papiforreal
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I'm now scared. He lost his money and account
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I'm now scared. He lost his money and account
- Mar 10, 2010
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Who knows what he really lost.
What he did do was violate the ToS several times.
We don't manage the internet, just the activity that goes on via BHW.
I think the OP's post is pretty solid and makes for good discussion; I don't think someone who has violated the ToS here several times is not solid.
Keep the discussion up as it is healthy in my opinion.
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I'll be more than happy to open a telegram group to discuss/expedite communication, if @BassTrackerBoats allows it.
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I am not allowed to allow that as that would be promoting another forum.
I most certainly appreciate you asking though as I respect those that respect the rules here.
IG Pro
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Hello @BassTrackerBoats,
Do you think that you and other market place mods, could re-review the panels - especially these that are pinned?
Since most of them don't work (at least for Instagram), there should be some consequences. Such as: These panels couldn't sell Instagram services here, since they can't fulfill the order/s.
I don't care if they keep selling other services such as Facebook, YouTube... (if they work).
This could be a safe lane, for a bunch of panels. If we are all going to start reporting them (opening shitlists), then other services like mentioned above: Facebook, YouTube... will get away with the panel.
If you won't check it out, then we will be forced to start opening shit lists. Which means, after a one week we are going to lose 90%+ panels that are selling here.
As I have mentioned in my first comment (in this thread), I have contacted (10+) to be precise 17-panel sellers here. First 10 panels have answered my comment within 3 days, from the rest 7 I didn't hear a word, yet.
Out of these 10 panels, only one was able to deliver the service within one day.
The rest panels are still pending, processing, or even canceling my order.
I understand that everyone is trying to earn money different way, but this is pure scamming, and it throws bad light - less trust in BHW market.
This is only a discussion, where everyone should give their own solution to this problem.
My solution:
Let the panels keep selling working stuff: Facebook, YouTube... and the not working exclude out of their panel (I can't even believe that I'm saying this - This should be a fucking common sense).
If the Instagram services are working, but the information is outdated, then ffs update the information.
Stop being lazy bastards, you can even hire VA that will do this job instead of you (@xWGx's good idea).
xWGx
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- Sep 28, 2017
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To Conclude
What Happens Next
@BassTrackerBoats any suggestions on what else we can do?
As for the mega retailers, I for sure can say that most of us won't be comfortable sharing our revenues, our source panels and deeper problems on a public forum. A private discussion is indeed what is required for this matter. Even if that is monitored by BHW admins - that is fine.
- It seems the problem is widespread, as obvious as that may be. If panels aren't working for 10 of us, they aren't working for anyone as some of us have even rigorously tested multiple panels.
- There is an agreement among all that there should be SOME sort of accountability by these resellers. They cannot both earn, not deliver and be not accountable. If it says 'INSTANT' then it better be. You can't have it stuck for 3 days. That is simply insane.
- While we cannot in anyway whatsoever blame the mods for having panels - as when they did approve the sales thread, at that particular time the panels surely did work. However, things have now changed. So, a re-review is what is needed. And agreed with @shyft101 and @Filipo666 that the first thing we need to at least remove the panels that are pinned - that is really going to allow these panels to keep earning and scamming. NOTE - The issue (scam) is not something that has been happening for days, rather its coming to about 2 months now since this has been going on and on.
- Again, the crux of the matter is how reseller panels are in NO WAY taking ANY responsibility or accountability whatsoever. And that to me is a complete fraud.
What Happens Next
- As earlier proposed, a coalition of mega retailers is required as that would lead to market correction. If 10-50 of us that are generating $10k+ deposits a month for panel come together then we can ensure correction. Just in my mind if I can get the right people / owners on board, I estimate the value of deposits by just Top 20 retailers would exceed $1 million a month. (And this is IG alone) And again, that is just 20 retailers. A bunch more and value of deposit quickly reaches $5 million a month. And that amount is enough to break down any panel that is scamming - by suspending our activities at given panels that are fucking around.
- We cannot form a group outside of BHW by promoting within BHW - as that is a rule and we should respect that. And I'm pretty aware of that, or else I would have proposed a Telegram / Discord group in the first place.
- I also do not see a point in opening a shitlist thread either. As how many of those do we even open? 10? 20? 50? 100? So many panels out there! And lately if you may notice, the rate at which new panels have been coming in is only increasing.
@BassTrackerBoats any suggestions on what else we can do?
As for the mega retailers, I for sure can say that most of us won't be comfortable sharing our revenues, our source panels and deeper problems on a public forum. A private discussion is indeed what is required for this matter. Even if that is monitored by BHW admins - that is fine.
If the panel services aren't working, report the services, ask them for a refund.
They are not able to just refund you as a credit to their panel, if you want a refund back to your Paypal / bank then they must honour that. They cannot offer a refund back to a panel that does not work. That is an unenforceable T&C on any panel. Same applies to 'no-refill service', there is no such thing. If a buyer buys 10k likes / views and next day they are marked as delivered then drop, it is not good enough. Sellers need to supply and provide what they are selling and they need to last.
Open a Shitlist if they refuse to refund you back to your payment method.
They cannot just be resellers, so if these people are just selling another service without adding value, they are not permitted to do so.
Any excuses such as ' our supplier is having issues' does not wash, the buyer from BHW is dealing with the seller on BHW.
A private discussion is fine, feel free to add a couple of staff in there ( after asking if they're open for this ).
xWGx
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Someone mentioned about this and I'd like to confirm.
Another smart way of scamming more out of retailers is adding the drip feed function. It is a cruel way that WILL ensure free money for panels.
You order 1k followers and you drip it at 100 followers every 60 minutes. You are BOUND to get overlap of delivery. Its so funny when you see the games these panels play to somehow fuck people over.
No Pay Pal ensure the panels don't get charge backs.
And they don't even have the ability to cancel an on-going order, they have to request this from the provider - all the while the retailer gets refund requests, chargebacks and abuses from the end user.
As many of the mods have previously mentioned on other threads -
The responsibility lands on the entity YOU are buying from.
If you are paying the panel - then THEY are responsible. Not the source they purchased from. That is not your concern. However, as understood, this is not something panels stand by.
However, circling back - they all have formed a monopoly. Together they have removed Pay Pal. And they have added functions to ensure they can keep scamming people a bit at a time. And the only way is for us to start cutting out / boycotting the scamming panels. With no sales, they'd shed tears of blood in a matter of days. And market will see a final correction.
Fucking $5 per 1k likes that are the SHITTIEST quality AND don't even deliver most of the time. That is nothing but a joke!
What the BEAUTY of all this is - its the fact that the reseller panels really don't have anything of their own. They are pure freeloaders. Neither are they making the service. Nor are they taking part in selling to end user. If provider goes, we all die. If retailers go, we all die. If reseller panel goes away - really, nothing changes.
Another smart way of scamming more out of retailers is adding the drip feed function. It is a cruel way that WILL ensure free money for panels.
You order 1k followers and you drip it at 100 followers every 60 minutes. You are BOUND to get overlap of delivery. Its so funny when you see the games these panels play to somehow fuck people over.
No Pay Pal ensure the panels don't get charge backs.
And they don't even have the ability to cancel an on-going order, they have to request this from the provider - all the while the retailer gets refund requests, chargebacks and abuses from the end user.
As many of the mods have previously mentioned on other threads -
The responsibility lands on the entity YOU are buying from.
If you are paying the panel - then THEY are responsible. Not the source they purchased from. That is not your concern. However, as understood, this is not something panels stand by.
However, circling back - they all have formed a monopoly. Together they have removed Pay Pal. And they have added functions to ensure they can keep scamming people a bit at a time. And the only way is for us to start cutting out / boycotting the scamming panels. With no sales, they'd shed tears of blood in a matter of days. And market will see a final correction.
Fucking $5 per 1k likes that are the SHITTIEST quality AND don't even deliver most of the time. That is nothing but a joke!
What the BEAUTY of all this is - its the fact that the reseller panels really don't have anything of their own. They are pure freeloaders. Neither are they making the service. Nor are they taking part in selling to end user. If provider goes, we all die. If retailers go, we all die. If reseller panel goes away - really, nothing changes.
xWGx
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They cannot just be resellers, so if these people are just selling another service without adding value, they are not permitted to do so.
And this is exactly what they are doing whilst taking NO responsibility for it whatsoever.
What are you suggesting? Are you saying if you get enough people together with enough clients that you're going to go to the source of the services and bypass the resellers? (i.e. you'll become the resellers)
Yes they need to be held accountable for this. Some of the largest panels have 5 to 10 support staff. Instead of getting these people to answer tickets with half-assed answers all day, one person needs to be hired to simply test Services every single hour.
When that shit says "instant" and it doesn't come in 4 hours, all orders need to be refunded immediately, and that worthless service needs to be removed from the panel immediately until it is tested again a day or two later and is working.
These people can't just sit here and sell the services when THEY KNOW that they don't work and pocket the money!!
They can just give people refunds from their millions of dollars they have made off us and THEY can take it up with the source of the services to repay them.
Same thing with targeted likes - these lazy panel scammers need to test everyday. If I buy USA likes and they come from profiles with Arab symbols, that is deceptive and major fraud. That would not happen if the person testing did their job and changed the category / description. And now they have just messed up my page as I will have to go back and block all of those Arab likes.
Also many services such as video views and even some of the likes say they deliver Impressions, but they do not. I tested many this week.
They need to change the name of the panel to Just Another Scam.
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xWGx
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What are you suggesting? Are you saying if you get enough people together with enough clients that you're going to go to the source of the services and bypass the resellers? (i.e. you'll become the resellers)
Yes they need to be held accountable for this. Some of the largest panels have 5 to 10 support staff. Instead of getting these people to answer tickets with half-assed answers all day, one person needs to be hired to simply test Services every single hour.
When that shit says "instant" and it doesn't come in 4 hours, all orders need to be refunded immediately, and that damn worthless service needs to be removed from the panel immediately until it is tested again a day or two later and is working.
These people can't just sit here and sell the services when THEY KNOW that they don't work and pocket the money!!
Same thing with targeted likes - these lazy panel scammers need to test everyday. If I buy USA likes and they come from profiles with Arab symbols, that is deceptive and major fraud. That would not happen if the person testing did their job and changed the category / description. And now they have just messed up my page as I will have to go back and block all of those Arab likes.
Also many services such as video views and even some of the likes say they deliver Impressions, but they do not. I tested many this week.
They need to change the name of the panel to Just Another Scam.
Precisely my point all along.
1. Very clearly they are lazy AF.
2. The attitude is to not to give a fuck about customers. This kind of attitude comes because THEY hold a monopoly too.
3. False Advertisement at its BEST
4. No accountability.
As many mentioned and I can confirm. You pay $5 per 1k likes and they don't come for 3 days all the while the service said INSTANT. Like, WHAT THE FUCK MAN, are you kidding me? Haha.
It is probably the largest scam on BHW for years now.
Yes, I am suggesting enough of us with large enough deposits get together and form a group / get to a discussion. And we start to boycott panels one by one. Getting to source is not a big deal, if we get together, we can do that too. And appoint someone as a mediator to setup a reseller panel too. Its all doable. We simply need a discussion.
I tested most pannels from BHW and they are just pure scams to take your money.
You pay decent prices most now in BTC so they can't be disputed and get garbage quality for which nobody would even spend a single dime.
I had everything poor profiles,asian traffic only even i ordered USA only and nearly everyones delivery were disappearing like 10%-20% per week sometimes even days.
For the prices they demand they deliver garbage.That's why i stopped using social media services from bhw
I was asking myself why BHW is allowing such garbage service to be listed here.
You pay decent prices most now in BTC so they can't be disputed and get garbage quality for which nobody would even spend a single dime.
I had everything poor profiles,asian traffic only even i ordered USA only and nearly everyones delivery were disappearing like 10%-20% per week sometimes even days.
For the prices they demand they deliver garbage.That's why i stopped using social media services from bhw
I was asking myself why BHW is allowing such garbage service to be listed here.
L4x
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I think not only panels also the provider of IG SERVICES are also scamming cause they are trying to hold up a business which cant run anymore stable since the major update of instagram. Its absolutely clear that the accounts which they sell are running into an action block so the service is not working anymore, and fast not working.
Imagin that amount of people which are ordering likes from same service ! The fake accounts which are sending likes are sending xxx likes per day! Of course these accounts are running into an action block..
The „Redesigned“ service which they probably started few hours ago, is directly action blocked from Instagram. Guys they only chance is to privatize these service, making private / own services. I ordered 20K from the expensivst service and just received 3K guys. Its a re upped service which is online since a few hours.
Imagin that amount of people which are ordering likes from same service ! The fake accounts which are sending likes are sending xxx likes per day! Of course these accounts are running into an action block..
The „Redesigned“ service which they probably started few hours ago, is directly action blocked from Instagram. Guys they only chance is to privatize these service, making private / own services. I ordered 20K from the expensivst service and just received 3K guys. Its a re upped service which is online since a few hours.
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PinguSpy
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I think most people don't understand that, all panels are resellers.
They are not the ones responsible for processing your order.
When you have issue, you submit a ticket to the panel, and the panel will do the same with their supplier.
Sometimes the supplier dint respond back, so the panel have no idea what they're suppose to do or tell you.
I think the problem with this industry is, the amount of suppliers is too small.
Supplier made tons of money. Since they dominate this industry so much, because they got no competitor.
Even the quality of the services suck, they don't care about it.
Cause panel and end user have no other choice to keep using them, even each of the account/views/ip already been used by various of different reseller panels and thousand of different users.
This issue will not occur if the number of suppliers for each service is large.
Example:
YouTube Views = 50-100 different suppliers
Instagram Followers = 50-100 different suppliers
They are not the ones responsible for processing your order.
When you have issue, you submit a ticket to the panel, and the panel will do the same with their supplier.
Sometimes the supplier dint respond back, so the panel have no idea what they're suppose to do or tell you.
I think the problem with this industry is, the amount of suppliers is too small.
Supplier made tons of money. Since they dominate this industry so much, because they got no competitor.
Even the quality of the services suck, they don't care about it.
Cause panel and end user have no other choice to keep using them, even each of the account/views/ip already been used by various of different reseller panels and thousand of different users.
This issue will not occur if the number of suppliers for each service is large.
Example:
YouTube Views = 50-100 different suppliers
Instagram Followers = 50-100 different suppliers
xWGx
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No. Everyone understands that already. As pointed very clearly in the original post. The supply chain. Everyone knows how it works.
However, the issue is the reseller not taking any responsibility or adding any value to the service in any form. They are stripped off all accountability. And making false advertisements.
It shouldn't be the problem of the buyer to figure out where the reseller is buying from. That is not how the world works, so you pretty have got that wrong.
If you sell me X for $Y then YOU are responsible for the service as you are the entity I'm paying to. I don't give a fuck if you are buying from someone else and if that someone else is also buying from another party and so on and so forth. I don't give a shit if you have to open ticket with Tom Dick or Harry to answer me. If you are doing false advertising - and if you are NOT delivering service in the time frame that YOU YOURSELF promised - then you are a fraud.
So - no. Whether the order is 'processed' in house or by a third party - the entity you buy from IS RESPONSIBLE completely for it. And accountable for it too.
PinguSpy
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Keep in mind that, SMM is not like before. Majority of the service aint work.
You buy at your own risk.
This is why platform such socialmediapanel.com exits.
The price is very expensive compare to other.
But you pay for better customer support and instant credit refund.
Last a few months we lose over thousand of dollars.
We refund all our client credit, while on the main supplier, they dint refund or respond to our message at all.
The shit is on us.
LisaJones2014
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Keep your eyes and ears open, you will find an honest and good one. Very rare but you may find a gem.
IAmDubleX
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Mind sharing that "gem" with us?
DunkinStar
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Can anyone please lead to me a working panel? I tried JAP for some drip followers for the past 3 days..NOTHING. Partial refunds, orders still in "processing", etc. Im lost and need to find something that is actually working!
Thank you
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