Natural Link Building Opportunies

[AngelSeo]

But there is a benefit to the website owner to give it away for free. There is a direct benefit to having an additional 1000+ word piece of original content on the site, it also adds to the overall authority of the website, ranks for keywords in search engines, and it's another chance for other visitors to link to the page. Lots of authority websites give away free guest posts with the only stipulation being that it is original content and well written. This isn't a finite resource, this doesn't cost you anything more than a few minutes to review the article, and surely smaller blogs are not being approached very often.

There is no benefit to me in liking and sharing some posts. If there is an obvious benefit to me, then I will do it.

There is obvious benefit for you - your friends and family will see my awesome content about "best forex brokers", "best essay writing", "garbage containers". "cialis cheap canada", "paydayloan today", "best gifts for girl","best bike for losing weight" and so on. Like I said in the vast majority of niches - its causa perduta.

 

[SocialManager]

There is obvious benefit for you - your friends and family will see my awesome content about "best forex brokers", "best essay writing", "garbage containers". "cialis cheap canada", "paydayloan today", "best gifts for girl","best bike for losing weight" and so on. Like I said in the vast majority of niches - its causa perduta.

But my friends and family have no desire to see that content. If they did, I would share it with them. Your arguments are not logical. Just because you say that my friends and family would like the content doesn't make it true. Show me something they would actually like, and I will share it with them. Give me a good article that my users and Google will like, and why wouldn't I use it? All the websites have to do is say "send me the article and if it's good enough, I will post it. If it's not good enough, you have to pay and then I will post it." Your argument only makes sense if the content being guest posted is garbage.

 

[Akinyande ayo]

I mean the percentage. He said he outreached 100 sites, but only 1 or 2 didn't ask for money. That's 99% or 98%. I don't think the percentage can be that high. I do outreach often. Many site owners offer free guest posts to me.

I understand but just making different enquiry entirely

 

[AngelSeo]

But my friends and family have no desire to see that content. If they did, I would share it with them. Your arguments are not logical. Just because you say that my friends and family would like the content doesn't make it true. Show me something they would actually like, and I will share it with them. Give me a good article that my users and Google will like, and why wouldn't I use it? All the websites have to do is say "send me the article and if it's good enough, I will post it. If it's not good enough, you have to pay and then I will post it." Your argument only makes sense if the content being guest posted is garbage.

Seriously, go try it. You can debate as much as you like, but the facts are that vast majorities of people want money for posts. It doesnt matter how good content you offer - you can write the content by their requirements including their title - you still have to pay. At least in any website with 1k+ traffic or so. Those that allow free posts, and especially self posting are spammed to dead, no exception.

 

[kontentdruid]

another good tactic is to offer 1200 word guest post instead of a generic 500 word one - youd be surprised how many webmasters would take it for free if it is well written

 

[Moto801]

Another good tactic is to contact them as a woman instead of a man. Doubles conversion rate at least.

 

[SocialManager]

Seriously, go try it. You can debate as much as you like, but the facts are that vast majorities of people want money for posts. It doesnt matter how good content you offer - you can write the content by their requirements including their title - you still have to pay. At least in any website with 1k+ traffic or so. Those that allow free posts, and especially self posting are spammed to dead, no exception.

That wasn't my question. I am not disputing whether or not lots of websites want money. I am asking WHY. If you can offer good content, WHY wouldn't they want to take your content for free to build their website as an authority website.

 

[AngelSeo]

That wasn't my question. I am not disputing whether or not lots of websites want money. I am asking WHY. If you can offer good content, WHY wouldn't they want to take your content for free to build their website as an authority website.

Well if you can get $200 for a post + content, or just the content - what are you going to do? Sorry, but is stupid question. If you can charge for a service, you do. Half of the websites wants article AND payment anyway. More often than not their pricing is something like "Guest post - $150 with your content, with our content - $250". Obviously I am going to order article for $20 and send it to them.

 

[SocialManager]

Well if you can get $200 for a post + content, or just the content - what are you going to do? Sorry, but is stupid question. If you can charge for a service, you do. Half of the websites wants article AND payment anyway. More often than not their pricing is something like "Guest post - $150 with your content, with our content - $250". Obviously I am going to order article for $20 and send it to them.

Again, you aren't thinking logically. There isn't a limited amount of room for posts on most sites. The more, the better, for the website owner. You don't have unlimited offers of $200 for a post + content. How many people just ignore them when they say "$200?" If they get unlimited people willing to pay $200, well, I am very impressed. I would love to see proof. But, if they reject 10 people willing to make them original content for 1 person willing to pay $200, it seems like a losing long term strategy.

Lots of people provide services for free that they could charge for, when it benefits them. Have you really never heard of lawyers doing cases "pro bono?" Often times they take the cases to improve their image and get their name out in the media.

Just to explain how much your argument doesn't make sense: Most major websites PAY PEOPLE for posts. They are people called "writers," and it is literally their job to write articles to gain traffic and build the websites authority. Why would these people PAY MONEY for something that people are willing to do for free? Because it builds the websites authority and gains traffic and backlinks.

So please, tell me again how it's a stupid question. You really aren't thinking logically here. Your argument is completely flawed. You don't understand basic business or how to build an authority website. What is the biggest authority website in the world? Wikipedia. How much money do they charge people to post on wikipedia? Nothing. Users are free to add content as much as they want. If Wikipedia closed editing/article building and said "Pay us $500" of course businesses and people would be lining up out the door to pay $500 for the privilege of getting a wiki page. BUT, they benefit MORE from opening up to the public to add content to build their authority.

But sure, you know better how to run a successful website than Wikipedia. You know how to run a business better than lawyers.

 

[AngelSeo]

Again, you aren't thinking logically. There isn't a limited amount of room for posts on most sites. The more, the better, for the website owner. You don't have unlimited offers of $200 for a post + content. How many people just ignore them when they say "$200?" If they get unlimited people willing to pay $200, well, I am very impressed. I would love to see proof. But, if they reject 10 people willing to make them original content for 1 person willing to pay $200, it seems like a losing long term strategy.

Lots of people provide services for free that they could charge for, when it benefits them. Have you really never heard of lawyers doing cases "pro bono?" Often times they take the cases to improve their image and get their name out in the media.

Just to explain how much your argument doesn't make sense: Most major websites PAY PEOPLE for posts. They are people called "writers," and it is literally their job to write articles to gain traffic and build the websites authority. Why would these people PAY MONEY for something that people are willing to do for free? Because it builds the websites authority and gains traffic and backlinks.

So please, tell me again how it's a stupid question. You really aren't thinking logically here. Your argument is completely flawed. You don't understand basic business or how to build an authority website. What is the biggest authority website in the world? Wikipedia. How much money do they charge people to post on wikipedia? Nothing. Users are free to add content as much as they want. If Wikipedia closed editing/article building and said "Pay us $500" of course businesses and people would be lining up out the door to pay $500 for the privilege of getting a wiki page. BUT, they benefit MORE from opening up to the public to add content to build their authority.

But sure, you know better how to run a successful website than Wikipedia. You know how to run a business better than lawyers.

Apples and oranges, really. You ignore the basic fundamentals of the market - the supply and demand. Right now, everyone and his aunt is on the hunt for guest posts. Even my worse PBNs receive several e-mails per month asking for guest posts. Also you somehow assume that webmasters receive "quality content that increase authority". This is naive. In 9 out of 10 cases they get $3.5 content from HireWriters and article with title like "Best dumpsters in San Diego". YOU may promise them really high quality content, true, but after hearing this at least a dozen time, no one will believe you, nor care enough to actually read your content, if you did not pay. Comparing pro bono work with post that actually will monetary benefit you is crazy. Lawyers work pro bono to fix injustice. not to enrich their clients, you know? Wikipedia is non profit website, that have a cause and ridiculously rich sponsors. Comparing that to your average webmasters is nonsense.

 

[SocialManager]

Apples and oranges, really. You ignore the basic fundamentals of the market - the supply and demand. Right now, everyone and his aunt is on the hunt for guest posts. Even my worse PBNs receive several e-mails per month asking for guest posts. Also you somehow assume that webmasters receive "quality content that increase authority". This is naive. In 9 out of 10 cases they get $3.5 content from HireWriters and article with title like "Best dumpsters in San Diego". YOU may promise them really high quality content, true, but after hearing this at least a dozen time, no one will believe you, nor care enough to actually read your content, if you did not pay. Comparing pro bono work with post that actually will monetary benefit you is crazy. Lawyers work pro bono to fix injustice. not to enrich their clients, you know? Wikipedia is non profit website, that have a cause and ridiculously rich sponsors. Comparing that to your average webmasters is nonsense.

No, not everyone and his aunt is on the hunt for guest posts. You are greatly over exaggerating the demand. I have hundreds of blogs and literally have never had a single request for a guest post. I am definitely willing to call you a liar if you say your worst PBN's receive several emails per month asking for guest posts.

It's irrelevant whether or not the webmasters actually receive quality content. They don't have to publish articles they are given. They tell the person to send an article over. If it's trash, they don't post it, or they can then ask for a fee if they are willing to sell out. If it's high quality they post it. They aren't required to post something just because they agree to it. They can just tell the person "this is trash, give me money or it's not going up."

Your argument is now that webmasters are lazy and are willing to risk missing out on good free content rather than spend 2 minutes reviewing an article unless they are guaranteed compensation at the full posting rate. If that's your argument, fine, I am not here to argue that webmasters aren't lazy, I am asking WHY they are refusing good content. You really don't seem to understand that. I am not saying it doesn't happen, I am saying that if you reject all free guest posts and demand money from everyone, you are probably a stupid webmaster who doesn't know how to run your website optimally.

Guest posts do NOT automatically provide a monetary benefit. There is NO difference between them and pro-bono work. Guest posts build your authority and possibly bring you new traffic. They can't make you money. That's literally impossible unless someone else is paying YOU to secure a guest post on that site. Some lawyers work pro bono to fix injustice. Some lawyers work pro bono to improve the image of their firm. Some lawyers work pro bono to get their personal name out there. Some lawyers work pro bono to help a friend or family member out. There are many reasons to work pro bono.

Wikipedia chooses to be a non-profit website. Wikipedia could become an extremely profitable website if they decided to. The average webmaster who demands money for every guest post will never become an authority website like Wikipedia. That's my entire point. If your average webmaster thinks they deserve money from everyone willing to provide free content, they are stupid people who are limiting their websites potential. Content is king in the world of websites. Demanding money for every guest post is short sighted. You are clearly short sighted by supporting it as a reasonable practice.

I will trust these guys as authorities over your PBNs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/contribute-to-business-insider

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-...sonal_n_5a5e0726e4b0fcbc3a1388f0?guccounter=1

https://www.theguardian.com/careers/guardian-careers-guidelines-for-contributors-and-writers

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/writers-guidelines

https://www.fastcompany.com/3008467...icles-fast-company-and-tips-getting-published

That's just a very small list of some of the biggest authority websites which accept guest posts with no money exchanged on either side, just high quality content published to benefit the website and the writer. Of course, there are many successful websites who don't accept guest posts, but they also don't charge for guest posts. They PAY people to write for them. If you want to become an authority website and you don't have the money or connections to fund unlimited quality content on your own, you HAVE to be willing to accept free quality content.

 

[AngelSeo]

Stop the captcha in your contact form or put your e-mail in plain text (or you feel bold enough make a page "Write for us") so the bots can see it and once you get in the few sellers lists then you will see for what I am talking about. Also again apples and oranges -> people link naturally all the time without asking for money. This is quite different that you contacting an webmaster asking for a link. I am doing outreach for years and this is the situation - people ask for money because they can.

Do some of the webmasters agree to post it for free? Sure. But thats under few % of the decent websites and usually the result is either a metric ton of shitty articles OR the webmaster start asking for money.

Just last week I contacted several local medias for press release announcing partnership between a company and local university for paid internships, helping students to enter the workforce etc. Its a good cause, I did not ask for a link or anything. Guess how many medias agreed to post it for free? Just 1 out of 20, and they post it for free because said university is their media partner. As I said before you can debate as much as you want, but the truth is - if people can charge you for something, they will.

 

[SocialManager]

Stop the captcha in your contact form or put your e-mail in plain text (or you feel bold enough make a page "Write for us") so the bots can see it and once you get in the few sellers lists then you will see for what I am talking about. Also again apples and oranges -> people link naturally all the time without asking for money. This is quite different that you contacting an webmaster asking for a link. I am doing outreach for years and this is the situation - people ask for money because they can.

Do some of the webmasters agree to post it for free? Sure. But thats under few % of the decent websites and usually the result is either a metric ton of shitty articles OR the webmaster start asking for money.

Just last week I contacted several local medias for press release announcing partnership between a company and local university for paid internships, helping students to enter the workforce etc. Its a good cause, I did not ask for a link or anything. Guess how many medias agreed to post it for free? Just 1 out of 20, and they post it for free because said university is their media partner. As I said before you can debate as much as you want, but the truth is - if people can charge you for something, they will.

So now you are claiming that because BOTS are contacting you, that means everyone is looking for guest posting? Come on man. That is ridiculous and you have to realize that. You also completely ignored that I posted proof major authority sites accept guest posting for free, even though they could obviously charge money for guest posts. So no, just because people CAN charge money, doesn't mean they will. Again, I LITERALLY posted proof that you are wrong.

Can you just accept that you are wrong about this? SOME websites are greedy and short sighted, SOME websites have a different business model, but LOGICALLY if you are looking for LONG TERM success, you should be looking to accept high quality relevant guest posts for free because of increased authority + increased backlink opportunities + increased Google search engine traffic + increased content for your readers.

So no, you are not telling the truth. I posted proof that's not the case. You ignored the proof and continue to claim I am wrong.
Your proof that everyone wants guest posts and even your PBN's get requests is because some bots crawled your email address or submitted a contact form with no captcha.

Insane. I really can't imagine living in your world where you think this is you winning a debate.

 

[AngelSeo]

Ok, ill send you PM then.