Does this members stats (screenshot) look legit?

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Since some of you seem to think I don't know what I'm talking about, let me give you some inconsistencies in his stories.

First of all, I've already spent about $500 this week testing other j/v's for this offer. So, don't talk to me about "starting low". I asked everybody for the same info. If everybody else is willing to give up the same info, why can't he?

Let me tell you about the people that I thought were legit and the tests weren't profitable but, I took the chance based on what they told me.

The two other people both showed me screenshots of their stats and they all added up correctly as it's supposed to in my several years of internet marketing. One of them had a months worth of stats, I put every single number into excel manually from the screenshot for my own records and to do the projection numbers. Nothing "suspicious" ever crossed my mind. It's simple mathematics and the Excel formulas showed me what I needed to see in order to continue with the investment in their testing.

One of them did tell me that they were making $500 a day but, in there stats they made half of that for only two days in a row, with an overall less than a week worth of stats. They told me their network had some issue or something so he couldn't show me the complete stats. Fine, I took the risk anyway.

Now, with Trueblood.

The first time he sends me a message asking me about the offer etc.. I ignore it, the next PM I get he's talking about making $2500 a day or something, so naturally I'm all, "what's up? let's do this, etc.." we speak on MSN, I ask him for his stats. He says he's on a MAC there's no "prtscrn" button. Ok, I let it go, since he says he's an AM at this particular network , I give him the benefit of the doubt. Even though there's software out there that will do screenshots for you, plus in the screenshot I posted you see in this thread it was from an XP system but, you can't see it now since it has been cropped.

Then after the two tests I did with previous j/v's and they weren't profitable I figured I need to figure out the issues and make some changes find another lead source and work on tweaking. I PM trueblood about this, he doesn't care. His response to everything starts with, "dude". "dude just send the leads. my conversion rate is consistent with the worst and best leads." Seriously, are we all stupid here? Ok, I let it go. I tell him I'm working on it.

Keep in mind, all the other j/v's and people i've spoken to are very specific on their stats, showing me screenshots and even landing pages, etc.. some of them are even specific on the targeting of their ads and even time of day/night. I ask TrueBlood about this, asking him to tell me if he has any additional targeting info that I can help him with. He doesn't care, it doesn't matter, whatever it is, it will convert. Seriously? It's that easy to make money is it? At first when I ask if he's doing auto-responses, his reply was, "of course". So, this must be one hell of an autoresponse, right?

In tonights last convo he did show me his landing pages which were the same style as the first two j/v's and I even saw a rip (maybe, unless they paid for it) of lilwebs work in there.

So, if you're not ignorant can you also see the holes in his statements? Or am I just delusional? Even after all that, I was going to give him a chance since, if somebody comes up to me and says, "hey, I can make you $2,500 a day" and I know my cost is going to be $125 for that risk. The stupid part of me will want to take that bet. Although after the screenshot, I just had enough of this.

Still, I don't know, maybe I really am wrong. If somebody can give me logical explanations. I'm listening. I can admit when I'm wrong.
 
for all who are seeing this thread and OP:

best way to avoid this is to ask for temporary log in info to view stats

and/or

start with low amounts - it takes risk but that's risk YOU take

I'm just arguing for the sake of the thread. Don't take this personally, we've already exchanged PM's and I'm looking forward to speaking to you later.

I do know that's the risk I take but, I will only take that risk with people who I feel are qualified. Which I already have. Just like CPA networks require approvals, they don't just let everybody and their mamma in. Then you have somebody who could be trying to lie their way in so you can put up your hard earned money for them even when they might know that they don't even know if it's going to work out since they cannot demonstrate that they are currently successful in what they are doing?

I know being that this is a BH forum what I'm saying is probably not comprehensible to many but, still once it's your money on the line and people trying to cheat you out of it, you will understand where I'm coming from.

I probably made a mistake of using the CPA network analogy here lol, nobody will listen to what I say now but, I just used it as an example.
 
for all who are seeing this thread and OP:

best way to avoid this is to ask for temporary log in info to view stats

After the screenshot questions, he seemed to offer that and I said, ok. Once I agreed later on he manipulated the conversation to, "I will create you a fresh account, so any leads you send will be credited in your account." Then later on to, "this j/v isn't suited for me".

I even offered him to do a teamviewer session. If some of you don't know what teamviewer it is, it's a remote desktop tool. So, you don't even need a temporary login created for you. You can just watch that person login and show you the stats in real time. Of course he never went through with any of this.
 
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I'm just arguing for the sake of the thread. Don't take this personally, we've already exchanged PM's and I'm looking forward to speaking to you later.

I do know that's the risk I take but, I will only take that risk with people who I feel are qualified. Which I already have. Just like CPA networks require approvals, they don't just let everybody and their mamma in. Then you have somebody who could be trying to lie their way in so you can put up your hard earned money for them even when they might know that they don't even know if it's going to work out since they cannot demonstrate that they are currently successful in what they are doing?

I know being that this is a BH forum what I'm saying is probably not comprehensible to many but, still once it's your money on the line and people trying to cheat you out of it, you will understand where I'm coming from.

I probably made a mistake of using the CPA network analogy here lol, nobody will listen to what I say now but, I just used it as an example.


Right, I'm done flaming you - it was just a reminder for all. I have lost thousands on risks but I wouldn't be where I am at right now. But still, I agree that people should always be aware of who they are working with and go with there gut feeling especially when it comes to money. That's why all of my JVs are successful and they know it - it takes trust.

P.S. - Don't work with anyone that seems suspicious like that

Go ahead and IM me by the way
 
That's why all of my JVs are successful and they know it - it takes trust.

I have also had successful JV's here and trust really is very important. I wouldn't have made this thread if I didn't feel like there was any trust being betrayed. Again, if I was wrong in my speculations, if somebody can provide logical explanations, I will have this thread deleted.
 
Right, I'm done flaming you - it was just a reminder for all. I have lost thousands on risks but I wouldn't be where I am at right now. But still, I agree that people should always be aware of who they are working with and go with there gut feeling especially when it comes to money. That's why all of my JVs are successful and they know it - it takes trust.

P.S. - Don't work with anyone that seems suspicious like that

Go ahead and IM me by the way


The irony of your posts in this thread make me sick blackmagiquelic. If you try to reply back with "what do you mean Red?" You will be the next to be featured in this subforum.
 
The irony of your posts in this thread make me sick blackmagiquelic. If you try to reply back with "what do you mean Red?" You will be the next to be featured in this subforum.

Damn, I hope this doesn't sound like what it does.

I spoke to blackmagiquelic, I basically started questioning everything he stated to me. It didn't end in me being confident in him but, of course giving the benefit of doubt as I do with everybody.

After I started questioning him and everything, he ended up responding with, "remember there are two sides here. if you gave out my landing pages, i would lose thousands"

I responded with, if anybody wanted to know what was going on in xxxxx, they could just reply to ads themselves everywhere and get spammed by people like us to see what they're running. this isn't something you can hide.

he mentioned about paying for the leads upfront, so i told him the price but, i said it's not something i normally say to people. i would prefer he prove to me what he's doing is protifable/converting and just trying to scale and i would rather take the risk based on my confidence in him.

in the end he just responded, with, "ok".

Fuck I'm telling you there are scum bags around every corner here. Man, we all need to look out for each other for real. People, don't give a fuck about nobody but, themselves.

See, I always feel bad treating people like this but, in the end my instincts/speculations most always seem to turn out right. Although, I am never afraid to admit I'm wrong.

Man, some people are just crazy. As Method Man said,
"Shame on a nigga who try to run game on a nigga"

P.S. this isn't an attack at blackmagiquelic. just stating my observations, etc..
 
Dude you are a scam artist.... you sent me 68 leads and i paid you $40 for them because that is what I made. LOL I sent you that after I knew you couldn't come up with the leads and you told me you stole my damn method. I am sorry I make money and you don't.

He sent me 68 replies I paid him $40 via paypal. That screen shot is fake because I didn't want really share my real information. (WHICH I TOLD HIM). He was very hostile towards me after I told him I no longer wanted to work with him. He is a huge liar and I do not deal with this shit. I really knew that he was bullshit when he sent me 68 replies in 2 days. I shouldn't of trusted him in the first place but said I will hook you up with a new account and you can have access to it. Of course he didn't want that. I TOLD HIM I WOULD PAY FOR THE TEST ($100) of the next 1,000 leads. This way I could show him I convert and he doesn't lose anything. He doesn't want that either. He is a fucked up scam artist.

SCREENSHOT IS FAKE! I PAID HIM $40 FOR THE 68 LEADS HE SENT ME! DO NOT TRUST THIS GUY WITH ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION! HENCE WHY I DIDN'T SEND MY REAL INFORMATION. HE STOLE MY METHOD AND IS TRYING TO STILL WORK WITH ME? I MEAN SERIOUSLY WHY NOT FUCK WITH THE GUYS HEAD BEFORE YOU DROP OUT?

of course I will take some sort of legal action against him...

 
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Now you look like the jackass. I even said that the screenshot was fake and to fuck off I don't want to work with you. You just had to lie and make yourself better because deep down you are bitter you can't make money.

Here is what you got away with:

I paid you $40 for the 68 replies you sent over two days.
You stole my method that makes me money.



When I spoke with you, you said that everyone who has done the JV, has told them all their methods. You wanted to check previous stats so that you knew the method made money so you can do it for yourself.

The moral in the story is to never do a JV unless they are very trusted. I myself feel like an idiot after getting 68 replies in 2 days and 5 of them said TEST TEST. With methods that make a good amount of money should not been shared.

I told you that I would setup another account and send all your leads to it. I even said that I would give you the login to the account. Of course you didn't like that Idea. THEN I said I would pay for the next test of 1,000 leads and show you I could convert. Again you didn't like that idea.

After I knew it was fucked up I just sent that fake screeny for the hell of it. Of course the shit doesn't add up its suppose to make you pissed off. I said I didn't want to do the JV and you got angry for some reason. I am sorry your previous "TESTS" didn't pan out and show you a great method that converts.

I would never deal with this charactor again with his lies and slander. He tries to make people lower so he seems higher. Highschool Bully tactics if I say so myself. Why couldn't you say the part where I paid you for what you did? Hmmm sounds fishy to me.
 
This is hillarious. Let's see what Abcdabcd's response will be to Trueblood.
 
Thanks guys I have nothing to hide here... I didn't want to work with him so I paid the $40 and started to fuck with him. Of course I didn't want it to come on bhw because its a privacy issue, but hey I might as well defend myself. He can came up with all the lies he wants because he is the jackass.


He sent 68 replies and I paid $40 to him.
Stole my method.

No one was cheated in this JV. He got the money so he should be happy. Its a fake screenshot lol what more do you want me to say other then the fact I was fucking around with him? ( well other then fact he has my method)

So I make money and you don't. You had your chance by me saying I will setup a new account and send all leads there and you can have the login to it.
 
From here on out, anyone caught falsely or prematurely accusing someone of being a scammer in The Shit List will be permanently banned from the forum at our discretion. Because, frankly, it's getting to be a little god damned ridiculous, especially when only about 25% of the claims in The Shit List were actual scams. It's not fair to the person who's falsely accused, and it's not fair to BHW to cast us in such a negative light. SO, pay close attention:

BEFORE posting a thread in The Shit List, you MUST try to contact the member using ALL means necessary. Waiting 24-48 hours might be a good idea.

State your case completely and clearly, including any evidence you have.

DO NOT post personal information. (SS#, Phone #, etc)


I sent you $40 for the 68 replies you sent me. You shared my personal information. You never waited 48 hours for approval. I am pretty sure you didn't get approval.
 
Also, this isn't the J/V forum so don't try to offer me any j/v's or opportunties, this isn't the section of the forum for that.


Ahahhahaah WHAT??!! Decline a JV from one of the best members here and then post personal stat screenshots of another great community member??


I vote to move abcdabcd to the shit list and ban his ass. :sombrero:
 
Ahahhahaah WHAT??!! Decline a JV from one of the best members here and then post personal stat screenshots of another great community member??


I vote to move abcdabcd to the shit list and ban his ass. :sombrero:

Thank you for the kind words. I am upset that he would steal a method and then cuss me out and be ungrateful that I paid him $40 for the 68 leads he sent me. No harm was done on my part and he has the audacity to think I would still JV with him after this. I told him and I tell you all THAT IS A FAKE SCREENSHOT. I was fucking around with him! I knew from the start when he got 68 leads in 2 days 5 being TEST that he was doing something shady.
 
Thank you for the kind words. I am upset that he would steal a method and then cuss me out and be ungrateful that I paid him $40 for the 68 leads he sent me. No harm was done on my part and he has the audacity to think I would still JV with him after this. I told him and I tell you all THAT IS A FAKE SCREENSHOT. I was fucking around with him! I knew from the start when he got 68 leads in 2 days 5 being TEST that he was doing something shady.
Yes, we heard you the first time already. No need to repeat it 5 times.
 
Thank you for the kind words. I am upset that he would steal a method and then cuss me out and be ungrateful that I paid him $40 for the 68 leads he sent me. No harm was done on my part and he has the audacity to think I would still JV with him after this. I told him and I tell you all THAT IS A FAKE SCREENSHOT. I was fucking around with him! I knew from the start when he got 68 leads in 2 days 5 being TEST that he was doing something shady.
uhh creating such an big screenshot with so much of date inside in it -just to mess with someone? :D
lol doesn't sounds really believable!
 
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