Work needed to rank

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  1. Aliarz

    Aliarz Registered Member

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    hello, I’m doing a bit of keyword research on kwfinder taking a look at the ranking difficult value (Also what do you think about it? It have some kind of value or not?) but I don’t really have an idea of how much work is needed to rank them... I mean someone can give me an idea of how much work is needed a kw with max 40?

    I suppose that 0 to 10 its just page optimization right?

    Thanks!
     
  2. MatthewGraham

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    In theory:
    • Under 10 is very easy
    • 10-19 is easy
    • 20-29 is medium difficulty
    • 30-39 is hard
    • 40+ is very hard
    But those metrics are very flawed. Look at these two real keywords from a recent KW research project (details redacted/changed):
    • can [website] detect screenshots
      • Search volume: 0
      • 163,000 results shown when searched in Google
      • intitle: 0
      • inurl: 0
      • Keyword competition score: 27
    • buy [service]
      • Search volume: 590
      • 9,530,000 results shown when searched in Google
      • intitle: 26,400
      • inurl: 26,600
      • Keyword competition score: 27
    Exact same keyword competition score.

    That first keyword is definitely very easy. You could shit out a spun blog post with okay-ish onpage optimization and it would probably rank on the first page with no offpage linkbuilding at all. That second one is definitely hard, possibly even very hard. Even with great onpage optimization, you'd be lucky to break the top 30 without any link building.

    KW competition values can be useful at a glance to get organized and to help weed out certain keywords. Once you've narrowed down your possible keywords to a smaller pool, it becomes basically worthless, especially when you're looking at individual keywords.
     
  3. Aliarz

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    Yeah I know I didn’t took as the Bible of course! But the scale on kwfinder is different... is from 0 to 100 so I suppose that my 30/40 is on your scale something like 15/25.

    Anyway I got your point.
     
  4. MatthewGraham

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    Yes, those numbers from my last post were LongTailPro. I did find these for comparison. Maybe they're useful to you.

    LongTailPro (LTP)
    • 0 to 10 – No competition
    • 10 to 20 – Extremely low competition
    • 20 to 30 – Low competition
    • 30 to 40 – Moderate Competition
    • 40 to 50 – Somewhat High Competition
    • 50 to 60 – Very High Competition
    • 60 to 70 – Extremely High Competition
    • 70 to 100 – Don’t even think about it!
    Source: https://longtailpro.com/how-is-keyword-competitiveness-calculated-in-long-tail-platinum/

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    Source: https://mangools.com/blog/what-is-keyword-seo-difficulty/
     
  5. Aliarz

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    Ok but what whould u do to rank a kw with 30/40 difficult?

    Something like these


    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/f...an-a-fiverr-gig-read-our-huge-reviews.532791/

    Could be ok to rank on first page? (The ultimate combo package) just to give me an idea
     
  6. MatthewGraham

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    For a keyword that is supposedly easy to medium, I I wouldn't worry about offpage that much. A well-written article with good onpage optimization should break at least the top 30 results before doing link building. Get an article that:
    • Is written by a native English speaker
    • Is 2000-3000 or so words long
    • Has 3-6 images
    • Includes some headings, bold and italic text, bulleted lists, and other rich text / good formatting
    • Has a relevant <title> tag, relevant url, a relevant meta description, and a relevant in-article title (the first heading, usually an H1). These should contain your main keyword (or keywords, if you have a secondary important keyword) and/or all the parts of your main keyword somewhere across these.
    • Contains a few related/relevant longtail keywords in the body of the article
    • Contains a few LSI keywords in the text of the article (you can find some decent options by searching for your Keyword through Google and looking at the "Searches related to [keyword]" at the bottom of the page
    If you do all of that, you page should rank decently without doing offpage optimization. If your site has some authority and your site's internal linking is good, you can potentially even hit the first page (or even the first position) with only onpage optimization and no link buildilng.

    After doing this, wait for about 30 days so that the page can get craweled, indexed, and settle into a position in the SERPs. If at this point you're not at least top 30 or so, then one or more of the following is true:
    • The keyword is not actually easy/medium competition. It is actually harder.
    • There is a problem with the onpage optimization.
    • There is a problem with your overall site (site is very new, site has been penalized, site has low overall authority, site's internal linking structure is poor, etc.)
    If there is any issue at this point, you can go back and fix any issues with your onpage optimization. Even if you are ranking well, you might still go back and make minor to moderate adjustments to the page. Once your onpage is sorted out, you can make decisions about offpage optimization to give the page a boost up toward position #1.

    As for that specific package, you would probably want to avoid pointing it at your money site. Perhaps at a parasite or something else indirect. The package is fairly spammy (and cheap). Which there is a place for. That place is not being pointed at a money site.
     
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    I can attest to most of what @MatthewGraham is saying. I had a brand-new site (maybe 1-2 months old?), and I was able to hit the first page for two super-easy keywords in about 1-2 weeks after posting the articles without any link building. The only thing I might disagree with is the 2-3k article length recommendation. I'd look at the article length of the sites you'll be competing against on page one and just make sure that my article is more detailed and of higher quality than their content. As long as my article was 500-700+ words long, I wouldn't worry about hitting a specific word count. That's just my opinion, though.

    @Aliarz, if you're using Wordpress, I'd recommend installing the Yoast SEO plug-in. It lets you input a keyword and gives you an idea of how well-optimized your article is for that KW.
     
  8. Aliarz

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    Tools can only give you a rough idea but they are not accurate. You have to do manual research after identifying potential keywords through such tools.
     
  10. tiiberius

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    I'm sorry but I wouldn't take the results these tools spit out for granted. What I mean is that the keyword might be much harder than the tools tells you.

    Totally messed your ROI in the long run.