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The dice is a device to take advantage of "Lumpy Mail" marketing. The lumpy mail won't go through a sorter so it costs a bit more but is handled by hand and won't blend in with the rest of the mail, increasing the odds that it is read.

Dropdown said:

3rd post has been moved to the JR. Vip section. The purpose of the dice is to make the package weigh more, so the business owner will be more interested in opening it (according to 7878, I do not have any experience with it.) Though I have seen some legit variations on this, for example a toy car to a car dealership, or anything else. Make the package heavy and they apparently are more interested in opening it. As soon as they open it you have their attention and that's when you can make them more interested.

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This won't cause any problems when mailing it, like the post office won't charge you more? Can you just drop the envelope a regular envelope in the box with the toy car or dice in the inside and have no problems?

Can anyone post the part 3 from jr vip or is that against the rules?

Upload and pm? Or can anyone summarize part 3?

OutsideGroove said:

The dice is a device to take advantage of "Lumpy Mail" marketing. The lumpy mail won't go through a sorter so it costs a bit more but is handled by hand and won't blend in with the rest of the mail, increasing the odds that it is read.

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This is what I meant, but I explained it in a terrible way, sorry.

OutsideGroove said:

The dice is a device to take advantage of "Lumpy Mail" marketing. The lumpy mail won't go through a sorter so it costs a bit more but is handled by hand and won't blend in with the rest of the mail, increasing the odds that it is read.

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Costs a bit more like how I'm not getting it, I haven't mailed something using the post office since I was a kid....

Do you have to take the letters inside and pay extra to mail them a certain way I'm just not understanding

Please explain it to someone who hasnt been to a post office in 20 years

skinnyboi said:

Costs a bit more like how I'm not getting it, I haven't mailed something using the post office since I was a kid....

Do you have to take the letters inside and pay extra to mail them a certain way I'm just not understanding

Please explain it to someone who hasnt been to a post office in 20 years

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It costs me $10/letter because of the little toy I had in it. (It became a parcel instead of a standard mail)

The dices I used are very small so my other letters were able to get through the mailer (or whatever it is called) and it only cost me $1,37/letter.

skinnyboi said:

Costs a bit more like how I'm not getting it, I haven't mailed something using the post office since I was a kid....

Do you have to take the letters inside and pay extra to mail them a certain way I'm just not understanding

Please explain it to someone who hasnt been to a post office in 20 years

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Yes, you have to bring it in and they will weigh it and send it for extra postage. Usually gonna run you about $2 to mail it based on weight and the over sized ( aka too thick for machine). Sure its more then just a regular stamp but your paying for the fact that now the mail will stand out and thus increase interest and hopefully sales.

Question, on the little cars, are you taping them down or just letting them move around inside of the envelope? I have my own secret niche object to stuff but I was curious how you deal with something that has wheels and wants to move.

I wouldn't talk about 7878 or his threads, unless you want a ban like I got.

Just letting you know.

OutsideGroove said:

The dice is a device to take advantage of "Lumpy Mail" marketing. The lumpy mail won't go through a sorter so it costs a bit more but is handled by hand and won't blend in with the rest of the mail, increasing the odds that it is read.

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I sent 10 out and got 2 back marked "No Mail Receptacle". It was a winery, but come one - who doesn't have a mailbox?

And one I got back was beat to sh&* with a rip and one of the dice missing. Even though it's (supposedly) hand-sorted, I'd be curious to see what type of condition our prospect gets it!! Hopefully better that this!

jodyberry said:

I sent 10 out and got 2 back marked "No Mail Receptacle". It was a winery, but come one - who doesn't have a mailbox?

And one I got back was beat to sh&* with a rip and one of the dice missing. Even though it's (supposedly) hand-sorted, I'd be curious to see what type of condition our prospect gets it!! Hopefully better that this!

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Does the Winery use a mail service or a PO Box? I would suggest upgrading your envelope, they have em so tough you can make broken glass and they won't tear.

@jodyberry

Try using bulk mailing envelopes or something made of cardboard. I use Fedex envelopes for this.

OutsideGroove said:

Question, on the little cars, are you taping them down or just letting them move around inside of the envelope? I have my own secret niche object to stuff but I was curious how you deal with something that has wheels and wants to move.

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I let them move around but I used a small enveloppe so it was pretty jam-packed in there. I suspect it can be easily damaged tho if the mailer doesn't take care of it.

Guys, about the price setting thing.

GO COLD !​

This shows the client how you appreciate your work and he keeps it in mind that if you are not ready to negotiate your price, you must be damn good and doing your job like a real professional! So when it comes to numbers, say it loud, confident and cold, then give them a second to change all the possible face reactions and continue with a cold explanation about the cost.

You are a businessman now and he knows that you have other clients too, and he knows that if he doesn't accept your service, you will move on to your next client without a blink. But he also keeps in mind that your next client might be some of their local competition companies.

Go cold, be sharp, hold on to your price, if they really consider it too much, give them a percent off for the first month so they see how well it pays of, but no more than 15% off! Keep a cold face, no smiling, and explain everything in detail and professionally!

Before you go on a meeting, prepare facts and professional explanation of what they are going to get for the money invested, and how this will affect their future company development.

P.S. In offline businesses, vocabulary is gold ! Read more about rich vocabulary expressions for the presentation you are going to make and come back here with a positive update on this thread

Wings[SENSE];3906283 said:

It costs me $10/letter because of the little toy I had in it. (It became a parcel instead of a standard mail)

The dices I used are very small so my other letters were able to get through the mailer (or whatever it is called) and it only cost me $1,37/letter.

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$10? You can mail a small flat rate box anywhere in the US for $5. That must have been a good sized toy.

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$10? You can mail a small flat rate box anywhere in the US for $5. That must have been a good sized toy.

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My jaw literally dropped when the lady said $10 per letter. It was only a small hotwheel car too.

I am a newb who is preparing to go into offline, so please give me a reality check that I understood it right: The method is to find businesses that have bad reviews showing up on SERPs and/or no (or low) Google Places ranking. The SERP is anotaded, printed out and send via snail mail in a thick envelope (with a little something inside to make people open it) together with a sales letter explaining what is wrong and how you can fix it. The offered services are: Review Funneling: You write good reviews and rank them higher than the bad reviews. Google Alerts Monitoring: You set up a Google Alert so that any new bad reviews can be countered. Facebook Management: You build them a FB page and you manage it. Now, my questions: 1) Did I get that right? 2) Would a padded or even "hard" envelope, i.e. those used for importand documents, not be enough to create interest in the contents? It would seem much more professional to me. 3) Shouldn't building and managing their website and Google Places listing be offered, too? What about ranking their website? Or are those upsells? Even just from a psychological point of view it seems to me that being able to say "I could sell you more services but I don't think they would benefit you so I don't" could be a big advantage. And if they insist on spending more, that's not really our problem, is it?

You don't write the good reviews yourself, their customers do. They are legit reviews.

OutsideGroove said:

Does the Winery use a mail service or a PO Box? I would suggest upgrading your envelope, they have em so tough you can make broken glass and they won't tear.

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Not sure about a P.O. Box. I pulled the address off of their G Places page as well as Manta, so I'm not sure what other address I could use!

I used large colored greeting card envelopes from Staples (the ones that will fit an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet folded once). Problem is that it's not the thickest paper, so it's easily ripped.
I guess I figured since it was sorted manually by hand, that it should be OK. (Yea right!!)

Thanks for the tips guys!

interested too!