Let's Learn SEO together- SEO that works 2017

[akr007]

Hello warriors!
Let's share our practical experience in ranking on serp..
This could be about anything related to SEO.
Here is mine:
One one my blogs (affiliate niche site) is 6months old (I apply all my experience on it ) and there is 10000 words on its homepage.
***keyboard density was something 0.02%***
Density means the uses of exact main keyword (suppose "best+ product").
I used the main keyword 28 times.
But 12 days ago, I removed 20 such main keywords.
Result: No movement of the main keyword for the last 12days.
Inference:
Google do not pay attention to the so called "use of main keyword rationally"..and the keyword density is something that Google cares a little of..
What is your experience and observation?
Only constructive discussion and suggestions please.
Thank you

 

[dynastyteam]

I think strong social media (FB, Twitter, Tumblr, Pinterest) presence, Proper on Page SEO, 1500 words content and few Backlinks from guest Post can be tricks to rank the post.

 

[akr007]

I think strong social media (FB, Twitter, Tumblr, Pinterest) presence, Proper on Page SEO, 1500 words content and few Backlinks from guest Post can be tricks to rank the post.

But most of the "social sharing" packages are artificial, adding no value to the site.
Do you have any idea about "CPA" or such type of campaign for suc endeavour?
How do you manage genuine social media engagement?

 

[bmwwebdesign]

following

 

[davids355]

Google definitely considers keyword density. But I think its a lot more complicated than how many times it is or isnt mentioned in your backlink profile. I think anchor text is just the same as on-page optimization - Google will group different keywords together if they have the same meaning, they will consider variations and long-tails as having the same meaning and they will consider important keywords and whether or not they are mentioned in the page or in the anchor text.

And on top of that I think its different in every niche - because of that thing I cant remember what its called, but how many times keywords turn up in general compared to in any particular niche.

Also with your experiment there are too many variables - like the quality of those links you removed / changed anchor on, other links you have built OR that google has only just indexed, time factor etc.

 

[akr007]

Google definitely considers keyword density. But I think its a lot more complicated than how many times it is or isnt mentioned in your backlink profile. I think anchor text is just the same as on-page optimization - Google will group different keywords together if they have the same meaning, they will consider variations and long-tails as having the same meaning and they will consider important keywords and whether or not they are mentioned in the page or in the anchor text.

And on top of that I think its different in every niche - because of that thing I cant remember what its called, but how many times keywords turn up in general compared to in any particular niche.

Also with your experiment there are too many variables - like the quality of those links you removed / changed anchor on, other links you have built OR that google has only just indexed, time factor etc.

Awesome!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Could you please share your strategy about how you manage your social signals and how does it impact ranking?
Thanks again for your valuable comment.

 

[cham rox]

But most of the "social sharing" packages are artificial, adding no value to the site.
Do you have any idea about "CPA" or such type of campaign for suc endeavour?
How do you manage genuine social media engagement?

any idea on identifying better social signal packages?

 

[Pabbe]

Following..

 

[slicktimesavers]

I just want to show without testing you do not know anything about SEO

it is a lot more complicated than do this or do that

this is why akr007 did not lose rankings when removing main keywords

here is a test site I have on page one for page density

If you look closely notice keyword density goes from 0 all the way up to 11.34%

As
davids355 says "I think its different in every niche"

this is true - I've tested this and have proof

this is why you must test and check what is happening on page one
don't believe everything unless you check it yourself like I do

I get multiple page one rankings all the time breaking the rules
because things are niche dependent

in the real hard niches Google really monitors tightly

this is why the trend these days is try to be in places you have a chance
instead of beating your head against a wall wondering why you are not getting anywhere

 

[slicktimesavers]

I just want to make a quick comment about social

I do not see social on page one many times

I am putting together a study on page one rankings and social

social might be a factor to help you rank on page one
but the actual content from my initial testing does not show much on page one

this one will be a little hard to show if it actually helps you

my suspicion is in hard niches it may have a factor
but since it does not show much on page one
it might help boost your domain if it has a connection to social

again not easy to prove, unless someone can show me how to test

 

[hoangthiennam]

Backlink quality, content directed to the user....

 

[bekemew]

In my experience, Success with SEO comes down to getting the fundamentals right. Then moving onto advanced SEO strategies and techniques.

First, you'll learn how to improve your site's loading speed. Ranking is true impact of loading speed and rankings.

Next, Acritically important part of succeeding with SEO. Once we cover technical SEO, it's time for keyword research.

Finally, it's time to promote your content. Most people fail with SEO because they don't do anything to promote their stuff (besides sharing it on social media). But to rank in Google, you need backlinks. And one of my favorite link building strategies of all time: Money Sites > PBNs >RankerX >GSA

And optimize your site for Google RankBrain, which is easily one of the most important developments in SEO over the last few years.

 

[vilto]

1st stage : On site optimization : Page Speed, Mobile ready, Meta tags, Kws, Content, etc.
2nd stage : Off-site optimization : Backlinks
3rd stage : Social presence (FB, Insta, Twitter, etc)

Wait, test, improve

 

[MisterF]

1st stage : On site optimization : Page Speed, Mobile ready, Meta tags, Kws, Content, etc.
2nd stage : Off-site optimization : Backlinks
3rd stage : Social presence (FB, Insta, Twitter, etc)

Wait, test, improve

Which in a nutshell covers it.

Split test, see what works, see what doesn't.
Don't expect things to change overnight, off page can take days, weeks even months to kick in.

 

[Umaro]

1st stage : On site optimization : Page Speed, Mobile ready, Meta tags, Kws, Content, etc.
2nd stage : Off-site optimization : Backlinks
3rd stage : Social presence (FB, Insta, Twitter, etc)

Wait, test, improve

Pretty much, but the problem with most is handling stage 2. For a lot of sites the only method that is even viable seems to be pretty black hat which is troublesome if it's your main site/client site that wants to rank high.

 

[xinga]

Google definitely considers keyword density. But I think its a lot more complicated than how many times it is or isnt mentioned in your backlink profile. I think anchor text is just the same as on-page optimization - Google will group different keywords together if they have the same meaning, they will consider variations and long-tails as having the same meaning and they will consider important keywords and whether or not they are mentioned in the page or in the anchor text.
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I said it elsewhere already but will mention it again. Keyword density can only be a function of the dimension of the semantic domain of the keyword and the semantic depth of the keyword.

What does it probably mean?

There are keywords with a huge semantic domain:

"sex" is one for example. There are a billion different variations and interconected words (often wrongly coined LSI). From porn to animal documentaries (just think of the fucking lions), sex toys and so much more falls in this domain.
As a result, any standard text about "sex" wouldn't just talk about sex, but also about "procreation", "masturbation", "blow jobs", "prostitution" and "impotence". This ultimately leads to a lower density

and then there is what i'd like to call semantic depth. For some words you have a hundred different ways to express the same or similar concepts.
There is tits, udders, titties, breasts, assets, baps, bazookas, boobs, bristals, ladly lumps twins, teats, melons, mammaries and maybe even plums and chesticles.

So, in any text about "tits", any professional write would make use of these alterations, thus again lowering the expected keyword density.

if you care, there is a whole host of old and new tools to analyze any big corpus of text. They are not called seo tools, but rather linguistic research tools, but might actually give you a way better udnerstanding of seo as we are heading towards that - semantic search engines.

 

[nihalsad]

Did you just call us warriors?

 

[bartosimpsonio]

davids355 says "I think its different in every niche"

this is true - I've tested this and have proof

That's right, but it's not about the niche. It's about the keyword itself. Every keyword has a different correct density.

Google compares your site to the other sites that are already historically ranking and have good CTR for that particular keyword.

Also Google checks how many sites there are with similar content. If it finds your wording is similar to thousands of sites, you'll be demoted. It's not about duplicate content as copyscape would check, but semantically similar content. Suppose there are 2 billion sites about red flowers, then Google thinks "we do not need more content about red flowers" and that content gets demoted. Therefore you must avoid using red flowers in your site.