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BHW marketplace 2.0 - thoughts.

Thanks Clarity of feedback has been an issue for a while, we're looking at ways of building a better marketplace. I've merged into the master Marketplace thread.
I don't know if it's already fixed with the new update but when all the daily spam post get deleted, it block the notification and i can't see anything after the first page https://cl.ly/6f6032 it happens everyday for months by now ( i reported few months back too )
 
Hello Diamond Damien, BHW staff and BHW members,

I am a seller of digital products for more than 3 years in few forums / websites / platforms in different ways: with payment before delivery, with payment after delivery, with escrow services and through chat for example telegram...

In BHW I am just a buyer in this moment but I am waiting to see the new MARKETPLACE and I will be a seller in the next period.

I think that I can help BHW with my vision about the new MARKETPLACE and I will write few things, but I will start with the actual problems who in my opinion must to be solved first of all.

1. JR VIP accounts for sale:
In these days any person can buy JR VIP accounts in unlimited quantity for $25. I talk about persons who aren't BHW members. This price of $25 is just for 1 account, but if a person needs many accounts, he can buy in bulk without problems and the price is less than 25$, because the discount is normal when we talk about accounts in bulk...
I know about JR VIP accounts for sale from 2015 in different russian forums!
In the actual MARKETPLACE are some JR VIP accounts who aren't used of the real owners of the accounts and they can be the next scammers.
These things are 100% real, I don't talk about scammers with BHW accounts, I talk about real sellers with real JR VIP accounts for sale.
How is possible this thing? I have the answer but without evidence I NO COMMENT.

@Diamond Damien - I can send you more details only outside of BHW through chat...

2. FAKE REVIEWS:
We have many FAKE REVIEWS and even if you will have more than 100 MODS you can't stop this thing! You can find some fake reviews, but this thing can't be stopped in actual conditions, because the MODS can't find all the fake reviews and they find just some of them!

3. THE SHIT LIST:
And "THE SHIT LIST" in some cases isn't real because it included JR VIP accounts which were not used by the real owners of the accounts.
In some situations a buyer ask for refund, the seller don't want to send the money to the buyer and he will be banned by the MODS and added to the shit list, but in the next days the same seller is again in BHW with a new "JR VIP" account back in business with a new scam method!
In this situation THE SHIT LIST will grow, the real sellers lose buyers, the buyers lose money, BHW lose members (some buyers will runn from BHW) and the money are at the scammers from the shit list!

These problems can't be solved in the actual terms and conditions of the MARKETPLACE and BHW staff must to create a NEW MARKETPLACE.

We (BHW buyers & sellers) must to understand that we need a NEW MARKETPLACE with a real and correct escrow service included and this is the unique solution!

THE SHIT LIST grow but with a NEW MARKETPLACE with escrow included this category will disappear!

The NEW MARKETPLACE will be perfect for all (BHW owners/sellers/buyers) a win-win system and I will explain why:

1. For BHW sellers - you will make more money than now, because the buyers will have access only at the real sellers.
2. For BHW buyers - you will buy always real products and the most important thing you can't lose money if the product isn't like in the description, because you will receive refund.
3. For BHW owners - you will make more money than now, because from any transaction you will have a % from buyer and from seller.

These fees of 20% or 30% are very very very high... I sell products through an escrow service and the fees are 2.5% or 5% or 10% or free for escrow workers, all depends of the level of the members.
The same fees we must to have and in BHW, maximum 10%, all depends of the member's level:
- 10% for members who aren't JR VIP
- 5% for members who are JR VIP
- 2.5% for members who are JR VIP and help BHW community
With escrow fees more than 10% I think that many of the sellers and buyers will try to find other solutions outside of BHW!

If you want to make this forum very clean is only one solution - the actual MARKETPLACE must to be frozen, for this simple reason:
- if you will have 2 MARKETPLACES you (the owners) will lose money, because some of the buyers will buy products without escrow services from the actual MARKETPLACE!

Few details about the NEW MARKETPLACE and if they are good can be implemented:
- a BHW member can buy a JR VIP for 3, 6, 12 months with $60, $90, $120 (these amounts are just for example, but good in my opinion) and not just for 1 year
- minimum amount from a sale to be $10
- all the conversations must to be made through BHW messages and/or chat, a chat must to be implemented - this system will help escrow MODS, buyers&sellers
- 1 listing for every product for free, because the sellers already pay for JR VIP accounts and fees for escrow, in the actual marketplace we can see 1 thread and for more than 100 different products
- MARKETPLACE structure in categories and subcategories and a good search section
- MODS for escrow dispute for diferent categories of products

I have solutions and about payment system but I don't want to write for now... If BHW staff consider that my ideas are good I am here with many other things.

In my message I tried to be in all the positions buyer/seller/BHW and my intention is just to help if I can.

If in my message is nothing new or these things aren't good please delete or ignore my message.

Good luck for all BHW staff & BHW members!

These are excellent ideas.

I would like to sell in the marketplace, but I do not accept Paypal. When I saw that the forum was getting a new marketplace that might have an escrow service and BHW will be handling the money for us, that got me excited. I will only sell in the marketplace if I can use escrow. I used it on Flippa and found it to be very effective. It will eliminate the SL section because the buyer has to verify that the product is working first before the money is released to the seller. The seller doesn't have to worry about chargebacks because once the money is released, the transaction is done.

I LOVE this idea:

"JR VIP for 3, 6, 12 months with $60, $90, $120"

That way you can pick up JR VIP anytime you need it, or drop it when you are done. If you want to test your product in the marketplace, you can buy the 3 month $60 JR VIP. If your BST does not do well, it will automatically end after 3 months when the 3 month JR VIP ends. If your BST is doing well, you can pay another $60/$90/$120 to extend it. For those who just want to see what is in the JR VIP section, you can see it for 3 months at $60. If you don't like it, it will automatically expire, or you can pay to extend it.

I too was wondering what would be a good fee to charge for each product sold in the new marketplace. I was thinking 10% max would be good. It would be like a tithe. When I saw you say 10% also, I knew we were on the right track. A $200 item sold would be a fee of $20 to BHW. As a seller, I would most likely pay the fee so the buyer doesn't have to deal with it.

@Diamond Damien We should do this. This is passive income on steroids!
 
I would like to sell in the marketplace, but I do not accept Paypal. When I saw that the forum was getting a new marketplace that might have an escrow service and BHW will be handling the money for us, that got me excited. I will only sell in the marketplace if I can use escrow. I used it on Flippa and found it to be very effective. It will eliminate the SL section because the buyer has to verify that the product is working first before the money is released to the seller. The seller doesn't have to worry about chargebacks because once the money is released, the transaction is done.

I am in the same situation with Paypal and I don't want to use this service. I sell products only for BTC, too many problems with Paypal...

In Marketplace 2.0, BHW staff can help
- buyers or sellers who want to use only BTC
&
- buyers or sellers who want to use only Paypal
with exchange services like:
Paypal to BTC or BTC to Paypal for 10% exchange rate and in this mode BHW can make money with a COINBASE account...
In my opinion the best solution for the new marketplace is to work only with crypto BTC, ETH...
 
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I’m not sure if this has been discussed but if possible can you find a way to add this in BHW 2.0:

Review copy ethics: 1) if a seller offers a review copy in pm then he should complete the review copy, at times I have had to chase sellers and then give up as they failed to deliver, I can’t name now because I have lost track of them but just saying we need rules for it’s completion and 2) if a person receives a review copy he/she should post their honest feedback within 48 - 72 hours in the sellers bst, many sellers have complained of this and I’m nit sure what punishments can be given but if possible devise some punishment for those who don’t post reviews.
 
I’m not sure if this has been discussed but if possible can you find a way to add this in BHW 2.0:

Review copy ethics: 1) if a seller offers a review copy in pm then he should complete the review copy, at times I have had to chase sellers and then give up as they failed to deliver, I can’t name now because I have lost track of them but just saying we need rules for it’s completion and 2) if a person receives a review copy he/she should post their honest feedback within 48 - 72 hours in the sellers bst, many sellers have complained of this and I’m nit sure what punishments can be given but if possible devise some punishment for those who don’t post reviews.

It's something we could look into although possibly a feedback loop so those offering reviews can see the quality and style of the review offered and chose if they want to use that reviewer or not - simple stats for transparency? Could work better than a punishment for non-compliance scenario?
 
If you allow Only Jr. VIP and above to be eligible for a review copy from BST threads, chances of paid, fake or owned reviews will considerably be less. Reason? Just think about it for a second. Anyone can pay a non-paid member to post a fake review, anyone can write his/her own review from another account...but doing the same with a paid member or having two paid accounts...well it is still possible but a lot less likely.
 
and any vip clicks of friends can do exactly the same thing.
give a freebie or incentive to there mates.
 
All reviews should have transaction id posted or be deleted

Then when sellers are accused of fake reviews it can be checked as you mentioned you can do
 
All reviews should have transaction id posted or be deleted

Then when sellers are accused of fake reviews it can be checked as you mentioned you can do

If all the transactions will be made through BHW, they will be real 100%.
 
If all the transactions will be made through BHW, they will be real 100%.
the shitlist becomming a state so it a way foward on slowing down fraud .


A forum section on payed working methods be nice .
 
woah, what a thread.


I think this thread deserves a bump now since BHW 2.0 is coming out.
@Diamond Damien any updates on Marketplace 2.0?
 
woah, what a thread.


I think this thread deserves a bump now since BHW 2.0 is coming out.
@Diamond Damien any updates on Marketplace 2.0?

I'm happy to announce that we will be running the long-awaited upgrade to BHW 2.0 on Monday 29th June from circa 6am BST. It's a major upgrade and as such we've reserved a 12-hour block to complete this upgrade. Going forward the upgrades will be relatively minor and as such we don't expect to require such a long period of downtime again in the near future.

BHW in it's current form will be in read-only mode for the duration of the upgrade. Any content added before we switch to read-only will be restored before we go live again.
Please note ANY changes made during the 12 hour upgrade period will be reversed.
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We've focussed on maintaining all the functionality that you know and love from the current site with a completely new set of code under the hood. There will be frequent upgrades and updates going forward based on the submissions in the Forum Suggestions and Feedback section and exposing new core functionality.

Thanks for your ongoing support for the next generation of BHW, we look forward to welcoming you to 2.0 early next week.
Thanks
DD
 
@Diamond Damien this is a sick update , but please can you restore the option to unwatch and not receive mails. Earlier it used to come under preview but now it’s not there
 
It's weird and I don't know my eyes pain xD
 
@Diamond Damien

On people's profile page, when you go to posting, you can no longer pull up just the threads they have created. You're subjected to every single one of their comments instead.
 
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