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WTF keyword sellers??

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by braindebug, Feb 13, 2016.

  1. braindebug

    braindebug Junior Member

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    I won't talk about the quality of the keywords or if these services provide any value. I was tempted to buy some times but decided against it for various reasons.
    That's also irrelevant, the quality can be top notch and there is sure value as there are people buying them. BUT...

    How the fuck can anyone that offers writing services or link building services sell keywords?? What if someone orders an article or a link building service with a "gem" keyword?
    Who can quarrantee that the seller is not going to sell that keyword one or 100 times after that? Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
     
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  2. Jesse Custer

    Jesse Custer Regular Member

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    No, I also saw this and thought it's a "conflict of interest" at best.

    It has definitely put me off ordering articles from them. I'm actually relieved when I have to explain some SEO terms to writers I hire now...
     
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  3. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Whenever you outsource to a third party, there is an element of risk BUT if you are dealing with professionals then their reputation should allow you to trust them.
    Always carry out some form of due diligence on everybody you work with and asses that risk.
    If you are dealing with a professional then their reputation is worth more to them than making a quick buck.
     
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    When dealing with KW sellers or article sellers, you should know that sooner or later the quality will drop.

    Good KW's are not unlimited and they are harder and harder to get and will eventually bring the seller to sell the same KW or start lowering there quality. The same goes for article writing, you can't expect for a writer to write good articles over and over again, people and creativity are spendable and overtime there will be less creativity and lower quality in the articles.

    Also I hate when they say buying a KW's a 50-50 chance to be a good KW. Well fuck you, you are not playing bingo you are paying for a good KW and fuck you with he what did you expect for that much. If the seller promises something the price should not matter, he should deliver the promise service and quality.
     
  5. braindebug

    braindebug Junior Member

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    I understan the risks. But there are risks you can control and others you can't. Sure, anyone could "steal" a keyword and use it for themselves. That's a risk I am willing to take because I can't do otherwise -not enough time to write everything on my own and most importantly noone would like to read my english. But if I knew that this guy was offering a keyword service, hmm I don't know. As Jesse said it feels like conflict of interest to me. They could be the most honest professionals, but noone can reassure that. It seems like an unnecessary risk to me and maybe it shouldn't be allowed in the marketplace. Ofcourse that's just my personal feel and maybe I am overreacting.
     
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    100% agree in outsourcing there's always element of risk. Plus one.
     
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    I expect a few of them are shit although I never understand this question.

    Person A has software that allows them to find 50 good keywords per month, do they have the time/resources to rank 50 keywords/sites per month? No

    Option 1: rank 5-10 of the keywords/sites and discard the 40 keywords

    Option 2: rank 5-10 of the keywords and sell the other 40.

    Pick 1

    Edit: Think I partly misread the question lol, I just spent 500$ on a keyword, I can't write content myself so I found a writer on another forum who I know is shit at seo and won't 'steal it', I wouldn't have content written for any 'gem' keywords on here
     
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  8. braindebug

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    Quality of their services is irrelevant to my point.

     
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    Yeah sorry edited
     
  10. larrydetuvi

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    Meh, in the end, if someone really wants to steal keywords or niches, they dont even need to set up a service. If you know how to search, you can find various niches from other IMers easily. I have found many myself but never tried to take over someone's niche, aditional work, most of the times it's not worth the effort.
     
  11. Asif WILSON Khan

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    But that's like saying you wouldn't trust link sellers because they could steal your niche.

    At the end of the day, it is as I said previously, do you weigh up the risks and does the providers reputation and professionalism balance things out?
    If not, then don't work with them.

    There should not be a conflict of interest if you are using a professional, because a true professional would not risk their reputation. (The keywords here are professional and reputation)

    Having said all that, it all boils down to how much risk are you willing to take? Every time you deal with somebody, there is risk, you can only do your best to minimise it.

    It is sensible to take precautions and be wary of people, but you can't eliminate that risk 100% unless you avoid dealing/working with others. This might reduce the risk but could then potentially affect the reward, you might not maximise your profits from the endeavour.

    I agree with you 100% about not taking unnecessary risks, but on this occasion I don't think you have anything to worry about.
    I think there are enough Writers who don't sell KW's and enough KW sellers who don't sell writing services to allow you to be relatively safe.

    Unless, do you know something about a seller who is abusing their position?
     
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  12. braindebug

    braindebug Junior Member

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    Nope, not at all. As I said I have no personal experience with sellers that offer these services. I was talking in general. Now that I look back in my post it might seem that I am pissed off or something. That's not the case. I just thought about it and it seemed kind of weird to me and wanted to see if others feel the same.
     
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  13. Asif WILSON Khan

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    Well it is sensible to take precautions but I don't think there is anything to be worried about.
    Although, now you have raised the issue, I too would be interested in hearing what others think.
     
  14. Jesse Custer

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    Wilson, I really appreciate your posts around the forum, but I'm going to disagree with you here.

    The issue (as I thought the same as the OP this last week) is Freelancers who simultaneously sell keywords and content.

    Now, you point to "professionalism", and in an ideal world I'd love to believe you. In the majority of professional industries (banking aside the %$&#s), regulation and a certain deal of transparency exists.
    When you purchase an article from somebody (and I guess they don't need to sell kws either) they could research your keyword / niche and you'd be none the wiser.

    They could also sell the same keywords to other people. However, as some of the keywords are >$100 I doubt this. If word got out the price would collapse and that is motivation not to do it.


    I also see some of the people who provide content on "How to Build Websites / links / pbns / etc" threads. So they are building websites as well. It's a free world, but if you don't see a "Conflict of Interest" I'd be genuinely surprised.

    There are some other arguments away from professionalism that I'm also inclined to believe:

    1) They don't have the time
    2) Your niche isn't as good as you think (after all, they are "Experts")
    3) You have too much of a head-start

    For 3) it was something Hekke commented on. He said he didn't really care as most people are lazy and you'd have to do content, links etc, etc.

    In conclusion, I have no problem buying articles if I see that people aren't also offering SEO services / are a bit clueless about IM. If they are IM savvy, I won't give my latest "Micro-niches" away.

    OP - thanks for kicking off this discussion!
     
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  15. Asif WILSON Khan

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    Thank you ...

    ... that's fine, it is good to draw your own conclusions and have an opposing view, as it can help to generate discussion and debate.

    Total agreement with my viewpoint isn't compulsory ... yet!
     
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  16. BreaknBrix

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    How about a "wtf" to keyword buyers? Seriously.

    All the best keywords I've found I wouldn't sell most for under $1000 per keyword. There are so many marketers who think keyword research is entering terms in GKT. Or using other widely available software, free or paid for all the lazyasses who refuse to do proper keyword research.

    I use widely available free, paid and custom bots. And even after processing 100k keywords I'll take out the top 100 and there are tons of things that can't be automated. And that's when you really learn "oh, this keyword is worth a much larger investment" or "damn, this niche deceived the shit out of me, totally worthless".

    I'm sorry but certain skills just need to be learned and keyword research is one of those skills. If you don't have at least some mastery over that skill, like most skills, you have no idea wtf you're paying for.

    We can call out sellers but as long as there is demand from lazyass marketers the problem to me is the buyers, not the sellers. If you don't know better and my prices are that low I'd sell you shit too cause that's exactly what you deserve at those price points. The only way I wouldn't sell shit is if my prices were at a level you couldn't afford so seriously, I'm not blaming any keyword sellers. Keep selling garbage. Keep your prices low. Keep exploiting lazyasses. In the end you're helping marketers like me and I appreciate it. Sounds horrible I know but if someones that stupid I don't have the time or energy to care how stupid they are.
     
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  17. Jesse Custer

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    Nice points, but detracts away from the main point: Is there a conflict of interest selling both content and keywords?

    I believe the price / service of those selling KWs was not brought into question.
     
  18. BigTroll

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    Everybody have a price man :)
    You should know more better than me how many pro guys we have on bhw.
    "Sorry, it was a mistake"
    "Sorry, we have a new employee and didnt knew"
    ...how many times u saw this on bhw? :)

    If you ask me, 90% of the sellers should be removed for different reasons.
     
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  19. braindebug

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    That's an entirely other subject though. I have the same feel that they cant be selling quality at these prices. But, I can only speculate about their quality since I havent tried them. Apart from that, there are guys that sell 500 dollar keywords at times so quality could indeed be good.

    But imagine this. If you couldn't type 27K words per hour you would need a writer :p. So, you go to your writer with your 100 "gem" keywords that you found by using the various methods you describe and you later on find out that you writer is selling keywords. Wouldn't that ring any bells?
     
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  20. redarrow

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    Let look at this another way , if you ant happy ordering from a person that you think
    might rip you off then move onto another.

    if you got time why not learn to do your own keyword findings and investigation
    just remember providers learnt to do what there doing so u can do the same.

    i dont see how any pro will use any same info to get paid not
    while copyscape and other apps are around...