiter is bigger, Saturn has a ring, Mars is red, Pluto is exotic and Sun is so bright.

Omg, will you ever be happy?

 

[BlueSnow]

Pharmaceutical industry is saving lives, electric cars are already here and free limitless energy is a myth. Food isn't garbage unless you want to eat garbage quality food.

Is Santa Claus alive?

 

[Alexzendra]

In an ideal world I wouldn't have a problem with it but when 26 people own as much money as 3.8 billion people in this world then this is where I start to object. I'm not anti-rich but I think there should be a limit to how much money a rich billionaire can have.

 

[Titanlord]

Ok, but tell me my friend, why do you need to own the moon to be happy. Why not now?

And if you buy the moon will you be happy? Are you sure? Because Venus is more beautiful, Jupiter is bigger, Saturn has a ring, Mars is red, Pluto is exotic and Sun is so bright.

Omg, will you ever be happy?

Owning the moon is like owning something so unique that you will forever be known as the guy who purchased a moon for thousands of years and ofc there is always massive returns when you own the moon.

And those planets are far and will take forever to travel too unlike moon and i dont like long travels there is that

 

[Titanlord]

Is Santa Claus alive?

Free energy is a lie we will have super Cheap energy but never free energy unless you go off-grid and have your own solar, wind or any other renewable energy, and Tesla free energy is a myth, the person who can create free electricity will be the richest man on our planet, he can just create energy without any cost and sell it for just $1 and when someone sells electricity for so cheap guess who will buy energy from them? everyone who is not brain dead, and the person who invented free energy will become trillionaire in few decades,
secondly even if that person decides to give free energy who will that business work? who will pay for the infrastructure? maintenance of that device that is making free energy? who will pay for those power lines? if you couldn't tell we already have free unlimited energy and we are using it, solar, wind, geothermal and hydro but the infrastructure around it cost alot and so does maintenance so we are paying for energy

Electric car what do you mean by we dont have them? which country do you live in m8t? even a country like mine India has EV and there is already a deadline to phase out ICE vehicles, by 2030 not a single vehicle thats not EV will be sold here, by 2025 only every 2 wheel vehicles will be EV

Yes i do agree some Pharma company may be against cure, its more profitable to treat and manage the disease than to cure it but like Tesla's free energy this is also a conspiracy theory too