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You do not need to pay taxes!

Discussion in 'Business & Tax Advice' started by sippick, Jan 11, 2009.

  1. sippick

    sippick BANNED BANNED

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    This is for every American to see.
    Your country has been stealing from you for as long as you can remember.
    This is a video by Aaron Russo.
    I recommend everybody to watch it.


    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=vORpSbXyBJSCiwLvm8yEBg&q=aaron+russo
     
  2. mack

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    Great movie, except for the fact that it's utter bullshit.

    They spend the whole movie trying to find this law, apparently these idiots never learned to use Google.

    The dumb ex-IRS bitch that they spend so much time on, has since been convicted (by a jury of her peers) and has already lost her first appeal.

    I'm sure she's going to try to go to the Supreme Court, but they won't even hear her case. Because her arguments (like all tax-denier arguments) are retarded conspiracy whackjob nonsense.

    Yes, everyone hates paying income tax. But pretending you can just ignore it is beyond stupid.

    Deal with it the smart way, and get a good C corp and an accountant.
     
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  3. blackhat50

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    i bet that stuff is from other countries trying to make us uproar against our current government, it's propaganda.
     
  4. sippick

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    try watching zeitgeist then. there is going to be a NWO. the one world government really soon. you already have the european union, THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION, soon there is going to be an asian union, and later on they all will merge into one great piece of shit called the one world union. then we're all fucked.

    also download the movie called "NETWORK" it was made in 1976. It's all about how TV is being used to massively brainwash people. one of the best movies i have ever seen (note: it's not a documentary [so that you would consider watching it])

    @mack:
    i believe that law was not ratified by a sufficient number of states, but it was still put up on there (hoping no one will notice) and no one noticed. hooray!
     
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  5. justthinking

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    That is just plain stupid. Don't people ever get tired of all these theories? I know I sure do. NWO? Yeah, sure. And Elvis is still alive. I saw him working in a grocery story in Michigan. True story. I even have a youtub3 video of it.
     
  6. vokzzi

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    Hi, I live in Sweden and I pay 32% income tax and I am not complaining. (Free education, free health care)
     
  7. stinky_boy

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    I didn't watch the entire movie, but I tend to look t what the outcome is. One of my friends said the same things as the beginning of the movie and interesting enough, he didn't pay any taxes on his home for several years. He had a ax to grind and a point to bring out in court.

    For the last 6 year(give or take) he has lived out of a old commerical vehicle because they took his home. Where I live, it gets nice and chilly during the winter and I really don't believe this was the outcome he was a 'jones-in' for. Now maybe he got his point across, but the outcome-- bad.
     
  8. Rushpat

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    Hmm... can't find the link but I read an FAQ on a tax help site where the question was: What percentage of the US population no longer files tax returns. The answer, when you added in those who were illegal aliens, those who dealt in cash only, and those that hid their activities behind small businesses, was 30% and growing every year. The tax honesty movement has been going on for over 25 years. I believe that it's getting too hard to collect through the voluntary self-assessment route and will eventually be replaced by a sales tax in America. That would pretty much end the battles detailed in this video. Then, we'd have an underground economy.
     
  9. Freddie

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    Which part of "free" is it you don't understand? :rolleyes:
     
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  10. DrJekyll

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    I love paying taxes, I cant wait til I am paying in 1,000,000 a year!!!!!! even if it is a 50% tax rate.
     
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    Wouldn't an S corp be a smarter option? Double taxation with C corp.
     
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    You can avoid the double taxation with a C corp if you know what you're doing. With an S corp, you're just begging for an audit.
     
  13. Black Hat Seo

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    Actually it is true that there is no law stating you must file a tax return or pay income taxes. This is one of the main reasons we fought the revolution, to escape the King's unfair tax and being forced to use their money at interest.

    That said, just try not paying your taxes for a few years and see what happens :) People with guns and jails dont need a law to take your money, pretending there is one just makes it seem more civil.
     
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  14. davidson

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    Actually, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about our tax system. The tax system is voluntary in that we are allowed to calculate our own tax liability, but it's not voluntary that we have to pay.

    If you meet the requirements to file an income tax return you must file an income tax return. If you have a tax liability, you must pay. I agree with your comments about not paying. You'll only last a short time before some guys in dark suits are visiting you.

    The best approach is to learn how to limit your tax liability by taking advantage of the tax laws and all legal strategies. Don't spend time trying to cheat the system. It's better spent trying to minimize your liability. You're gonna pay ... just don't pay more than you have to.
     
  15. Uncle Kracker

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    Welcome to the real world Sippick :yield:
     
  16. mack

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    I have. It's even worse than this movie. Thanks for proving my point about you being a conspiracy whackjob! ;)

    For the benefit of the normal people reading this: Zeitgeist is a trifecta of whackjob nonsense... it has all the retarded theories of From Freedom to Fascism (the movie in OP), The God Who Wasn't There and Loose Change all rolled into one.

    It works out, since anyone foolish enough to believe one stupid premise, is likely to believe three stupid premises.

    Feel free to watch any or all of them, if you want to waste a few hours and a lot of brain cells... please don't pay though, that only encourages them.

    Luckily they're easy to download, the whackjobs try hard to share these movies because the messages are "so important, the world must know!" :lmao:

    Nope. I mean I don't even get tired of them, but I find them a ridiculous form of amusement... entertaining in a Jerry Springer kinda way.

    TBH, I should stop calling the whackjobs stupid, because some of them are intelligent. One can be very intelligent, but still lacking in wisdom (aka foolish) and/or education (aka ignorant). For instance...

    Notice how your common whackjob "feels" and "believes" a lot... instead of doing what we normal people do... research and verify. That's not necessarily dumb... but it's the definition of ignorant, and not using Google is usually foolish.

    That ratification thing is one example of the retarded tax-denier arguments I mention in my first post on this thread. Again, a simple Google search reveals that the 16th Amendment arguments are bullshit. Or as the judges (repeatedly) call them, legally frivolous.

    Decent article on why otherwise smart people believe in such tripe.

    Mostly, the whackjobs are harmless cranks. But when they start spreading dangerous ideas, that will only get people into trouble (like "You don't have to pay your income taxes!"), I don't feel bad about belittling them publicly...

    Both my the protection of the forum members, and for my own amusement. :D

    You, sir... have the right attitude!

    Wow, I hate to disagree with the awesome Nevarc. :( Gonna do it anyway.

    Although this is a good example of a regular guy, not a whackjob. You can tell because of the wisdom in the second sentence, despite the slight misconception in the first.

    @Nevarc: I love you don't hit me please.

    You're right in that we didn't have income taxes when USA started, and for a long time after that. But after the 16th Amendment, that all changed.

    Now we do have laws on the books (both in Title 26) that say we have to file a return and pay taxes.

    Plus what davidson said is true... that word "voluntary" trips people up.

    @Nevarc: I still love you, I've learned a lot from your posts, don't hate me please, thanks in advance!

    Man, I probably missed out on $200 in commissions in the time I spent writing this. Bleh, I'm going back to work.

     
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  17. davidson

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    And let me just point out one piece of irony here.

    The guys that sell these "tax freedom" systems and teach seminars to show you how you don't have to pay any taxes ... they are always current on their income taxes because they know the IRS is watching them and will come after them the day after they miss a filing deadline.
     
  18. Rushpat

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    Look up Joe Bannister (freedom above fortune). He's a former IRS CID officer that set out to disprove the tax honesty guys and their theories and after a year or 2, came to the conclusion that they were right. When he brought his concerns to IRS management, he was given the boot. Because he wouldn't keep his mouth shut, they put him on trial and he won. He has an online radio talk show where he discusses the income tax (http://www.themicroeffect.com).

    Also check out a lawyer that won a unanimous decision against the IRS. His name is Tom Cryer.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPooplZuv-0&feature=PlayList&p=E1C8A59114AE7B8E&index=0&playnext=1

    Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that if you have a liability, you should pay. What if you didn't have a liability, or the money paid wasn't taxable?

    It's something that each one has to determine, as I'm not about to say that no one owes or everyone does.

    Besides, the American taxation system as it stands is very unfair, and causes angst and mistrust among the populace. Add to that the increasing battles the IRS is facing every year and the calls to reform and replace and we'll one day see this system replaced, most likely with a sales tax of some sort.

    Look up a video on google video called "Theft by Deception". It breaks down (visually) what income is and isn't taxable.

    Code:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023
    
     
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  19. mikey29

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    Wesley snipes got 3 years of prison for listening to some people, the so called tax experts.
    Code:
    http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3671886.ece
    To that one guy above saying he likes paying taxes, me to if I was making million dollars a year, but when you are broke, and a third of paycheck goes for taxes, then I dont want too.

    Maybe we should say attica attica. Can I get a witness?
     
  20. Smelly-Cash

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    FACT:::::!!!!!!

    YOU DON'T PAY TAX IN US YOU GO TO JAIL.

    If you owe taxes they will keep penalizing you and adding interest on the total then prosecute you.

    I don't know of any country where people don't pay taxes. DO YOU