Google update again?!

Yeah I agree with everything you've been saying in this thread. It appears they are targeting health websites that are making money but don't have the high authority like WebMD, Healthline, PubMed, Examine, etc. I think they are looking carefully at who is running the website and whether it has a lot of medical experts behind it. But for them to say it's about user experience, I don't think that's true at all.

I run a high-quality health website by myself and have been hit by about 30%. I'm a specialist/expert in a niche area and provide well-researched info, but I feel like I can't even compete with the "top dogs" anymore. I've searched for some keywords and I also see supplement companies as the first result. It's simply a product page with hardly any good, unbiased info. So from what I see, Google is rewarding completely unbiased websites that have a lot of authority, and then rewarding companies that are strictly selling products. My website has lot of well-research info, but then I also link to supplements on Amazon and sell a few of my own supplements. I have some credentials but I'm not a doctor. So I'm sort of "in between". It makes me think that I should now transition completely into an ecommerce website. Because I see many websites ahead of me simply selling supplements and their content isn't as good as mine and it's clearly just a way to sell their supplements. It's sad to see. This is the first time I've been affected by one of these changes. I've been making my content better and better over the years and traffic has always increased. Not anymore...

That doesn't really follow, though. Lots of sites on subjects not health related are hit.

To me it comes across as just another update that Google haven't got right. They are trying to correct things... incorrectly.

I've a site that has a DR61, well written content, educational, no blackhat backlinks ... hit.

Yet I'm seeing blatent blackhat sites have no effect.

Google is a massive company - yet my 6 year old nephew has more common sense.
 
That doesn't really follow, though. Lots of sites on subjects not health related are hit.

To me it comes across as just another update that Google haven't got right. They are trying to correct things... incorrectly.

I've a site that has a DR61, well written content, educational, no blackhat backlinks ... hit.

Yet I'm seeing blatent blackhat sites have no effect.

Google is a massive company - yet my 6 year old nephew has more common sense.

Yes other types of websites other than health have been affected, but I was responding to mtj85 who was talking about health websites.

And if you look around and read about this update, a lot of health websites have been affected. Websites that fall under the "Your Money or Your Life" category have been hit the most it appears. So that can include legal and financial advice websites as well, among others.

I do agree with you that Google screwed something up though.
 
Yeah I agree with everything you've been saying in this thread. It appears they are targeting health websites that are making money but don't have the high authority like WebMD, Healthline, PubMed, Examine, etc. I think they are looking carefully at who is running the website and whether it has a lot of medical experts behind it. But for them to say it's about user experience, I don't think that's true at all.

I run a high-quality health website by myself and have been hit by about 30%. I'm a specialist/expert in a niche area and provide well-researched info, but I feel like I can't even compete with the "top dogs" anymore. I've searched for some keywords and I also see supplement companies as the first result. It's simply a product page with hardly any good, unbiased info. So from what I see, Google is rewarding completely unbiased websites that have a lot of authority, and then rewarding companies that are strictly selling products. My website has lot of well-research info, but then I also link to supplements on Amazon and sell a few of my own supplements. I have some credentials but I'm not a doctor. So I'm sort of "in between". It makes me think that I should now transition completely into an ecommerce website. Because I see many websites ahead of me simply selling supplements and their content isn't as good as mine and it's clearly just a way to sell their supplements. It's sad to see. This is the first time I've been affected by one of these changes. I've been making my content better and better over the years and traffic has always increased. Not anymore...

Exactly. My site, since inception in 2012, has only been growing in traffic as well and was never affected by any update, as I tend to do things in the correct way. I did bought few PBNs, but like i said, they were very high quality and would pass manual review so there's no 1$ links in my portfolio. I've also invested in some blog outreach services, which paid off well (posted on related sites from different bloggers). I've been updating my site regularly (now have around 900 articles) and with every post the quality of my articles rises. I am adding premium related images, interlink the articles heavily, starting to cite sources professionally (with references, dates, authors etc). I'm really working hard to bring my site to a higher level by researching more and by giving the readers a better content. I never did, nor will, sell snake oil. My morals won't allow it. But at the end of the day I still run ads since I wish to pay off my hard work. Nothing bad in this, right? I'm not forcing users to click on ads. I am no doctor (and never will be as I am an electrical engineer) and there's is no theoretical chance that I ever reach webmb's level of authority, but the information I offer on my site is highly researched too. Seeing this massive drop (30-50%) makes me wonder whether to rather focus my effort in some other niche - like fishing or woodworking (which is also profitable), where authority is not that important? But if you extrapolate this "authority" thing - of course this should play a role in every niche, not just health? Why taking advice on fishing from someone who is not an authority in the area?
I get it that making wrong decisions or taking ill advice when it comes to health can be devastating (as opposed to taking advice about fishing from a non-fisherman), but then again - why only some of the health keywords are affected, and others are not?
 
Exactly. My site, since inception in 2012, has only been growing in traffic as well and was never affected by any update, as I tend to do things in the correct way. I did bought few PBNs, but like i said, they were very high quality and would pass manual review so there's no 1$ links in my portfolio. I've also invested in some blog outreach services, which paid off well (posted on related sites from different bloggers). I've been updating my site regularly (now have around 900 articles) and with every post the quality of my articles rises. I am adding premium related images, interlink the articles heavily, starting to cite sources professionally (with references, dates, authors etc). I'm really working hard to bring my site to a higher level by researching more and by giving the readers a better content. I never did, nor will, sell snake oil. My morals won't allow it. But at the end of the day I still run ads since I wish to pay off my hard work. Nothing bad in this, right? I'm not forcing users to click on ads. I am no doctor (and never will be as I am an electrical engineer) and there's is no theoretical chance that I ever reach webmb's level of authority, but the information I offer on my site is highly researched too. Seeing this massive drop (30-50%) makes me wonder whether to rather focus my effort in some other niche - like fishing or woodworking (which is also profitable), where authority is not that important? But if you extrapolate this "authority" thing - of course this should play a role in every niche, not just health? Why taking advice on fishing from someone who is not an authority in the area?
I get it that making wrong decisions or taking ill advice when it comes to health can be devastating (as opposed to taking advice about fishing from a non-fisherman), but then again - why only some of the health keywords are affected, and others are not?

Sounds like we're in a similar boat. I also make sure to cite all sources, but I'm a science journalist that writes about medical/nutritional science and studying to become a nutritionist. But I guess that's not good enough. I also used to have ads on my website but recently decided to remove them and start creating my own digital products and supplements instead. It seemed necessary and now it seems even more necessary unfortunately. I don't want to be that guy selling stuff but I don't know what else to do. I think supplements are the way forward in the health nice. The problem is that I'm so passionate about what I do that I don't think I can choose another niche. Honestly, I hardly known anything about SEO, I've started learning and implementing it out of necessity to ensure my website continues to grow. Hope this all turns around but it doesn't really look like it's going to.
 
i cant argue with what matt has said on that page or any of his other advice. he knows his stuff.
where on that link do you see that removing back link gets you back to ok level? i could not find it.

as for /page/100 , yes, i think it is a new wordpress bug. but i think your primary culprit was linking out too early

Gave the wrong link. Was this article diggitymarketing[dot]com/expired-domain-test/ first experiment
 
Last edited:
Sorry, gave the wrong link. diggitymarketing[dot]com/expired-domain-test/ First experiment
Thx

thanks. i see his point. interested to see your results once you wait out the 36 days to see if you add the links again, if you would get the improvement.
 
Exactly. My site, since inception in 2012, has only been growing in traffic as well and was never affected by any update, as I tend to do things in the correct way. I did bought few PBNs, but like i said, they were very high quality and would pass manual review so there's no 1$ links in my portfolio. I've also invested in some blog outreach services, which paid off well (posted on related sites from different bloggers). I've been updating my site regularly (now have around 900 articles) and with every post the quality of my articles rises. I am adding premium related images, interlink the articles heavily, starting to cite sources professionally (with references, dates, authors etc). I'm really working hard to bring my site to a higher level by researching more and by giving the readers a better content. I never did, nor will, sell snake oil. My morals won't allow it. But at the end of the day I still run ads since I wish to pay off my hard work. Nothing bad in this, right? I'm not forcing users to click on ads. I am no doctor (and never will be as I am an electrical engineer) and there's is no theoretical chance that I ever reach webmb's level of authority, but the information I offer on my site is highly researched too. Seeing this massive drop (30-50%) makes me wonder whether to rather focus my effort in some other niche - like fishing or woodworking (which is also profitable), where authority is not that important? But if you extrapolate this "authority" thing - of course this should play a role in every niche, not just health? Why taking advice on fishing from someone who is not an authority in the area?
I get it that making wrong decisions or taking ill advice when it comes to health can be devastating (as opposed to taking advice about fishing from a non-fisherman), but then again - why only some of the health keywords are affected, and others are not?

My thoughts exactly.

But if we take a second to follow Google's logic, it does make sense to have a medical professional working with you to, at least, review the article before it goes live. But even then we are fighting a losing battle since WebMD, Mayo, HealthLine and other "high authority websites" have entire teams of highly educated medical professionals at their disposal, giving them huge credibility...

You mentioned some KWs were affected and some were not. If things don't go back to how they were (after the algo finishes rolling out), I believe it's safe to assume more and more KWs will be affected 'till not much more is left for us "little guys."

So, the question really is, is it worth hiring medical professionals to try to get back up, or just give up and move in a different direction. I like health niche, writing about medical/health topics and I'd hate to have to throw in the towel but if that's where we are headed I guess it's better to cut our losses sooner than later...
 
I doubt it's wordpress related. I have client site that is not wordpress (shared server / entertainment niche) and it's fluctuating. It looks like a typical Google dance for a new site, which is usually a good sign. I hope...
 
Weird I see everybody saying that the update is targeting health niche. I don't have a health niche and I've seen drop around 30% in traffic and decrease in ranking. So I don't think is a health niche update.
 
Weird I see everybody saying that the update is targeting health niche. I don't have a health niche and I've seen drop around 30% in traffic and decrease in ranking. So I don't think is a health niche update.

It doesn't only target the health niche. But a lot of health websites are affected. There are likely a number of factors, but "expertise-authority-trustworthiness" definitely has something to do with it.
 
on 3 Aug = +40% traffic
on 4 Aug = -60% traffic
some KWs (not important) dropped

on 5 Aug (today) = all as usual
 
It doesn't only target the health niche. But a lot of health websites are affected. There are likely a number of factors, but "expertise-authority-trustworthiness" definitely has something to do with it.

Most likely, yes.
But riddle me this. If a person is an expert in the area, but not an authority, what does this make him then? Not trustworthy?
A simple example - your local small town doctor. He is an expert in health, but (globally) he is not an authority. I've never heard of him. Probably never will. Does this make him untrustworthy? In google's eyes (apparently) his health advice will always be less valued than what's written on webMD or mayoclinic.
Does that mean that I need to fake and publish MD credentials on my website from now on to look like an authority? How will google know that I am not a doctor in real life? Or are "you" telling me that there's other ways of establishing authority (like LINKS perhaps)? And all this update was just to hit profitable keywords (that often happen to be in health niche - you know, the pharma money)?
 
It's not just medical / health / pharma sites that are effected. I have sites in the most evergreen of review niches, 100% whitehat, that have been hit.

Just ride it out, people!
 
I doubt it's wordpress related. I have client site that is not wordpress (shared server / entertainment niche) and it's fluctuating. It looks like a typical Google dance for a new site, which is usually a good sign. I hope...

Of course it's not Wordpress related, these are just utter speculations and it makes no sense at all. Google is just on it's period again which they do every now and then. We just have to wait it out for now. I have 1 site that lost some rankings and traffic, rest is fine as is. And tbh, the traffic on that site is slowly recovering, will it stay like this? I don't know, nobody knows, just wait it out people. And DON'T do anything.
 
Can we stop the showing off please.
Adult site rankings are up and traffic is up

Just checked 200 adult domains (don't question me)...

176 had dropped in rank.

Jesus... With all the drops, I don't think 1st actually exists any more!
 
It's not just medical / health / pharma sites that are effected. I have sites in the most evergreen of review niches, 100% whitehat, that have been hit.

Just ride it out, people!

I'm not saying that it's just health niche. But in my portfolio, only health niche site got hit. Other sites are doing well and were not hit.
It must be something with authority or with links. Google can say whatever they want and we will never know if it is really true. Perhaps they can also intentionally mislead people so that reverse engineering is even more difficult.

And to the person speculating that it is a wordpress issue - get a grip.
 
Hey All - I work on a health site too, we had lots of top ranking, high quality material. Our site traffic has fallen 50% since the update with market share falling massively too.

We also have a forum, obviously the forum users start discussions and people reply. But the content on Bing at least is marked as low quality, where are the medical articles are of high quality.

Do the Forums work against us? At the moment the traffic is 60/40 in favour of Forums. The previous update the forums took at clobbering with clinical up... but this update has hit both.

Thoughts?
 
Back
Top