YOU will never make it.

cheva said:

Most of the big names , success stories are high school and college drop outs. Steve Jobs, Richard Branson, Dave Thomas , Larry Ellison, Michael Dell just to name a few

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Correlation does not imply causation.

Yes, these people are successful and they may have dropped out (you sure about Steve Jobs?). Those are the outliers. For each one of them, there are hundreds others just as successful who did not drop out. And these people you mention did not do it all on their own. Some may have had a bit of luck and I'd say for most, they had other kinds of smarts.

goblinsystems said:

Yup, that really messed with me growing up. Was adulthood really that miserable? Everyone around me told me how hard life was about to become, and I never saw what the big deal was.

The whole notion of 'working hard' in life implies that suffering is part of the equation. Somehow those two things became conflated.

Going through life with that mindset is not for me.

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Being an adult is brutal rent, bills, taxes, responsibility, etc. You don't need to add a 9-5 to all that stress, at first it's always really hard though. I went through some real poverty at 18,19,20 before my businesses popped off, very stressful times.

There are some real babies in this thread. I don't think whining is the purpose of this exercise.

OP, I hang out with hustlers and business owners everyday. One of them is 16. This kid is just amazing. He works hard, and he's constantly playing around with ideas and executing them. He's my hero.

This kid never lets anyone tell him, "You can't do that." His age is not a barrier. It frustrates him, but he works around it. And when he feels stuck, we tell him, "Kiddo, you can do anything." And he does the same to us.

We all rub off on each other. People telling you "Yes you can," can make a huge difference. Hell, I feel like I'm not in these guys' league most of the time. But that's not true. I can bring something to the table just like they do, even if it's just boobs.

If a kid that young can create his own business and make himself a success, then you can too.

Find people who are going to lift you up and snap you out of your negative thinking, even if it's only online. Create a group and chat with them every day. Bounce ideas off of each other. You'd be amazed at how much shooting the shit can get the gears turning in your head.

Also, exercise helps. I work out for two hours every day. It gives me energy, helps me work off my negativity and helps me focus. Maybe start with a 10 minute walk every day. You'd be amazed at how much of a difference that makes.

The question is: how do these people know that you want to accomplish something? Unless you told them of course.

Cuz I don't see anybody just randomly jump on you and say: "You're a failure, you can't make it, then throw a "ha ha ha" laugh in the Eric Cartman style(South Park anyone?).

By telling people that you want to achieve something, you've basically told them that you're insecure. I mean if you know that you can attain your goal, then you'd be busy achieving it right? No need to bitch around about it.

Also, ask yourself? How confident are they also? Let me tell you? Kinda 0.

People are frustrated as well. They want to become something in life too, but they don't believe in it, so they don't put their ass to work. They're projecting their frustration into you.

But, oh boy... when I've read your post, basically I was projecting myself in the mirror.

Until recently, I was negativist(still a little). Looking for threads such as: "Is GSA still good"? Then I see people saying, "No man, you shouldn't bother with black hat, you should go white hat so that Google won't slap your dick", or "We're no longer in 2013-2014" - funny, if you look for older threads as well, you can see people being in doubt even in that period.

I should give it a try to GSA and see how it works by myself. Anyway, if there's one thing that I haven't done in the last six months was to take proper action. If I did, now I'd spam Cartman's laugh at the bank, but noooh...

About the luck thing: I don't consider it luck, I consider an opportunity: opportunity of being born sexy, of being born rich.
You shouldn't think about what if I'd been born ugly or poor?

Or in our case: the opportunity of being on BHW. How many people do know about BHW? You're already lucky to be here, believe me, where the BS is filtered out(compared to guru).

I really used to think that having this particular mindset about world is great, that I'm a smart person blah blah; being realistic about things, trying to argue with people about things, focusing on what if? Those kind of stuff were backfiring me.

When I was a kid(7 years), I wanted to go on the bicycle; I don't remember saying: "Oh, it's too hard, maybe I should just give up." You can still have that mindset; it's all about the perception.

Now I know you may say that I'm just spilling motivational stuff, and that's true in a way. Why? Because it's about perception.
It's true that you have competition, but how prepared is that competition, and there was also that quote:
"You have no competition, if you're above average" or something like that, which is true.

You have to put your ass to work, but remember you have to put your brain to work too, and since you've already made some money(in addition of being on BHW), I don't see a problem making it.

LucidMarketing said:

Totally agree here.

If you're young, finish high school. Get into college. You might learn something even if you have lots of money. It's a fallback. There are many stories of people with money they thought would last them a lifetime but lose it.

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I agree with you. But schools in india are dumb. My teachers don't know anything and they work with salaries like $150-300 per month.

And BTW, internet marketing is my fall back and I have an other idea in my mind and I am working on it. Why bother going to school if you are making more money than your teachers. I want to learn business and no teacher knows how to do business and how it works. That's because of they didn't even own a company.

I think I will just learn from internet and work on my ideas. You are never perfect to start something. You just have to do it now. And even if I fail, I will learn from my mistakes, because humans have tendency to make mistakes and I have a tendency to learn from my mistakes. I listen to others, but I do what I feel right. Its my life. I will decide what is right for me. And even if I failed all the times and die, at least I can say I did what I wanted to do.

Here's a overview of person settled with his wife with a nice job -
1) Born
2) Schooling
3) Get job
4) Get kids
5) Get old
6) Die!!!

No one gives a shit when he dies. I don't want to live life like that person. I believe if god exists, he didn't send me to live life doing nothing more than paying my bills. I want to create something big and leave a mark in this world. So, I am trying to do it ASAP

alwaysinvisible said:

Also, exercise helps. I work out for two hours every day. It gives me energy, helps me work off my negativity and helps me focus. Maybe start with a 10 minute walk every day. You'd be amazed at how much of a difference that makes.

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^ this exercise definitely helps a lot. You will feel better look better which will make you feel positive about yourself and the decisions you make.

I can actually relate to what the OP is saying.

When I was much younger I had people telling me constantly that "people like us never make it" & "the only way to get on in life is to get your hands dirty". For the record, been there, done that!

When stuff like that is drummed into you at an early age it's difficult (not impossible) to shake off that mentality, particularly if the people who told you that you can never make it are the very people who are supposed to encourage you to be the best you can be!

It's not always as simple as surrounding yourself with positive minded people because not everyone knows people like that or maybe they suffer from social anxiety! I know plenty that find it difficult to mix socially.

So the only solution to people like that is places like this where they can be themselves and (hopefully) not be judged on past history & maybe create a different mindset to what they have been brainwashed into believing for most of their lives.

goblinsystems said:

I agree absolutely. Money will never fill that void. I'm just trying to find a balance of meditation/self-reflection and action. That second part is something I've always struggled with.

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cheva said:

^ this exercise definitely helps a lot. You will feel better look better which will make you feel positive about yourself and the decisions you make.

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Yeh! By defeating the voice in your head that says STOP while you are doing intense work outs, you get REALLY good at not listening to it when it tells you to stop when there's work or study to be done.

Why do you want to become a writer? Affiliate marketing is passive income and really great. I'd like to have affiliate sites, build more, it will give you a feeling of safety.

cheva said:

BBA marketing. And your assumption is wrong, i am all for education, Im not for schooling by selling your skin. Also Im not talking about high school. Go to a developing country and say Im a highschool graduate people will laugh at you. Its a given you should pass highschool, its not even considered a big achievement by any means. Im talking about university level education (degree) not highschool.

Its not a personal issue its a fact. Having a degree doesnt mean you will be a success. No one can refute that point. Making it depends on the person more than what papers he holds. Id rather earn little and do something i enjoy than work my entire life doing something i hate. On your deathbed you wont hear anyone say I wish I could spend another day working for that big man.

I was however quick to post my reply. For my son I will try my best to get him to finish university, not just for the degree but for the experience of it. That experience is probably more valuable than the end result.

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Fair points. Please note that my comments were also based on the completion of a high school education with the poster on the previous page.

You are completely right in the bolded statement. I have a friend with a PhD in astrophysics. He put all his eggs in one basket and was declined by the CfA at Harvard. He does research for a small firm now. If you ask him if he feels like he has made it, he will definitely tell you know. Yet another friend of mine who did not attend college started his own garbage collection business straight out of school, and is making six figures a year working for himself. He is happy, and he feels like he has made it.

It's all relative.

GrumpyBoy said:

I will do what I feel like. Who are you to advice me. Even if I fail in this, I can say that I did what I wanted to do. I am king of my own world now.

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The "you aren't the boss of me" response? Really? Of course I can't tell you what to do. Nobody can. That doesn't mean that people can't make suggestions. It's your prerogative as to whether you take any of it to heart. That's the difference between reading and comprehending.

GrumpyBoy said:

And by the way, how many graduates are successful.

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Plenty. Depending on your definition of successful. And if by successful you simply mean managing to make enough of an income to support a family, then I guarantee the percentage of successful individuals with at least a college degree is FAR higher than those who did not finish high school.

GrumpyBoy said:

Graduating and getting in debt is bad idea.

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Absolutely not. Maybe if you get a useless degree or a degree in a field where you are incapable of standing out amongst others in a saturated field.

I have a friend who has a history degree from Harvard. He took out loans to go there. He's been out of undergrad for almost ten years and has barely touched his debt. Because he has a four-year history degree from one of the most expensive schools in the world. He's a high school teacher making $30k a year. For him, yes, graduating and getting into debt was a bad idea.

I have another friend who went to medical school and graduated near the bottom of his class. But guess what you call the lowest-ranking graduate at med school? You call them a doctor. He has his MD, but since he spent those four years fucking around, he ended up getting "scrambled", meaning he didn't match into any residency programs. He is now doing research work for some lab in rural Georgia. Between undergrad at UNC Chapel Hill and med school at Duke, he is almost $400,000 in student loan debt, and is now making $80,000 a year. For him, yes, graduating and getting into debt was a bad idea.

I have a third friend, though, who also went to medical school. He went almost a half million in debt to get an incredible education. He went into gastroenterology, did a residency in internal medicine and made $55k a year for five years, specialized in gastro and made $110k a year for two more years, did well, stood out from his competition, and got into a private practice firm in a medium-sized city. He made $1.2 million last year at age 34, and has already paid off all of his student loans. For him, graduating and getting into debt worked out extremely well.

GrumpyBoy said:

And the person you are calling retard is a billionaire.

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Patrick Bet-David is a hype man, and definitely NOT a billionaire. If anything, he's a more visible life insurance agent.

Look at his blog: http://www.patrickbetdavid.com/patricks-blog/. Does that look like a blog of a billionaire, or a blog of someone who is trying to hard for brand recognition? Post after post with little to no responses and barely any content of value. Look at his Wikipedia page. Sure reads like someone who either wrote it themselves or hired someone to make them a wiki page. All his book reviews on Amazon read like people who were paid to give a positive review of the book.

Look at this shit: http://www.thephpagency.com/

"Bringing Back Life to the Insurance Industry". Really? http://www.phpagencystore.com/ Really?

Everything about this guy is hyperinflated. He makes money telling other people to make money, period. Typical guru wannabe. And it sounds like you fell right into the web.

GrumpyBoy said:

You don't have any rights to advice others until you become successful in that field. You are neither successful nor educated. Take my advice and grow up

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I am successful, educated, and grown up. You are 18, naive, and a high school dropout with what appears to be little life experience. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, though. Sure doesn't seem like it on my end.

I appreciate your contributions to this thread @Sherbert Hoover I think you're mostly right, in what you have been trying to teach this young entrepreneur.

For the record, I the OP am 33 years old, married with a college degree and no student debt. I pay my fair share of the bills, along with my wife who has an advanced degree. I just paid my income taxes, after a successful online income in 2016, and I have about 6 months savings in case I lost everything tomorrow (always a real possibility).

BUT

2 years ago, when I left my job with little more than a vague idea that I'd have to make my own money... it was a bad idea.

There are a thousand different reasons why I should've not effectively committed career suicide (I walked out of my second job post-college, just literally could not take another soul-crushing day). At some point, I just had to say 'fuck it'. (That's oversimplifying it..., it took a long time to get to that point. It wasn't so much of a choice in the end, I just had to get out of the path I was on). Everyone at any life stage has got a lot to lose, in their own specific way. And it always seems like it's not the right time, to make some drastic changes to your life.

There's value in due diligence and playing it safe. And yeah, when you force yourself to be a logical adult and look at the odds of success, it really does seem bleak. It may be prudent to tell someone to stay in school and get good experience, be patient, etc...

But in my experience, the impetus to action does not begin until you 'burn the boats'. You say that the dropouts who made something really great of themselves are the minority... but I would argue that the true minority are those who played it safe and still made something great of their life.

My original intention with the title of this post was in defiance of that litany of reasons why it won't work. "Stay in school, dont quit your day job, etc... you'll never make it"

Agreed this PBD fellow is kind of a clown now that I've watched some of his videos. Entertaining, though not in the way they are intended to be

take a break and keep thinking about what's currently going on with your life and what would you like to happen in the future

a few days by the sea / woods should do the job

If you are feeling frustrated and unable to take action, EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) can help you deal with it.



It might seem too simple and too good to be true. But don't let the simplicity of the technique fool you

You might also want to try self hypnosis. And I have found hitting the gym at least a few days a week helps a lot.

i'm gonna make it, trust me

Agree that life is hard and challenging, but that is what makes it worth living. Maybe just me though.

Alchemizt said:

toughen up and those things will drive you to succeed rather than feed your failure. maybe start listening to some gangsta rap would help...

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all the way!!

Most people don't realize how happy that could be if they cleared $75k with good spending habits in tact.

Sherbert Hoover said:

The "you aren't the boss of me" response? Really? Of course I can't tell you what to do. Nobody can. That doesn't mean that people can't make suggestions. It's your prerogative as to whether you take any of it to heart. That's the difference between reading and comprehending.



Plenty. Depending on your definition of successful. And if by successful you simply mean managing to make enough of an income to support a family, then I guarantee the percentage of successful individuals with at least a college degree is FAR higher than those who did not finish high school.



Absolutely not. Maybe if you get a useless degree or a degree in a field where you are incapable of standing out amongst others in a saturated field.

I have a friend who has a history degree from Harvard. He took out loans to go there. He's been out of undergrad for almost ten years and has barely touched his debt. Because he has a four-year history degree from one of the most expensive schools in the world. He's a high school teacher making $30k a year. For him, yes, graduating and getting into debt was a bad idea.

I have another friend who went to medical school and graduated near the bottom of his class. But guess what you call the lowest-ranking graduate at med school? You call them a doctor. He has his MD, but since he spent those four years fucking around, he ended up getting "scrambled", meaning he didn't match into any residency programs. He is now doing research work for some lab in rural Georgia. Between undergrad at UNC Chapel Hill and med school at Duke, he is almost $400,000 in student loan debt, and is now making $80,000 a year. For him, yes, graduating and getting into debt was a bad idea.

I have a third friend, though, who also went to medical school. He went almost a half million in debt to get an incredible education. He went into gastroenterology, did a residency in internal medicine and made $55k a year for five years, specialized in gastro and made $110k a year for two more years, did well, stood out from his competition, and got into a private practice firm in a medium-sized city. He made $1.2 million last year at age 34, and has already paid off all of his student loans. For him, graduating and getting into debt worked out extremely well.



Patrick Bet-David is a hype man, and definitely NOT a billionaire. If anything, he's a more visible life insurance agent.

Look at his blog: http://www.patrickbetdavid.com/patricks-blog/. Does that look like a blog of a billionaire, or a blog of someone who is trying to hard for brand recognition? Post after post with little to no responses and barely any content of value. Look at his Wikipedia page. Sure reads like someone who either wrote it themselves or hired someone to make them a wiki page. All his book reviews on Amazon read like people who were paid to give a positive review of the book.

Look at this shit: http://www.thephpagency.com/

"Bringing Back Life to the Insurance Industry". Really? http://www.phpagencystore.com/ Really?

Everything about this guy is hyperinflated. He makes money telling other people to make money, period. Typical guru wannabe. And it sounds like you fell right into the web.



I am successful, educated, and grown up. You are 18, naive, and a high school dropout with what appears to be little life experience. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, though. Sure doesn't seem like it on my end.

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If getting degree means you are educated and successful then you are living in a fairy tale. You would knew but you haven't dropped out. In my country, there are lots of graduates who doesn't have a job and even don't know what to do with their life. At least I know what I am doing now and what I am going to do in next 10 years. Just search on google about jobs in india. You will get the idea. I am not saying everyone should drop out like me. But I am saying, if you have an idea then you should take action immediately, it doesn't matter how much do you know about it. Getting a mentor already successful in that field is way better than having a teacher.

And life is about found what you want to do and being happy. Its not about listening to everyone and sacrificing your dreams and do what society wants you to do.

You have only one life. Its up to you what to do with it. If you want to play safe then do it. But if you want to leave a mark in this world then you have to cross your limits.

lol are you me? why you wrote each of my problems specfically like that haha