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Youtube video removed due to views boost

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Aspis, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. Aspis

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    Hi guys. I've a got a music channel on youtube that now is going pretty well. Some time ago I bought views for two of my videos, my competitors do this all the time, so I wanted to try at least once the same thing. That didn't give me the rusults I hoped for, so I stopped doing that, it was a one-time try.
    Unfortunately, after months, youtube told me that it noticed that one of my video violated the youtube policy about bots and automated programs.
    My channel didn't received any strike, it is in fact 100% in good standing, but in the e-mail it's written that my channel will be suspended if this violation will be repeated.
    I'm not going to use views boosts and such anymore, I decided this a long time ago, but now I'm a little worried.
    I'm pretty sure that my competitors flagged me. In fact, there is one guy that has a channel too, and he did anything he could to harass me, in the past months. Subscribing and insulting in every single video with multiple accounts, and shooting massive amounts of dislikes are just two examples, and I'm sure he also flagged my videos.
    Now my question is: How do you guys would act in such a case? I mean, can I go safe, if I just make videos and I don't boost anything? Any chance of a strike in the future for this reason? Should I make a counter-claim assuring that I know nothing about this? The policy of youtube is in fact a little dark for these things, it only says that every account is responsible for the sources of its traffic, and hiring an internet marketer to increase views and so on s is also considered being responsible. But what about if someone boosts my video with the worst king of views just to damage? Can I defend myself with such an excuse? Thank you for your opinion.
     
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    D0r7 Junior Member

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    Next time just try some good quality views.. Its the first time i am reading something like such..
     
  3. Aspis

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    I thought those views were good, and in a certain way I know they're good, because a bought them by a good provider here on blackhat. I think that someone mass flagged that video, because as I said before, that guy is very devoted to harass everyone. I know that for sure, that already happened. Even if the views are good, they're fake, if youtube does an accurate control it can distinguish boosted views from organic traffic. The thing is: if you use good views, even if they're fake, you remain under the radar. But if someone mass flag you... that is another thing.
     
  4. Dagreyon

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    It has nothing to do with flagging. There was a view delivery method that was patched by YouTube and they suspended several videos which had their views increased with this method. This is not the first time this has happened and it will not be the last.
     
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    Happened to me too few weeks back. Be really careful when adding views to an old video. There's a big chance it will get taken down.
     
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  6. Aspis

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    Thank you for your replies.
    Buying views was a one-time try, because for my niche I found them pretty useless. Through some research on how my competitors ranked their videos, I found that they use networks to have powerful backlinks. I don't want to pay a lot for having my videos posted on networks, because when my competitors invested their money just for the ranking, I instead invested a lot of money in expensive equipment, tools, lens, cameras and so on to produce professional videclips. Now I'm even buying an entire recording studio and starting my own business, so I find the prices for networks or seo services a little too expensive for now, and considering that I produce 2-3 videos per month, it would be unaffordable. I've been studying seo and internet marketing a lot these months, and I found my own method to rank my videos on youtube with great results, all my videos are in 1st or 2nd position for almost all my keywords. I'm pretty happy with it. I think that I'll use this method to rank videos from now on (nothing fancy, just some good tiered backlinking), and I'll avoid buying views due to the fact they're ephemeral and due to the fact that I need my channel to grow and become very big and partnered, so I can't allow strikes or claim of any sort.
    Thank you for clarifying my doubts.
     
  7. WORK@HOME

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    Ive been losing my youtube videos too but not for sending fake views.For some reason once my video gets 20,000 or so organic views my video gets deleted.These videos are over 3 months old.Youtube have lost there minds.
     
  8. Aspis

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    Sorry about that. Didn't they give you any reason for that? Just policy violation?
     
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    I wouldn't add views to videos. I had videos ranking for some really good keywords that were makig me bank and they got flagged and i had to start all over again. def not worth it if you factor in the cost of video production and time/$ spent on seo
     
  10. socialblast

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    Google = YouTube. In the next few years expect them to be as shitty as Google. Slowly but surely they are pretty much heading the same way.

    Buying views is risky even now like others have said they have been suspended or videos deleted. In fact, these days it's getting harder and harder to black hat just about anything! Fake facebook likes this time last year (hence my name) I made a killing, now? They just delete them after a week or so. No point in doing it really. Same with Twitter and Instagram.

    People have to start thinking out of the box to do shit. Which is what I have been doing for the last few months. Sticking two fingers up at Google and doing things the proper black hat way! I used to try and abide by their rules but when they tank your WHITE hat site it more or less tells you that wars on... so be it.

    In a few years I believe things will be so heavily moderated and restricted that a lot of people will give up on this stuff. I for one won't be and I think the people who have the determination and motivation to stick around will be the ones raking it in
     
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  11. SpiderBlast

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    I've boosted hundreds of videos (500+) and never had one taken down. But I use well known view suppliers 90% of the time (like vagex or viralsocials). Even the few times where I've ordered some shady fiver view gigs, I still never had 1 video taken down. But with fiver, I always make sure the gig has been around for more than 6 months, and I read the feedback to make sure theres no complaints about peoples videos getting taken down.

    On the other hand, I also find and bookmark BAD fiver view gigs. The shittiest, lowest quality botted views you can imagine. The type of views that are guaranteed to get a video removed fast. And I save those just encase competition wants to get aggressive with me. Cause I will light up their accounts with the shittiest, spammiest, low quality views you can find. I will also load up my proxies and go on a flagging frenzy.

    My recommendation is do NOT go "safe". But don't go stupid either.

    You can 100% boost videos if you're using a trusted view supplier. Neither vagex or viral socials have EVER led to a video getting taken down. And there are some great fiver gigs that will drip feed retention views nice and slow. Then the botted view gigs you save for competition.

    So if I was you, I'd say "fuck youtube" and continue boosting. Also, pay VERY CLOSE ATTENTION to your analytics on a daily basis. If you have a video that out of nowhere starts receiving lots of low retention views, it could be a competitor trying to get your video flagged.

    As far as your current competitor, last time someone got on my nerves, I launched a full scale war. But I have the money to do shit like this, and not everyone does. I had a competitor once who kept ranking his comments on my channel and disliking them. And for a few weeks I refused to moderate my comments and would have to log in on a daily basis to delete them.

    Eventually I went on a full scale attack, dropped $50 on fiver gigs and sent botted views to a bunch of his videos. Then I spent another $25 getting his videos disliked, and on top of that loaded up 100 proxies and started flagging as many videos as possible.

    After that, I waited a few days, took moderation off my videos, and he never tried to rank another comment. :D

    A few more months passed by, and I went to check his channel on a whim. I just got black notices for everything "this video was removed due to xxxx policies" I couldn't find his channel, none of his videos, and honestly, I did NOT feel good about it. I felt like a major POS. And I also got really paranoid over it. I can't even say with 100% certainty that I'm the reason his account got banned. But I had to check all my video analytics on a daily basis, for weeks on end, just to make sure nothing shady was going on. And that paranoia wasted A LOT of time.

    With all that said, I think its IMPOSSIBLE to succeed on YT without paid views. There's a small amount of people who can do well without them. And these are the folks with very unique talents and abilities. Like that guy who runs "vsauce". He's got awesome content, millions of subscribers, but most marketers can't do that. And thats where paid views come into play.

    Thats just my take on this stuff.

    -SB
     
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  12. techfan

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    I really hope google finds a way to not flag white hat websites! That will kill many innocent businesses that rely on one website for their living.



     
  13. gooma2

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    If you look at G's history, they do these crazy algorithm changes making everybody freak out and slowly roll some things back when they realize that even they've gone a little too far. Main thing is all about being consistent with your site or videos. It's when there's suddenly these crazy big jumps on your site or vids that gets their attention.

    With buying views on Fiverr, always make sure the seller has been around for at least a year and that the gig itself it's just 3-5 days old. Also look at the sellers other gigs. If all of their gigs are pretty new then that's usually a flag to be careful of.
     
  14. Aspis

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    I'll avoid views for now, because I found alternative methods to rank for my keywords without using them. I need to have tons of subscribers and a channel that last undisturbed and without strikes, because youtube partnership requires no strike and good standing.
    I do not earn directly from my vides for now, being in the music niche, my goal is to reach thousands of subscribers, not only views, I must avoid strikes and flags at all costs because I cannot rebuild my channel from zero. Using views make me subject to algorithm changes and risks and so on, I'll stick to other methods for now, they work for me and I'm pretty happy with it at the moment.
     
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    Sharing is caring
     
  16. plummer

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    coz of the time of views... i think your views less than 10 seconds