[QUICK SEO TRICK] The Real Truth About Keyword Density

[KingKane]

So, how much should be the keyword density for the main keyword ? And also for LSI keywords ?

 

[nodyguy]

What's the best keyword density? what tool can measure it? thanks very much

So, how much should be the keyword density for the main keyword ? And also for LSI keywords ?

As explained, better check what your niche needs.
Check the top10 KW density and take their average, follow this.

 

[Seo Licious]

@https://www.blackhatworld.com/members/nodyguy.268353/ good one mate

 

[shags38]

@nodyguy - thank you for the good information. So just a couple of questions if I may.
1. if wanting to rank the site for multiple keywords (key word phrases) then does the density apply to each key word (as gauged by checking the #1 listing as you suggest), i.e. if #1 site has a density of 2% for one keyword (phrase) and I am trying to rank for that KW but also for another one, or two, then does the 'Total density' for my page equal 2% + 2% etc or .... does the total have to be just 2% (I think the former but need to be sure)
2. in the above example I want to rank for 'best blue widgets' but also for 'best red widgets' so the words best and widgets are repeated - this becomes problematical I suppose? The product I am trying to rank for is known by a few different names and hence have a few different search terms (related, but different) so I try to include keywords for the different search terms.
3. using keywords in the page title <h1>keyword(s)</h1> any advantage or not?

thanks, Mike

 

[fb3003]

guys - a bit of advice to build on this.

instead of using such tools, it is best to use microsoft word! do this

1. ctrl+a your primary page on your site or competitors
2. ctrl+c (copy) everything
3. go to word, paste as special, unformatted text: this shows the alt-text texts for images or section DIV texts as well, which do not show, when you do simple ctrl+f on a website
4. now do the ctrl+F for your keyword

CORA, one of the best tools that assess such things, even does analysis at html level for keyword density.

 

[fb3003]

@nodyguy - thank you for the good information. So just a couple of questions if I may.
.....
3. using keywords in the page title <h1>keyword(s)</h1> any advantage or not?

thanks, Mike

absolutely!!!

compare your site to your competitors on your primary key words using this https://www.seoreviewtools.com/html-headings-checker/

see the avg for your primary keywords across different H tags by the top ranked sites above you in your niche

 

[tammyblogger]

Great guide thanks for sharing, this is my task for today to test with one of my inner pages that just won't budge from the top of page 2 no matter what I try.

 

[nodyguy]

Nice guide.

Thanks.

@nodyguy good one mate

Thank you!

@nodyguy - thank you for the good information. So just a couple of questions if I may.
1. if wanting to rank the site for multiple keywords (key word phrases) then does the density apply to each key word (as gauged by checking the #1 listing as you suggest), i.e. if #1 site has a density of 2% for one keyword (phrase) and I am trying to rank for that KW but also for another one, or two, then does the 'Total density' for my page equal 2% + 2% etc or .... does the total have to be just 2% (I think the former but need to be sure)
2. in the above example I want to rank for 'best blue widgets' but also for 'best red widgets' so the words best and widgets are repeated - this becomes problematical I suppose? The product I am trying to rank for is known by a few different names and hence have a few different search terms (related, but different) so I try to include keywords for the different search terms.
3. using keywords in the page title <h1>keyword(s)</h1> any advantage or not?

thanks, Mike

1) You should check the density for each one seperately, they are not related.
Unless it's singular vs plurar, like "best widget" or "best widgets", in this case you count them together.

2) As explained, you count them together.

3) Ofcourse, it's the main heading of your article.

guys - a bit of advice to build on this.

instead of using such tools, it is best to use microsoft word! do this

1. ctrl+a your primary page on your site or competitors
2. ctrl+c (copy) everything
3. go to word, paste as special, unformatted text: this shows the alt-text texts for images or section DIV texts as well, which do not show, when you do simple ctrl+f on a website
4. now do the ctrl+F for your keyword

CORA, one of the best tools that assess such things, even does analysis at html level for keyword density.

Thanks for the great addon.
I heard alot of good things about CORA, haven't tried it yet tho.

Great guide thanks for sharing, this is my task for today to test with one of my inner pages that just won't budge from the top of page 2 no matter what I try.

Thanks for the great feedback.
Do it and make sure you report back in a few

 

[kontentdruid]

im surprised that kw difficulty tools dont have a metric for this built in. it would be massively helpful and popular

 

[nodyguy]

im surprised that kw difficulty tools dont have a metric for this built in. it would be massively helpful and popular

I think I saw some that have, can't remember the name.
Well, you can do it quickly manually.

 

[Sweetrevenge]

Thanks OP.
And what about LSI keywords ?
Should I check them manually like that too?

 

[Amoled]

what would you recommend, how to change the text, when you have 100 times the same keyword in 2700 words article? bought it and its stuffed with KWs

 

[fasttrak]

Personally, I write naturally and then use http://tools.seobook.com/general/keyword-density/ to check the KW density of selected results in the top 10 and adjust to match.

This tool is free and the process works well for me.

 

[shags38]

so having followed your advice @nodyguy I find myself a little confused (lots actually ) - I am checking competitors density and my own for the comparisons.
1. Product category page(s) - keyword density is at about 12% (far too high) - the category description only has a few instances of keywords in the text so the majority of the instances of keywords is a) the product images on the page in alt-text and product title under each image, and b) keyword instances in the menu and articles pages list in the template framework.
With just images discounted the density comes down to about 4.5% (still a touch high) .......so
Question: being an eCommerce site, as against a blog or other style of webpage, does Google take into account the 'extra' keyword density on a page due to products listings?? i.e. do they ignore or discount those instances?? .... if not then what is the solution??

As an aside the wordcounter.net tool you suggested wont accept the url of my main competitor, a Shopify site, in format store.domain.com - strange, or does Shopify have some code to prevent tools scanning their sites? .... and internetmarketingninjas.com/seo-tools/keyword-density/ won't give results for a home page, only other pages?

cheers, Mike

 

[fb3003]

so having followed your advice @nodyguy I find myself a little confused (lots actually ) - I am checking competitors density and my own for the comparisons.
1. Product category page(s) - keyword density is at about 12% (far too high) - the category description only has a few instances of keywords in the text so the majority of the instances of keywords is a) the product images on the page in alt-text and product title under each image, and b) keyword instances in the menu and articles pages list in the template framework.
With just images discounted the density comes down to about 4.5% (still a touch high) .......so
Question: being an eCommerce site, as against a blog or other style of webpage, does Google take into account the 'extra' keyword density on a page due to products listings?? i.e. do they ignore or discount those instances?? .... if not then what is the solution??

As an aside the wordcounter.net tool you suggested wont accept the url of my main competitor, a Shopify site, in format store.domain.com - strange, or does Shopify have some code to prevent tools scanning their sites? .... and internetmarketingninjas.com/seo-tools/keyword-density/ won't give results for a home page, only other pages?

cheers, Mike

google counts all. so best is to ctrl + A the page, go to word, paste special as text, then figure out the density that way. this method shows all the alt text for images as well. scroll up few posts and see more detail behind this from me.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/q...-keyword-density.1104483/page-2#post-11955305

i would even go one step farther, do one round with ctrl + A for the whole page, and another round highlight the text in the body (not including menu and footer). then see what the ratios tell you.

 

[GenesisOne]

Nice share OP

 

[Zedcov]

Too bad this is not working on my niche. but anyway nice share OP!

 

[fb3003]

Too bad this is not working on my niche. but anyway nice share OP!

what do you mean it does not work in your niche?! mind saying the niche or provide a sample competitors site?! are you competing with wikipedia!?

 

[shags38]

google counts all. so best is to ctrl + A the page, go to word, paste special as text, then figure out the density that way. this method shows all the alt text for images as well. scroll up few posts and see more detail behind this from me.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/q...-keyword-density.1104483/page-2#post-11955305

i would even go one step farther, do one round with ctrl + A for the whole page, and another round highlight the text in the body (not including menu and footer). then see what the ratios tell you.

Thanks for your reply - I have already calculated the ratios and discounting the menu, image alt text and image title text the ratio is fine - so if I do in fact eliminate all of this then I do not have an eCommerce website, no menu, no product images ...so
Question: are we sure that Google 'counts' keywords in menus, image alt text and image titles in an eCommerce site (they call it a shopping site) in their calculation for keyword stuffing ??? .... or are they smarter than that (and the testing tools are not that smart)? No doubt Google 'sees' all instances but are they attributing every instance to keyword stuffing - if it was an article it is understood they would 'count' all instances toward a total for stuffing.

 

[fb3003]

Thanks for your reply - I have already calculated the ratios and discounting the menu, image alt text and image title text the ratio is fine - so if I do in fact eliminate all of this then I do not have an eCommerce website, no menu, no product images ...so
Question: are we sure that Google 'counts' keywords in menus, image alt text and image titles in an eCommerce site (they call it a shopping site) in their calculation for keyword stuffing ??? .... or are they smarter than that (and the testing tools are not that smart)? No doubt Google 'sees' all instances but are they attributing every instance to keyword stuffing - if it was an article it is understood they would 'count' all instances toward a total for stuffing.

to be on safe side, discount menu and footer, BUT DO NOT DISCOUNT alt text. in all of my tests, alt text does matter.