Why You Are Jobless!

srb888 said:

How is it that in US some 'people' can't afford to buy food but can afford 24x7 internet? Is internet free or cheap in US, or available 'on stamps'? Lately I have noticed a lot of people who are jobless for 6+ months still have 24x7 internet...

Not directed to any Hon. member, of course. I just wondered...

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Section 8 pays for housing. Food stamps pay for food. Medicaid pays for health care if people are on welfare. Energy assistance pays for heat. Electricity assistance pays for electricity. TANF is money for anything extra. I imagine people would use that to pay the rest of their bills such as internet.

Hogare said:

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Ugh. Is that all you got? You read all the ideas being thrown around in this thread, all the ideas that I myself have posted, and with all of that the best you can manage is a lame-ass link to a YouTube video depicting some vague cartoon reference to Hitler? Lol, are you related to Retard in some way? For all his illiterate meanderings, at least he is capable of uttering WORDS. Here's you, with all these ideas, sitting in a pile of warm feces safely held back inside your Depends, and through the drool you manage to mangle the word: "Dargh, ungha! unghama, dorng fang mak HITLER, graBOWzawotz...."

redrubies said:

Section 8 pays for housing. Food stamps pay for food. Medicaid pays for health care if people are on welfare. Energy assistance pays for heat. Electricity assistance pays for electricity. TANF is money for anything extra. I imagine people would use that to pay the rest of their bills such as internet.

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Uh, no.

I pay for housing, I pay for food stamps, I pay for health care, I pay for energy assistance, I pay for whatever "extra" you think TANF pays for. Wealth, as Karl Marx has informed us, does not occur from thin air. Someone has to PRODUCE it. It comes from someone's effort. All of these organizations you mention are also parasitic entities in the Resource Distribution System. Unfortunately what Marx has done for us has merely replaced one class of parasites sucking the lifeblood from the Producers, to another.

It's the system that needs to be blamed 100%, IMHO. Some people are taking full advantage out of it and we commoners have to suffer both ways. Think of it, the same system that's causing so much hurt all over your land is entering, has entered our own systems to rip us apart.

Nothing creates happiness for us now because of that system's greed to make profits in Dollars. We too were very happy once upon a time. Life wasn't so miserable, having a job meant security for a family. Hospital stays didn't meant losing jobs and becoming complete broke.

One day's leave from office didn't meant losing 2 days' salary, a wrong word with the officials didn't meant losing jobs entirely. Women at jobs then didn't meant they had to undergo discrimination of the worst type to keep their jobs... no body cares about where the system is going, those who should have cared, are the ones actually selling the country.

Life's value is counted on how much insurance you have, how many stocks you have in a company, how big is your house, how many people you employ and treat like dogs... what parties you go to, how many top people you know. And it was around that time that the jobs became slavery... the position is far worse now.

A good school teacher I know gets 10k on paper, she actually makes 20% after she signs on a 10k receipt. Would she be interested to impart education to the new generations? Yes, the one I know still does that.

Even the body organs that we have aren't safe... some women are getting the worse... but whatever type of the 'job' they have will keep them away from being on the streets with the family -- for a while at least. One salary isn't enough any more, you need at least 3 or more incomes...

Those who have none of these, they are not humans any more. They are slaves now. Worse than that... The jobs have no value, they have become slavery, the whole world is being taken up by the powerful system of one land.

People who have good jobs at present can lose it and then the person becomes a liability to others and the nation. I am not talking about those who are using wrong tactics to leech money out of the aid system, I am talking of people who really matter, those like us. Keeping a job is so much harder now. I have actually seen women in a office undergoing extreme stress just to keep the job and keep the salary rolling into their home to maintain the budget somehow. The loss of a job means our children losing their right to education. No way to get over it after the job is lost. Jobs aren't available to those who lose one. Anyways...

Just one incident here would suffice: In a office that I worked before I opted to work abroad,... the union leader in the big workshop used to touch/squeeze any woman working there anytime, and no one dared even to complain. Even his wife worked among those women.

Others simply watched/ignored blindly and had to become emotionless. The bosses too ignored these and cared little. They enjoyed their own victims... those who complained quickly got eliminated. Those women... why they need to suffer such inhuman things? Where are the people and the law who are meant to be there to stop such nonsense? Those are in the payrolls of those who are the causes of this jungle rule...

The company where I worked then was one among the popular ones, in an export processing zone... the top boss had a dual nationality... he made easy millions just being on the phone, he paid pitiful salaries. My son was too young then and used to get very high fever. When he used to get unconscious due to it, he used to call out my name before sinking into it... I would tell my boss that I would make up for the time but allow me to go to him, and the boss would say I am there to work, I should forget my son and family when I am in the office... I was the best worker there... I was very fast, sincere, and worked long hours too. Still I wasn't allowed a couple of hours to be with my 1+ y.o. child when he was in an emergency. I was just another money-making machine for my boss, I guess.

We also heard that he used to get beaten up by his wife at home. His driver was a poor man you see, and I guess he enjoyed telling it because many times he was paid little and very late. We too enjoyed those stories about him getting beaten up... everyone needed to vent out their anger some where.

It all started around that time... the jobs lost the value... the workers became money machines.

The whole system has become rotten... it's not just an isolated case either.

I don't blame people of any one land, I blame the giant money-spinning system/s that's coming to rule over us now as it is doing to others. How to change it? Sorry if I am hurting any feelings. I care for your concerns, I also care for the anger that needs to come out...

Just venting out...

Hogare said:

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Hitler took money from the producers and redistributed it to gain political power. He then killed the producers. If you are in some way comparing B. Friendly to Hitler you are stupid. If you're comparing B. Friendly's situation to those that Hitler victimized, I can see that. Unfortunately your post did not clarify either way.

srb888 said:

It's the system that needs to be blamed 100%, IMHO...

Life wasn't so miserable, having a job meant security for a family.

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Without a traditional job most people can't make money. That's the problem. People not having enough skills to provide for themselves was definitely planned by "the system." Job security, etc, is a faux problem. It covers up the fact that our nation is filled with incompetents who refuse to learn the skills needed to break their dependency from either the job market or the government teat. Then when they lose their jobs they point to problems with the with the job system instead of looking at themselves and realizing they are a substandard human for not understanding the basics of exchanging goods for currency and that they can produce no goods that are worth much of anything on today's market.

because i am a student.

LBrown said:

Without a traditional job most people can't make money. That's the problem.

People not having enough skills to provide for themselves was definitely planned by "the system." Job security, etc, is a faux problem. It covers up the fact that our nation is filled with incompetents who refuse to learn the skills needed to break their dependency from either the job market or the government teat. Then when they lose their jobs they point to problems with the with the job system instead of looking at themselves and realizing they are a substandard human for not understanding the basics of exchanging goods for currency and that they can produce no goods that are worth much of anything on today's market.

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Completely disagree.

For example that I know best: My father was not a skilled person, yet he had job security. He acquired the 'skills' at his job as a bank employee. He became the best in a British bank here. But if had lost his job at say 45, for any reason, he wouldn't have gotten another job even at another bank in today's time. It doesn't mean that he was incompetent, and that he needed a special diploma in Foreign Exchange -- learned at Grindlays... He wouldn't be able to begin a business in forex money transactions, and definitely he wasn't a substandard human being... But thank God nothing of that sort happened... Please, check what you're saying and how it applies to the general settings. You may be knowing only some skills in online marketing.

And of course, at 45 or even 50, he wouldn't have been able to learn graphics, or programming, or even online cheating... it would be impossible to those people. It applies to most people still working offline. I hope some of us didn't had 'incompetent stupid, and substandard (!!!) ' parents just because they weren't able to make money other than the traditional way. What an adjective to add now to those good people!


Every clerk, every officer, every teacher, every worker cannot be an expert and he or she wouldn't be able to get another job very soon. That wouldn't stamp him or her as incompetent. The time between jobs would be killing, literally.


IMO, your nation is definitely filled up with some incompetent internet experts who have no regards for common people moving around them. Some money making skills have made them think they are kings of the universe. For example: The same thing is noticed in the Medical Transcription field... the just-out-of-schools MTs are openly bragging on related Internet forums about how the doctors are wrong... by just learning the names of some symptoms, disorders, and procedures they are feeling that they can treat and operate upon the most difficult cases more skillfully than those internet non-savvy doctors and surgeons...

Go try to make them understand this fact and all will unite against you -- those herds. They are not even fit to work as ward boys in those hospitals. There are 5 transcription experts working noiseless above them to correct these newly-born experts' Grammar and technical mistakes. But on Internet, they display their non-existent skills and other similar 'experts' brag along with them...

I think those old-fashioned kitty parties were lot better, smarter, and saner in comparison!

Of course they would piss out and then lose the job if their bosses were given a peptalk by the concerned hospitals or doctors. They then would understand who are the real kings... After they lose their MT jobs, let them find another in 6 months... they would be considered very lucky. Those most competent money-making internet experts with their great 'job security'...!

...Same can be said about other internet fields, especially.

Try getting an offline job at your age and with your IM skillsets, and you'll know if those words equally apply to you.

It's getting useless putting views here...

I always see people criticize the government or its people. That there are these fat ass lazy people yet have money on their banks or work 1 hour per day and some work 15 hours. Why will I give a sh*t? It's their life and they can do whatever they want. Focus on being successful and you will be.

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Ugh. Is that all you got? You read all the ideas being thrown around in this thread, all the ideas that I myself have posted, and with all of that the best you can manage is a lame-ass link to a YouTube video depicting some vague cartoon reference to Hitler? Lol, are you related to Retard in some way? For all his illiterate meanderings, at least he is capable of uttering WORDS. Here's you, with all these ideas, sitting in a pile of warm feces safely held back inside your Depends, and through the drool you manage to mangle the word: "Dargh, ungha! unghama, dorng fang mak HITLER, graBOWzawotz...."



Uh, no.

I pay for housing, I pay for food stamps, I pay for health care, I pay for energy assistance, I pay for whatever "extra" you think TANF pays for. Wealth, as Karl Marx has informed us, does not occur from thin air. Someone has to PRODUCE it. It comes from someone's effort. All of these organizations you mention are also parasitic entities in the Resource Distribution System. Unfortunately what Marx has done for us has merely replaced one class of parasites sucking the lifeblood from the Producers, to another.

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He asked a question and I answered. You knew what I meant.

srb888 said:

And of course, at 45 or even 50, he wouldn't have been able to learn graphics, or programming, or even online cheating... it would be impossible to those people. It applies to most people still working offline. I hope some of us didn't had 'incompetent stupid, and substandard (!!!) ' parents just because they weren't able to make money other than the traditional way. What an adjective to add now to those good people!

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Well one that's just stupid; this notion that at 45 one is "over the hill" and incapable of learning anything new. Unless (as in your case) the government has suppressed free enterprise and the entrepreneurial spirit, and fostered helpless dependency on it's people, to the point that they are incapable of doing anything unless the government forces them into it. But that isn't a function of AGE; it's just a natural result of being programmed into a parasitic worm that ingests shit at one end and excretes it out the other.

And two, I didn't bother to read any of the post-orgasmic highlights and completely uninteresting details of your families' economic woes. Because I don't give a fuck; it's none of my business and all you are doing is over-dramatizing a seemingly personalized situation into justifying taking money that I have worked very hard to earn, and giving it to someone that did not.

@B.Friendly:

I removed your silly nationalistic flame but that 's the last time. Next time you feel like putting millions of people together in a bag, don't bother posting.

jazzc said:

Personally my core value is liberty/freedom. And freedom means that I am not justified to come to your storehouse and steal half of your crops. Because that means that you do not own the fruits of your labor, i.e. you do not own your body but you are practically a slave/surf to me.

So, my answer to the question is "it does not matter". If someone wants to help someone else, fine. If someone does not want to help someone else, fine again.

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We come, with this, to a fundamental departure of worldviews; answered and/or alluded to by way of my previous post and all of the implications that follow necessarily from it.

I respect the philosophically laissez faire substance of your perspective. I cannot do otherwise since I respect myself. All that I request in return from those with this perspective is that they not mistake me, or those of my mind, for a dove.

The fruits of my labour are mine; that I propose to be the one who literally elects proxies to distribute (vs. Re-distibute) a certain percentage of my wealth in service of it growing greater to the benefit of the greatest number, makes me not a slave, does not render me an indentured servant to my lessers or lessors, and does not ipso facto mean that I am blind to anything under the sun. What it means is this: were such proxies not in place for me, I lack representation of my interests in our modern, Western democracies. I, as a wealthy man, have only so many means at my disposal to protect my interests from the "viva la revlucion!" and "movement" set that create nothing, build nothing, and espouse absolutely nothing aside from the criticism of those that in fact do create, build and actually espouse. Ergo, perhaps I might better call the afore mentioned 'Government-as-middle-man' as 'Government-as-bodyguard.' Given Globalism, I am unable to more efficiently hire people to protect my interests; or, act as diplomats of my philanthropy. Of course, and as said earlier, this is not at all what our governments currently do. It is however, what they ought to be doing, if they ought to be doing anything at all. It truly is a fine line between anarchy and liberty.

I understand what you mean but let me note that the term "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism" is the opposite of that You are refering to social liberalism (which is a fucked up term since social and liberal are opposites, but that 's a common thing with political science terminology)

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I was making an allusion and did an admittedly poor job of it. Insofar as a fundamental tenant of Classical Liberalism is that Government -- natural, organic Government, and therefore natural, organic Democracy/Aristocracy -- exists as a means to protect a citizenry from one another, the ethnically wealthy require an objective entity to mediate its wants and needs with the economic 'underclass.' In the era of Globalism, the singular man asks too much of himself to be, create, or maintain, such a proxy. Ergo, we remain classically liberal in abstraction whilst its manifestation may indeed resemble something that defies hard and fast labeling: the reason why I referred to my perspective as an "atavism" and nothing necessarily 'new.'

B. Friendly said:

The first statement is wrong because the second condition is inevitable. DO NOT FEED THE BEARS. If you do, they will never go back to hunting and struggling for survival. Instead they will mill around, doing nothing and wait for you to feed them again. And if you don't, they will become aggressive and take from you whatever they want, while wailing self-righteous notions of the 1%.

Read that parasite's poorly-written affirmations. He's on food stamps, and who-knows-what-all-else, and in the company of those that give it to him he attempts to assert authority, and notions of equality. Presumes to describe the social system's equations in terms most favorable to his continued and effortless sustenance. Using terms such as "have" and "have not", instead of "do" and "do not".

Stop engaging in a discussion where the language used predetermines a failed outcome! You NEVER fight the enemy on the battleground of his choosing. Please, for the love of God, read Sun Tzu!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

There is no "safety net". It's a resource redistribution system designed to subsidize the unrestricted breeding of the underclass. Eventually the petri dish's bacteria population reaches critical mass, the food supply is exhausted, and we all die. Parasites & Producers, both.

The US Space Program is a thing of the past, and we slide inexorably back into the mud. And parasite here needs Food Stamps in order to survive, and is "glad of all of his experiences", and at some point in his government-subsidized collegiate experience will self-confidently tell us all how there is no such thing as individual will or freedom of choice, and that we are all products of our environment. His environment gives him Food Stamps, and he is glad of it. It is our initiative and will that gives him the Food Stamps, and he denies any reality where this dynamic will change. In order to accomplish this, we must become his slaves.

And, if we should assert that the fruits of our labors, the results of our efforts are 100% ours, and that we have a God-given right to have them, and control them, and to do whatever we would like with them, he will deny the existence of that God in order to undermine our right to control those resources. He prefers government-given rights to God-given rights, as rights endowed by supernatural means cannot be taken away by governmental action. He proposes to render unto Caesar that which is God's, with the express intent of enslaving those that sustain his purposeless, choiceless and effortless existence.

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I just find you to be in bad taste, B... It's not that you don't have a point, it is that your point is sloppily presented -- too much to prove; and, therefore, difficult to really ruminate upon.

Nietzsche referred to the Stoics as "noble fools," and I can't help but have that run through my mind over and over and again, and once more, every time I've read your posts in this thread.

Regarding Sun Tzu, there is nothing more Tzuain than defeating my enemies without having to actually fight them. Were you my enemy, B., all I would need to 'defeat' you is awareness of your Absolutism and need to control the uncontrollable. These things present me with to 'road-map' of your very soul, just as the food stamper you so deride (who seems to be appropriately using the afore mentioned 'safety net,' I should add, in spite of his/her apparently need to assuage their apparent guilt in so doing).

BLIXX said:

The fruits of my labour are mine; that I propose to be the one who literally elects proxies to distribute (vs. Re-distibute) a certain percentage of my wealth in service of it growing greater to the benefit of the greatest number, makes me not a slave, does not render me an indentured servant to my lessers or lessors, and does not ipso facto mean that I am blind to anything under the sun.

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The fundamental flaw to this argument is that you do not vote just for proxies to decide what to do with your labor, you vote for proxies that decide what to do with other people 's labor too Where the option to NOT agree to that?

What it means is this: were such proxies not in place for me, I lack representation of my interests in our modern, Western democracies.

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Not at all! You constantly vote every single day with your money. Compare that with voting of proxies once per 4 years.

It truly is a fine line between anarchy and liberty.

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Yes, but it does not depend upon the institution called "the government"

Insofar as a fundamental tenant of Classical Liberalism is that Government -- natural, organic Government, and therefore natural, organic Democracy/Aristocracy -- exists as a means to protect a citizenry from one another, the ethnically wealthy require an objective entity to mediate its wants and needs with the economic 'underclass.'

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In other words, you are saying the government exists as a tool for those who control it to enforce their will upon those who don't. Can you blame me for not being thrilled by that?

I responded to your post so that you don't think I ignored it but we are getting deep in politics and we shouldn't elaborate this more as per the rules. Feel free to pm me though if you wish

jazzc said:

The fundamental flaw to this argument is that you do not vote just for proxies to decide what to do with your labor, you vote for proxies that decide what to do with other people 's labor too Where the option to NOT agree to that?



Not at all! You constantly vote every single day with your money. Compare that with voting of proxies once per 4 years.



Yes, but it does not depend upon the institution called "the government"



In other words, you are saying the government exists as a tool for those who control it to enforce their will upon those who don't. Can you blame me for not being thrilled by that?

I responded to your post so that you don't think I ignored it but we are getting deep in politics and we shouldn't elaborate this more as per the rules. Feel free to pm me though if you wish

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lol, friend me and I'll fly you to my island, we'll share a bottle of single malt scotch, and we'll hash all this out over a porter house that I'll prepare myself.

Good to speak with you, Jazz.

BLIXX said:

I just find you to be in bad taste, B...

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Huh. Well, if you don't appreciate my literary flair, I will be glad to refund you your money.

I, on the other hand, simply find you boring. I think you acquired some philosophical concepts along the way, and have yet to figure out how to connect them to real life. You seem more comfortable connecting them to each other, describing subtle differences between this abstraction and that. I also think you use "big words" like a tin-horn badge of authority, either to impress others or even yourself. They are over-used, and as a result they are clumsy, clunky and an impediment to the transfer of intended meaning, rather than a facilitator. The words use you, when it is you that should have mastery over the words.

Here's you in the Literary Drive-Through:

"Hi, and welcome to McForumPosts. My name is Ashley. Can I take your order?"
"Uh, yeah, I'd like a self-important post, extra-heavy on the stuffiness. Lemme have a triple serving of important-sounding words and if you have to arrange them weakly, that's fine. I'm just trying to pack as many "I'm educated" signals as I possibly can into as small of a space as possible.

In fact, I think you'd be perfect as an academic. You could read books, and then go out into classrooms and teach all that stuff you read in those books to a bunch of young people that have never really experienced the real world. The shared ignorance of the real world could form the foundation of your relationship. They could see their own ignorance, then look at yours, and say "Hay, this guy is as uninformed as I am, but he sounds really cool when he talks about Jefferson's Deism, so maybe if I learn all that cool stuff I'll be cool too. I think I'll sign a note for $50,000.00 of non-forgivable Student Loan in order to get a worthless degree with a worthless major and spend the rest of my life spouting shit that no one will pay me for, except for a university."

And so the worm continues to turn.



Perhaps that is why you find me so vulgar. Meet me, the unwashed Producer. I have shit in the treads of my boots, salt lines from sweat on my t-shirt, mud on my jeans and I forgot to shave this morning. And frequently I smell bad from having worked hard all day. I earn every penny I make, and I feel the personal connection between myself and what I have earned to the very marrow of my bones. I could kill anyone that tried to steal the proceeds from my life's work by severing their head from their body with a hacksaw, then go inside the house to finish breakfast and never give the thieve's corpse a second thought.

I *know* what I am. I know WHO I am, and I understand fully how necessary I am to your very survival. You need me, and I don't need you. God has set this universe in motion and it is governed by the immutable laws of physics, and NOTHING changes course, and nothing disrupts an inevitable destiny unless I myself do something, and impart my will upon the universe.

I claim this. This is mine.

Further, I also claim that my actions upon the earth are 100% mine to determine. I have individual choice. I make my decisions voluntarily, and for my own reasons. And I choose to act upon the universe, or not, based on my own notions, my own standards, my own morality, what *I* think is right & wrong, and should anyone attempt to assert control over the power over myself and how I choose to interact with the universe, then my first response is to destroy that person, utterly and completely, so that no trace of their existence remains upon the earth once I am finished with them.

My very existence is a threat to the parasite that survives only by their ability to manipulate and create illusion, as I understand fully that their useless existence is unnecessary and that we would all, collectively be better off without them. Perhaps there is a small worm within your character that perceives this threat, and is terrified of it, and maybe that is why you find me so objectionable.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Producers do not find me offensive. They understand EXACTLY what I mean, and they find my enunciation to be almost flawless. (They'll get perfection when they pay me, lol...) They understand that I am not really talking about "myself" per se, it's not really about "me"; it's about US. Who, and what we are, what those that are not "us" are like, and the nature of the relationship between those that produce and those that do not. I describe that relationship, that socially mandated, compulsory compassion as slavery, and when they think of it, they agree. The feelings of those that are not us are as insignificant as their approval. They are feigned postures anyways, designed to manipulate and play upon the sympathies of the producer's compassion, in order to derive illicit sustainable with a minimum effort. So in some respects your plaintive mumblings may be the voice of your "inner worm". I advise you to rid yourself of that worm, before it first eats you, and then becomes you.

I'm TIRED of hearing about all the downtrodden on the TV, and on the internet, when every "downtrodden" person I ever met came to that state as a result of continuing to do the same self-destructive behaviors that got them there. They always have cigarettes, cellphones, big screen TV's and beer. This retard earlier, the one that needs food stamps, can't work, but then again he can, etc... is typical of all these lazy, lying parasites. Where's this guy's parents? He has no friends? His neighbors will not lend a helping hand? He doesn't have an uncle that can help him out? He's managed to live for as long as he has and he has no one in his network that can help him out of a temporary situation? Every person that has ever known this person has rejected him, and it is obvious that there is a reason why.

Retard needs the government to "help" him because everyone that knows him understands that he cannot be helped. He doesn't want "help". He wants something for nothing. He wants it for free. He wants it without having to do anything other than lie, manipulate and whine. And he needs hoards of other retarded douchebags to drown out the voices of those that know his true nature, and dare to tell the truth for all to hear. Those days are coming to a close. When the words stop flying, the bullets will start. It would be a good idea to start paying attention to the words.